Opening Of 11th/12th/13th Chakras..Advanced Skills..

[Existential Essence]

I have been informed that these people do exist, some are apparently born with these higher chakras active, and inherently possess advanced spiritual skills such as teleportation, time travelling etc, etc,...

But do physically living examples of these "beacons of higher consciousness" exist, do they just work behind the scenes "pulling the strings" , or is just not true,...
                                         Because there is soild truth to this....
But surely the fabric of our reality would change if these people come to light...

If anyone on forum has active higher chakras let me know

[Existential Essence]

i guess no one on the board is aware of these people then....

A couple of ppl on this board have suggested that there are only  8 chakras.....


What about the other 5 higher ones then???

[James S]

Possibly no one has come forward as there is no mystery here, nor any special abilities associated.

The human body has literally thousands of chakras - some of which are only small pinpoints of energy.

The chakras you speak of here are secondary chakras that exist in the hands (10th & 11th), and below us - at the lower reaches of our aura (12th and sometimes considered also 13th). They're quite natural, everyone has them, and they're active in most people. Nothing strange or mystical about them. There are also secondary chakras on the insides of all of our joints, that's why they are areas favoured by Reiki and Shiatsu healing techniques.

The whole subject of chakras is unfortunately steeped in mysticism, and you'll get many various explanations of them, from the practical to the ridiculous. Look for the simplest explanations of what the chakras are and how they work. It will serve you much better.

Blessings,
James.

[halfphased]

Hello James S,

I was just wondering if you have come across any books or websites that explain chakras with a lot of the mumbo jumbo cut out?

Thanks,
-Nathan

[James S]

To be honest Nathan, not really.

I've found lots of web sites and read many books, and I've always ended up taking little bits from here and there and put them together into something that makes sense to me.

I can give you this one link that  just deals with the basics, but the information it gives is pretty solid and reliable:

http://www.starstuffs.com/chakras/root.html

Once you start getting into the more complex studies of the chakras, you kinda need to feel your way through it all, because some of the info out there is so over the top, the best you'll get from it is a really good laugh!:)

Blessings,
James.

[Existential Essence]

No actually there are 5 PRIMARY chakras that are based a few feet above the head ranging up.  

I will post a link that gives a full history of these chakras and there functions and abilitys, and i am very suprised that you were not aware of this stuff,.

There is a vast amount of information concerning this and they are very, very important, and powerful, and contain the keys to mastering past life skills and implementation of these skills, and it is through these very chakras that ur consciousness rises to higher levels.

I will post the link in a minute, and halfphased this is one the best chakra information sites in the world....

Peace

[Shuringi]

Maybe this is the site you are speaking about:
http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/hb/hhb-20.shtml

[taoita]

I wonder if this description could be what some Taoist texts have referred to as the sons of reflected light...can't locate references right now, but have read anecdotes of 'strange, people...very tall (in light)? who brought new ways to the east and west.  I will try to be more specific at another time.  Interesting topic thanks.

[James S]

No actually there are 5 PRIMARY chakras that are based a few feet above the head ranging up.  

I will post a link that gives a full history of these chakras and there functions and abilitys, and i am very suprised that you were not aware of this stuff,.

There is a vast amount of information concerning this and they are very, very important, and powerful, and contain the keys to mastering past life skills and implementation of these skills, and it is through these very chakras that ur consciousness rises to higher levels.

I will post the link in a minute, and halfphased this is one the best chakra information sites in the world....

Peace

Sorry E.E. but this information seems to go contrary to what has been studied and published about chakras for literally thousands of years.

The functions and locations of the chakras have already been very well established, tried and proven. Anyone who is trying to push some new idea of theirs that places great importance on chakras outside of the 7 primaries are likely to not only be trying to make money out of the gullible, they are also likely to do you more harm than good. I've a feeling you might be falling into the trap of "it must be true because I read it on the internet".

There have been many books published on the subject of chakras LONG before the internet was even dreamed of. I'd suggest building your foundation of chakra knowledge from a library before you start taking on what someone publishes on a web site.

There are 7 primary chakras from the base of the spine to the crown of the head. Each primary chakra is associated with an energy meridian within the physical body, so each primary chakra directly links to organs within the physical body, and affects emotional states.

Any other chakra outside of these primary energy centres is considered a secondary chakra. Though the chakras that are positioned both above and below our physical bodies are of importance as they connect us with both the energies of the Earth and the energies of the Divine, they are still secondary to the 7 main ones on our body, as they effectively feed these main centres.

Halfphased,
I said before there are no really good books on the subject, well, I say that because I haven't found one book that I would consider to be a good "bible" for the energy body. There are two however that work well together and contain a good ammount of info, both practical, theoretical and historical -
Wheels of Light by Rosalyn Bruyere and Wheels of Life by Anodea Judith.

Again I'd like to stress that there is nothing mystical about the chakras. There is nothing magical about awakening certain ones, as simple awareness of a chakra, be it visual or tactile, will open it up. The thing that is most important about the chakras though is BALANCE. To pay special attention to secondary chakras you must first have all the primary chakras active and healthy. Not to do so is a sure way to bring on illness both physical and emotional.

Blessings,
James.

[kenshin]

Again I'd like to stress that there is nothing mystical about the chakras. There is nothing magical about awakening certain ones, as simple awareness of a chakra, be it visual or tactile, will open it up. The thing that is most important about the chakras though is BALANCE. To pay special attention to secondary chakras you must first have all the primary chakras active and healthy. Not to do so is a sure way to bring on illness both physical and emotional.

Blessings,
James.

i wouldn't say that, i can activate whatever chakra is in the foot area at will, yet i defiantly haven't got all the primary chakra's active and healthy as such (throat one defiantly needs some work), yet i haven't had any emotional or physical problems

[Superluminal]

"To pay special attention to secondary chakras you must first have all the primary chakras active and healthy."

This is contrary to the teachings of Robert Bruce, so what's your basis?

"Not to do so is a sure way to bring on illness both physical and emotional."

Emotional problems I believe (although mainly only through what you're recommending - beginning with primary chakra work), but who's ever got any serious physical illness from energy/chakra work? If energy is healing, how can it cause illness? BTW, I point out I'm a newb.

[James S]

i wouldn't say that, i can activate whatever chakra is in the foot area at will, yet i defiantly haven't got all the primary chakra's active and healthy as such (throat one defiantly needs some work), yet i haven't had any emotional or physical problems

So if the main power supply to your house isn't working properly you'd still go plugging in more electrical devices?

The primary chakras are at the centre of our energy body. For the energy body to be healthy, all of these need to be healthy and balanced. I've seen the effects on both myself and others when it isn't. If you go working on secondary chakras with out first having all the primary centres all healthy, you're putting yourself out of balance. This is when dis-ease and illness tend to creep in.

For example, working with only the upper chakras and ignoring the lower can lead to headaches, dizzyness, lightheadedness, stress and anxiety through too much mental activity. The lower chakras are needed to help ground the energies, effectively bringing your mental processes back down to where you are more at peace and more objective.

Too much energy in the lower chakras with the upper chakras blocked can lead to arguments, irrational behaviour, anger, stubbornness, addictions. The more primal toughts and emotions are held in the lower three chakras, and if the energy is not allowed to flow evenly through the whole system, our thoughts and desires can become more animalistic.

Superluminal,

This is contrary to the teachings of Robert Bruce, so what's your basis?

No it's not. New Energy Ways describes energy flowing through all of the primary energy centres. That's central to the full body circuit exercises.
Robert Bruce points out the value in using not just the primary, but also the secondary energy circuits, but not one at the exclusion of the other.

My basis is 8 years study of the chakras, training in Reiki and crystal healing techniques, and as mentioned before, experiencing for myself what happens when the energy body is out of balance, both in myself, and in people that I've performed crystal healings on.

Emotional problems I believe (although mainly only through what you're recommending - beginning with primary chakra work), but who's ever got any serious physical illness from energy/chakra work? If energy is healing, how can it cause illness? BTW, I point out I'm a newb.

It's the lack of energy in places that can cause the illness.
Think of a farm with irrigation channels running through vegetable crops. If one or more of those channels gets blocked, you'll have some rows of plants dying because of lack of water, and you'll also get others dying because of too much water. Our chakras can be the same. Too much energy in the base chakra for example, can lead to anger and violent tendancies. Not enough and you get the mental stress problems I mentioned earlier.

It's the energy body that is where all dis-ease, and all healing starts.
We're all familiar now days the kind of illnesses that can be brought on by stress. Any negative emotion if left unchecked can lead to physical illness because of the strain those emotions put on the physical body.

Keeping the primary chakras in balance is not only something that's good for your health and wellbeing, it's common sense thinking. Nature is all about balance. We're part of nature.

Blessings,
James.

[Superluminal]

Now you're opposing Mr. Bruce on 2 issues.

"So if the main power supply to your house isn't working properly you'd still go plugging in more electrical devices?"

This is a flawed analogy. According to NEW, the primary chakras don't supply the energy body with most of it's energy, the 3 main energy storage centers do. (sub-naval, sub-heart, sub-brow)

As for the other thing, what you're saying is clearly contrary to what Mr. Bruce teaches through NEW. Let's compare quotes:

"To pay special attention to secondary chakras you must first have all the primary chakras active and healthy. Not to do so is a sure way to bring on illness both physical and emotional." - James S

Robert Bruce in NEW Online (Pg. 2 - The Energy Body)

"The primary energy centres and their higher functions cannot properly be developed or used (barring accident or natural ability), until their underlying energy support structures have been developed to allow this. If attempts are made to develop and use the higher centres first, a great deal of time must be spent waiting for these support structures to develop in response to the new demands being placed upon them. The lower energetic circuitry will eventually develop in response to higher energetic demands but this will happen very slowly, often requiring many years of waiting time.

Early bioenergetic development work, especially involving primary energy centres, causes some pretty major disruptions and realignments to occur within the existing structure of the energy body. New energy pathways are formed and old or blocked ones are redefined and cleared. This happens in response to the greater demands placed upon support structures, through the changed requirements and energy demands of the higher primary centres. Until these support structures develop to the point where they can meet this greater demand, energy can be taken from the storage areas of the energy body. This can drain the bio-energetic aspect of the etheric body, and can even cause the physical body itself to become energetically depleted; which can cause physical tiredness.

Primary energy centre work should never be undertaken too vigorously, or at too early a stage of development. To avoid most potential problems, and before any primary centres are worked upon, supporting structures need to be developed, nurtured and conditioned to handle a greater flow of energy.

The first step in developing the energy body is to stimulate and clear individual secondary energy centres, energy exchange port clusters and connecting energy pathways. While this process may sound laborious, it yields great developmental rewards in the long term. Once this process is underway, energy will begin flowing more freely and strongly throughout the energy body. This alone promotes faster and healthier development in every aspect of the energy body, while also empowering the immune system and other self-healing processes of the physical body."

[daem0n]

i prefer balance between working on primary and secondary centers

when i worked on secondary centers all existing problems in primary ones amplified, making them more noticeable if not downright disturbing
when focusing on primary chakras and less on secondary ones i have less energy available and the correction was longer, i find this quite valuable at times with day-to-day living

when everything is balanced, well, it's just kewl

http://au.msnusers.com/AuntClairsParlorSpiritualReadingRoom
more on various chakras

it depends what suits you
cheers

[James S]

Ok Superluminal, Whatever.

Maybey what I've said isn't the case in every condition. There really are no hard and fast truths out there, but there are general guidelines from common observations by many people over a long time.

I'm sharing my experiences here, I'm not talking from books I've read. What I've said has for me been proven true for every case I've had to personally deal with, and it has also been true for the two Reiki masters that I've studied with.

Remember, Robert Bruce is just one of many authors on the subject, and you will find many that dissagree with his views.

So, instead of debating with me because you think Robert Bruce is right and I'm wrong, why don't you do what I've done, study the chakras, do some healing courses, practice on other people and most importantly experience how it all work for yourself!

Blessings,
James.

[star]

I met a guy from the net who was rather advanced and I asked if he could help me find my chakras.

We started a chat session on Yahoo Instant Messenger, and he  cleared some blockages, then told me that my chakra's disregarding my base was rather weak and empty.

He asked if I exercise (- I guess exercise effects that particular chakra?)

then he filled my chakra's and  he called it *balancing the Psyche*  whatever you call it when he finished filling my chakras I had an incredible feeling of peace and calm.

Which helped because just after that my dad ran into the room and started screaming at me and shtuff, god I love my daddy! (sarcasm)

annnywaay, I can't wait till I get to the point where I can fill and balance my chakras on my own! Just being able to be calm and cool headed in one of my dad's scream fests is enough to want to scarf down chakra related knowledge.

BTW-> Thx for the idea James for grounding I will try it.

[NickJW]

A bunch of mystic hooha, there is no proof that these other chakra's really exist, as for the time travel and such, it can be done in the astral.
I have found that using Frank's 4FoC model makes things much more logical than without the mystic stuff that is really just all assumptions, if chakra's do exist there is most likely only 7 and they are most liekly all connected to the etheric body not floating off elsewhere.

[James S]

NickJW,

What on earth has Munroe's Focus models got to do with this subject of chakras?

Not everything here is about astral projection and astral phasing.

The study of chakras has been around thousands of years longer than Munroe's phasing methods, and they've been studied independently by many different cultures. Working with the chakras more commonly relate to practices that have nothing to do with astral projection.

You might as well be telling us that you don't believe in guitars because you play a flute!

If you don't want to learn about chakras, fine. Don't. Nobody says you have to.
Just don't come in and start rubbishing topics you clearly know very little about.

[Ybom]

What on earth has Munroe's Focus models got to do with this subject of chakras?

No James, no. He is talking about Frank's model, which is based on Monroe's, (not Munroe) model.

[daem0n]

u is not that far from o on the keyboard, the point was clear enough anyway
i'm just ticked off right now, return to personal problem solving (shuffle shuffle)

[James S]

Hehehe...oops.  

Well, never let it be said that I'll let bad spelling get in the way of a good rant.

[NickJW]

I do believe in the chakras and the etheric body, but I just do not see how there is any real evidence of these other chakras existing, I believe in the first 7 but not the out of body ones.

[MiddleWay]

I do believe in the chakras and the etheric body, but I just do not see how there is any real evidence of these other chakras existing, I believe in the first 7 but not the out of body ones.

Practice clairvoyance and perhaps you'll see them for yourself. I can say I have seen the 8th above the crown, but anything over that I wouldn't know.

[Existential Essence]

James its logical that the secondary groundwork is developed before the primary for obvious reasons..

And I suppose you are right the higher chakras 9 - 13, are not primary but are xtremley important for growth,,

And dont patronise me with the "believe what u read on the net" thing, Pal......

[James S]

And dont patronise me with the "believe what u read on the net" thing, Pal......

Oh, allright, if you insist.

It does make one wonder though, when your first post speaks of higher chakras, teleportation and time travel, where such ideas come from.

I'll just reinforce MiddleWay's comments. The best thing you can do is learn to see the chakras for yourself.

Then you can find out what they can do by working with them rather than just reading about them.

Blessings,
James.