Astral Projection Retrievals

[David Warner]

Ap Friends,

A friend of mine on AP executes retrievals all the time while having the oobe. I would like to know a few thing about this a little more.

1. How many others here at AP retrieve?
2. Do you still retrieve murderers that were once alive physically?
3. When you retrieve, can you give me a idea of the experience.

My friend has given me some excellent insight on this, but its always good to have others join in and share their experiences.

I know one of the authors Bruce Moen has written about this and I plan to read up on.

Please advise.

Tvos

[David Warner]

Ap Friends,

again.. no response on this?

Had my first retrieval this last week.. A beautiful experience indeed. The helpers sent me a thank you of music movement from the karate kid ii.

tvos

[catmeow]

Nope, can't say I know much about it, but I've read some of Bruce Moen's books and would recommend them.  He's from Bob Monroe's school but Moen's books are more engagingly written.

catmeow

[Dagalvyi]

Osiyo Voice!
   It was a shock to see you in this forum, a nice one. I am glad to see that you are still hard at it and studying into much more.
   Please be very careful about the entities you are planning meeting. As you know once the soul has passed over to the spiritual it becomes part of the power that drove it in the physical. In other words the bad souls become more negative and are a part of the lower level planes they dwell in. The mere thought of reaching them will put you into a lower plane.
   Don't reach for murders. Seek out the saints. Every aspect of your adventures affect your soul in one way or another. Keep it all positive. This is detrimental for your spiritual growth.

[David Warner]

Catmeow,

Yes, that's what I've heard of Bruce Moen's work. I plan to further my study and practice with this.

Thank You,

Tvos

[LatinasAreCute]

What on earth is retrieval??? You envoke a dead person? I'm new here and this is the first time I have heard of that word

[Mendel]

Retrievals are an experience by a living person, projecting
or in an altered state of conscious, where they help one or
more souls either become aware of spirit helpers nearby or they
transport the soul to a higher vibration or a different plane
altogether.
 
The idea is that helpers in spirit are not always able to
lower their vibrations sufficiently to become noticeable
to a "stuck" soul - such as one who has recently passed and
still ties itself to the Earth plane. The energy of a living person in the
astral is easily visible, on the other hand. There is
certainly variation is how much meddling a retriever does. It
can be sufficient in many instances to simply stand in front of
the helper so that when the soul looks at you, they will suddenly
recognize the helper behind you.

All of my retrieval experiences indicate this is an important service
and there should be no bias towards people who were evil or good in their lifetime. Who are we to judge?

[David Warner]

is there a way that i can upload the audio journal of this? i started dictating all my experiences via mp3 format.

tvos

[David Warner]

Major Tom,

I can see the pro and con's to recording my journals vs. writing them out. It still takes much discipline to write in sequence the exp, then translate to audio journal.

In a nutshell, I was out of body at my mom/dads in front of their house and decided to float down the street exploring. I noticed a few guys at this house across from my parents. They were walking from the front part of the house around the side of the house. There was a truck parked in the driveway and this one guy who was following the others to the back I asked if I could have a moment with him.

When conversing with this gentleman, I asked if he was aware of his environment and geographic location. Rather than using the old approach I've executed in the past "Did you realize your dead", I figure that it would be easier to ask questions and gently lead in with the physical and the astral worlds in explanation.

This guy thought I was bothering him but he did take a intrest. I remember asking for his hand and explaining that I could help him raise his awareness to a higher consciousness. Nothing happened when I took his hand (of course) so I decided to continue my adventure down the street. I did bump into two girls (mid 20's and were good looking). I expressed the same intent to this girls, and they just laughed, giggling walking away. The great feat here was I didn't attack them sexually! One giant step for Tvos..:)

As I continued down the street, the guy who I first talked with about helping him and raising his awareness approached me and with questions. I explained to him the difference between the physical and the astral world. At the time, I said its possible that you might have passed from the physical to the astral and that I might be able to assist you with your journey. Still a little skeptic he was, I tried demonstrating by floating on my back, curled up in a ball, spinning around in circles. My thought and belief at that moment was to convince him of my levitation and that he would start to realize and understand my truth.

About then, I could remember other people starting to surround me, watching what I was exercising. From that moment on, I heard a music piece movement from the soundtrack "Karate Kid II" . Its one of my favorite music passages.

A friend of mine "Mendel" explained that its possible that the music was a gesture of appreciation from Higher Helpers for assisting with this retrieval.

Tvos

[Unison]

thats so freaking cool. I would like to help people do that too. Especially to some cool fighting music.. We could train like van damme and "FIGHT TO SURVIVE... KUMATE KUMATE"  hahahhaahah. Soo cool dude I dont know anything about this. Keep us posted about this stuff. It might be the first things I try to accomplish when im able to project.

[Ben K]

Dont retrievals take place on the lower "levels" of reality? Like attracts like, so until you are ready to go on your first conscious retrieval with a guide i would say it was just an f2 experience or whatever.

not trying to doubt your experience at all just doubting if it was a retrieval. most of the ones ive read about are where you actually go to the "hell" constructs and so on. I dont think many people are trapped in your grandmas neighborhood.

Regardless it was a good experience

[David Warner]

Ben,

I do question this but from when I was talking with Mendel it made perfectly clear of the experience. When I did project I was close to the RTZ during the experience. So hence, I would think RTZ would be considered our "hells" that we make it out to be.

Also, I could be wrong too - still need to read up on this Bruce Moen material. Just because the author engraves something in stone, there are other reality possibilities too that he/she has not yet disclosed or even discovered.

Tvos

[Major Tom]

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[Ben K]

Interesting...I assumed retrievals were only done from the more hurtful and terrorizing constructs.

A very cool post either way

[David Warner]

Major Tom,

Mendel mentioned to me which makes perfect sense. When you are out in the astral and you come up to someone. Ask them for their hand, or put your arms around them. As long you've permission and then think/feel or the most beautiful inspiring thought. It could be a song, your beautiful wife, God, love and you'll find yourself transcending to the higher levels.

I've almost done this in the previous experiences but need more work.

Something to shoot for!

Tvos

[Ben K]

Interesting...I assumed retrievals were only done from the more hurtful and terrorizing constructs.

Why, you think you and I don't need "retrieving"?

I could use some. Any volunteers to take me to heights not experienced before?

My retreival comes in mushroom form  

[David Warner]

Ben K,

Are you that one who keeps posting about lsd, mushrooms, and hullingenics? I would think an astral projection experience would conquer that method.

Tvos

[Ben K]

a psychedelic experience and a oobe/astral experience are two completely different things. i agree with you that the psychedelic experience is nowhere near as insightful as an oobe but thats sorta like saying apples are better than grapes.

Also, I dont think we here on earth need retrieval to some higher plane of existence or whatever. We chose to live a life for a purpose. I would think its those people who go through life and cant seem to shake off the objective left-overs that would need the "belief-adjustment".

[David Warner]

Ben K,

I actually agree with you on this, but it also depends on what belief system has them wrapped up in their world if they can't think outside of the box.

If someone follows God,Christ,Buddha,Alah etc doesn't mean they are on the wrong path or to be slammed for their belief. If they can't think beyond life after death or in their present, doesn't mean they are wrong too. Somehow, we are the chosen ones because of our curiosity and drive.

When I was younger I took LSD about 2times and realized the effect and power it had. I really didn't pursue beyond that and stuck with smoking marijuana/beer every blue moon. But I do think if one exercises illegal drugs and its a part of their lifestyle, baring in mind they do not have any health/mental issues and use it for recreation the only person they are hurting is their self.

Tvos