Concious Astral Verification for Everyone.

[David Warner]

Greatoutdoors,

I think that anytime when you try to convince people about this reality as a true validation its going to draw skepticism no matter what. I know that I draw on Robert Bruce's statement, but I highly agree that the individual really has to set out and experience this first hand. It would be awesome if science could obtain proof of astral projection and publish this.

As for science tapping into the physical brain and producing the astral projection. I already believe that in order for us to have the experience we must manually tap the brain and then the oobe allows us a bridge to our higher consciousness. If science was able to come up with a sure method, a electrodes on the head, magic pill, or sound/video that triggers the oobe every time in everyone. Imagine how easy it would be and how we could further our studies for scientific proof.

For now, my experiences/experiments that I conduct will hopefully play a important role for our community and worldwide.

I've never ever tried astral projecting while standing up. I've always been in the bed ready to fall asleep, or awaking then projecting immediately.

How did this happen?

Tvos

[greatoutdoors]

Tvos, I can't explain much of the "how" because it was not voluntary. But I was standing by a mirror looking at my face and feeling just a bit disgusted that my body wasn't holding up like it should. Then, all at once "I" was behind me and watching myself looking in the mirror. "I" had no physical body (I realized this instantly) but was just a point of awareness. "I" said "It's just a biological machine." -- as if to say "Well, what do you expect?"

About that time it began to really sink in that I was quite literally beside myself.    I had about enough time to think        and I was back in my body. That experience showed me it can be done, I have done it, I can do it again! That last is the hard part!  

[David Warner]

Greatoutdoors,

I was able to project again today and verify a card. But unfortunately, the card that I verified didn't match the physical card. Not to say that its a waste of time, but I might be thinking of going the route of what you suggested - symbols, lines, circles.

The impressive thing about what I was able to do today is.

1. Know my intent and objective
2. The card experiment
3. Getting outside of the house and hearing the karate kid
  orchestration movement.
4. Recall on the scene from the Field Of Dreams where Ray asks
  his dad would you play catch. That right there sent the
  vibes through my body. I could feel them tingle - it rocked!
5. Transcended like a rocket upward and there was a void of
  gray haziness, filter with purple, blue and darkness.
6. After that, WOW! just f(*&*(k WOW!!  - excuse my tongue.

7. There was a brief moment of darkness and then I was hovering
above a futuristic city/landscape. Kinda of reminded a little
bit like the the cities you would see in star wars movies. There
were small vehicals in the air whizzing by and beautiful
maganificiant structured pyramid shaped building. I could also see
energy bursts in the air of color.

I know there was more but very difficult to describe. During
this level that I managed to obtain it was nightime and when I
first started out in my experience it was day.

I've been seeing within myself my goals and objectives bleeding from my physical life over into the astral. For a change, its been nice and to reach that higher plane level and conduct meaningfull experiments.
Tvos

[greatoutdoors]

Tvos,

Sounds like a great dream! And there is nothing wrong with having fun along with trying to find that reproduceable proof.  

[David Warner]

Greatoutdoors,

I don't know if I mentioned this but the experience took place from a conscious wake state to trance exit. Definitely not a dream!

It has been a few weeks now since no experiences have come across my plate due to last weeks vacation, being on the road, sight seeing blah blah.. a lot of energy. Although, I've had some flying dreams where I knew that I was flying but just couldn't piece the idea of "awake and snap out of this dream to the astral".

Tvos

[oilfieldpilot]

Howdy Gang!

Putting ALL the terminology aside: AP/OOB/LD/Phasing....ETC

since there is and will Always remain Debate about the real definitions of the above:

Has ANYONE considered looking at the 20+ Years of Scientific Research and Experiments the Stephen LaBerge has conducted at Stanford U. Sleep Labs???

Anyone? ...anyone...any...one...

Yes, his research is in the interest of LD....BUT again, many feel/argue OOBs are a Form on LD...etc etc...but LaBerge has a concrete definition for REM sleep, and that is what he basis his studies on. LD can occur in All sleep stages, but he focuses on REM, since it  is the most active time for dreaming and dream recall, etc.

From MY personal experience, I have had OOBs while IN and LD...its really cool too

Anyway, if anyone is interested in more discussion about LaBerge's tests, etc...we could open up a whole new can of gummi worms to play with

I am one of his students now too

until then,
Happy OOB and Hang Lucid

ofp

[David Warner]

Oilfieldpilot,

The issue with Stephen is that he can't go any further. He classifies the  oobe/phasing/ap just lucid dreams brought on by REM. Its good to see someone at work on the outside doing this , but the problem is that he can't explain the verifications of experiments that the government uses for RV, astral projection, future clairvoyant events that have been nailed to the "T".  What about children who are 5yrs old never touched the piano and are performing at professional levels Bach virtuoso pieces.  Hmm, reincarnation maybe..:)

I posted a topic on this woman Pam Reynolds who's brain activity, blood, and heart completely stopped. She had a giant basilar artery aneurysm in her brain.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=175579&highlight=#175579

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html

Now, tell me this all has to deal with REM that Stephen states. Its obvious the comparisons are close related between her NDE and OOBE that is brought on thru trance, lucid dreaming, phasing.. what ever method is preferred for projecting.

Just some food for thought..:)

Tvos

[oilfieldpilot]

Hi TVOS!!

Okay, you MISSED My Point ENTIRELY!
as I knew someone would; that was WHY I attempted to put ALL of our fancy little terms Aside.

The Topic here, at least to Me, is regarding, "HOW do we Know it is REAL???"

Okay, so What is "IT"?

My interpretation: LD falls into the Whole picture of our Wider (wilder) reality.
AND just so happens that Someone HAS indeed PROVEN 'IT' is Real. and the "IT" in this case just happens to be LD.


THAT'S ALL!!!

-And Nooooo, LaBerge, with early works, has indeed been thought to ONLY THINK "IT" All happens in different stages of LD.
BUt here we are back to semantics: hence the word: D-R-E-A-M

Dream is a very Broad term.
This is what I say to myself regarding MY experiences:
OK, when I Remote View: yes, i get near 100% accuracy on my projects.
When I field or map dowse: for objects, criminals, whatever...accuracy is still way above 90% (near 100 when in the field)
When I do phasing exercises; multiple projects, etc.
When I am Flying, and my Intuition kicks in and says Land Now or you're gonna Die....
Obviously I am experiencing different states of consciousness; my brainwaves are at least in Alpha, etc.
So, what is my answer to How I can do these things? And I KNOW I am awake and Not asleep and Not dreaming?

Well...back up. ..No, I am Not asleep, and therefore I am Not "dreaming" in the sense that we have all accepted the term.
BUT, who is to say that I am NOT indeed tapping into a source in full consciousness, that is typical in the "dream" state?

It all goes back to the Definition we think "Dream" means. Hence is a serious misnomer.
We don't think we are dreaming in Waking state...Just because that is how we have broadly defined "dreaming"...

It can just be a damn big 'ol play on words!

SO, Since you broached the subject, here are some excerpts from the TLI forum; we have been discussing this recently:

QUOTE from an MD who is one of our LDer's: who is also quoting LaBerge

""""Furthermore, OBEs are quite plainly different from lucid dreams in that during a typical OBE the experient is convinced that the OBE is a real event happening in the physical world and
not a dream, unlike a lucid dream, in which by definition the dreamer is certain that the event is a dream."

What the article suggests is that OBE is a kind of dream (and also that every dream is a kind of OBE!), but not a lucid dream. Once you know you're dreaming, however, it's lucid, and no longer an OBE. All of this is playing with words, certainly, but I just wanted to clarify the definitions a bit.

Just a word on semantics, regarding all of the experiences you mention, asking how can they be LDs: Remember, no experience can be an LD unless 1)you are asleep, 2)you are dreaming, and 3)you know you're dreaming. You have to have all three going.

So, if you are not asleep, it can't be an LD; if you are asleep, but happen to believe you're OOB, it also can't be an LD. In the latter case, however, it could be a dream that's not recognized as such.

There's a lot of material on the forum already on OBE's and other states, and a good article comparing OBE and dreams on the Lucidity Institute website, www.lucidity.com. See:

Varieties of Lucid Dreaming Experience
Stephen LaBerge * and Donald J. DeGracia """
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-ofp