Still in the same spot for about year now

[TheDarkApprentice]

Ive been relativly inactive in the field of energy work and obes for about 6 months now. Ive been practicing on and off and have started to get back in to the whole thing in this past week.

Anyways, I still have been able to achieve a full fledged OBE. Last night i attempted an OBE, and got to the same state that I usually get too. The state of paralysis and heavy vibrations. Although its very easy for me to get to this state, its difficult to get to the next. Like whenever im in this state and try to project, my heart starts pounding and it becomes really difficult to breathe. Well, this is only when i try to project, as i can just simply rest in this state as I do somethimes.

But ya, I still havent been able to project. Ive tried the Rope technicque and other various ones, but i still cant break the barrier.

I sort of did a while back ago. I had a partial OBE. Where I my body was violently shaking and they were the heavest vibrations ive ever felt, but i ended up gaining astral sight and i could see through my closed eyes and everything was purple. It was really cool, but i could project. And after that attempt, my voice was all messed up and my neck felt all crackly when i pushed against it. Some ppl suggested that I had a panic attack. Its possible, but who knows.

But I never think about that when I attempt to OBE and I have no fears whatsoever. I may have did back then, but definitly not now. And I know ive been out of everything for a while, but its frustrating to be able to pick up where i left off easily but still not be able to project

Lol Any suggestions? Oh and yes, i know i need to keep trying and not try so hard lol

[Stookie]

I'm kind of in the same boat. I went through a period that lasted about a week where I would experience the heavy vibrations and the pounding heart. I had experienced it many times, and always got very nervous and excited when it happened and I wouldn't OBE. But after several days of it, one night it got super intense and I floated up. Since then, I've only experienced the vibes and pounding heart a few times, all right after the OBE. I still get vibes sometimes, but the heart thing has stopped completely.

My guess is, from reading info on energy work, is that new energy pathways were opened from all the OBE work I had been doing, and like a muscle, over time it gets stronger and the new sensations go away. I read on Robert Bruce's site that the pounding heart sensations are typical in early stages of OBE development.

I know you don't want to hear it, but I say: Keep doing what your doing, do your best not to get frustrated, and keep an open mind. You seem to be going in the right direction.

[Telos]

Why not stop doing energy work and do something else!

Although it may seem like energy work "works" for some people, perhaps it is something else that is actually independent from energy work, and energy work is only associated with it by accident? It's worth knowing that energy work, in its current form, does not quite give even its most ardent practiitioners full control over having an OBE.

[David Warner]

TheDarkApprentice and Stookie,

From my own experiences, usually when I recognize the trance state and when the vibes hit I'm out and projected. I will actually feel myself roll around like a log, spin around crunched position and continue this method until I know certain I'm in the trance and the vibes are present. For me, its about feel. Do you think that maybe you are taking too long during the vibes and focusing on the block?

I've never done any energy work, serious in-depth meditation and I question the merit if I should. I know that meditation can help me along the way physically and astrally.  

My suggestion is figure out your exit. Could it be just flying away from the body, rolling on the floor, visualization etc.. It sounds like your definitely getting to the trance state, its just in the exit that need perfecting.

Tvos

[jay dawg]

ahh so thats why my heart doesnt feel like its going to explode anymore? it used to feel so strong and fast but not anymore. i get light vibes sometimes. onces i felt amazingly strong electricity vibes, but from a WBTB. it was almost painful. man i wish i was in your shoes!

[TheDarkApprentice]

Actually NEW is accociated with OBE and Astral experiences from the last time I checked. Like for me, i use the basics of NEW to get me into that trance state. I guess different things work for different people.

I mignt be taking to long on the vibes. I mean i can hit that state in about 5-15min. And when im in it, i usually try to project a few min or so after im in that state. But I know im on the right track. It just frusterating not to get to the next level. But its like that for alot of people out there. And im not going to give up either

[Stookie]

I went to Robert Bruce's site because I kept experiencing this "pounding heart" and no one here could help me with what it was or what I should do. It came from Monroe Gateway tapes, not from doing NEW. It was there that he explained it's common with early OBE practice and normally goes away soon after.

I don't do NEW religiously (really, much at all), but if I do exercises occasionally throughout the day, I'm more likely to have better OBE experiences at night. I think mostly it's because NEW makes me more aware of myself and my body and subtle sensations, and improves my concentration, which in turn helps for OBE. And although I don't have proof, I do believe that Chakras develop through many types of spiritual practices, be it meditation or AP, which could only be a good thing whether it helps with actual OBE or not.

Thanks for the tips TVOS. I'm going to work on that rolling technique for a while and see how that works out.

[pmlonline]

I think the reason why one method works for some and other methods work better for others is due to the mental conditioning.  What a being believes in has everything to do with what they can do.  I mean believing down to your very core being.  That's why it is so important to always think positive, as over the years those thoughts migrate down within your being.  That is where the power comes from.  So, one obe technique may work wonders for one person but may be the worst technique for another.

TheDarkApprentice, I think you are doing great and clearing up the energy passages.  If you keep it up then eventually the unusual energy effects will change and even go away.  While in that state of high vibration, have you tried separating from the concrete mind?  That concrete mind is that part of our lower mind.  When I say serparate, I simply mean "do not link with the physical brain / physical thoughts."  I do NOT mean move your astral head away from your physical head.  The concrete mind can bind a person to the flesh.  I am sure you know when your consciousness separates from concrete thoughts.  You will be in a state of being and knowing rather than a state of concrete thoughts.  There are many levels of a state of being.  So I am not suggesting that you must be in a state of enlightenment and "know all things."  This may not be a get quick results tip, but I think it could help.

IMHO energy work is a great approach.  In fact, I cannot imagine anyone not benefiting from it if they don't give up and keep up the positive thoughts.

Keep up the great work!
Paul

[David Warner]

TheDarkApprentice and Stookie,

You are definitely following the right direction, but just need to take it one step further. Some more inside information about me that has helped me progress with astral projection.

Last March 2005 I started up with astral projection and taking it serious. I had a few spontaneous projections and questioned why did this take place? Why did I get sucked back into this for being away so long?

I do believe for all the right reasons it was time and I knew eventually one day it would return. The conditions, emotions, lifestyle of living and changes that have gone on in the past brought me back to this goal of AP. I also looked deep within myself and asked what has "really changed" and why am I projecting like I once did?

The mere fact is that I started to exercise, jogging 1.25 miles a day, eating better foods, removing the candy/fast food. Also, prior to that I was a social drinker and that was eliminated as well. When I was younger, I didn't drink alcohol socially and I was in good perfect health.

It started to make sense of the blockages that prevented me from projecting and getting back up to par with this energy. I guess the reason why I am telling you this is because "YOU" are the only one to figure out "WHY" you can't go the distance with astral projection. My example mentioned above is "WHY" I couldn't achieve what I am gaining success at today and I am going the distance.

Sometimes you need to dig a little deeper to find out the truth. Try using meditative music, brain wave generator, exercise, eating healthier foods, procrastination. I believe its all linked to our blockages and preventing by going the distance.

Tvos

[TheDarkApprentice]

Thanks for the replies.

The voice of silence, yes that could very well be a slight problem. I eat fast food 5 days a week and have never ate healthy. Yet i have a very high metabolism and am not fat at all, i think that since i know i can eat anything that i want, that i dont notice the other effects eating unhealthy can do for you.

Pm, But its hard to seperate your state of conciousness from your mind when its hard to breathe and you have to focus on being able to breate and focusing to OBE. So i guess i need to figure out how to deal with my breathing problems or its gonna be a while before i have an OBE.

[Stookie]

TVOS

I understand what you're saying. I've spent years attempting, but something woke up in me earlier this year, and I've been at it diligently ever since.

HOWEVER,

What you've been saying about diet and exercise has been heavy on my mind recently. I eat fairly healthy, and I exercise-bike 30 minutes a day. I'd say my two main downfalls are: Alcohol and Caffeine. I like my coffee in the morning, and I like to have a beer or two when I get home from work sometimes. Now I don't think this has hampered my progress because this has been my pattern BEFORE my "re-start", and I've been extremely happy and satisfied with my results so far. But I do wonder, If I stopped those things (at least alcohol), would my results get better? I guess there's only one way to find out...

Also, I've been thinking about taking one of the Gateway tracks and mix some music in the background. I'll try that this weekend.

[David Warner]

TheDarkApprentice,

When I was younger I had a very high metabolism too and still do. But once you get into the game of a job that you sit on your butt all day fixing computers, solving network problems blah blah it catches up to you. Anyways, I think the eating of healthy foods is a good reflection of positive energy and you feel better. There are times that I might eat junk food for a week or order out and not eat from home. I feel that negative energy and it just doesn't feel right!!   -- I enjoy cooking, spending time in the kitchen cooking and trying new ideas for meals... I tell ya you can impress a lot of ladies if you know how to cook better then them..:)


Stookie,

For me it was giving it up for awhile with alcohol socially. Trying to get my focus back, feel a little better and see if it makes a difference. I am not saying that drinking alcohol is bad and you won't project. I do believe that if you drink before going to bed the likely hood is falling asleep or passing out which = no conscious projection. I will drink again in the future, but I might have a different approach. Right now, I am having the time of my life not drinking alcohol. Its so totally different!!

Here's a interesting projection experience I will share and don't laugh..:)
This was before I was even into astral projection and didn't even know it existed. One night, I came home and got loaded on beer. I was downstairs in the basement passed out on the couch. Well, I had the OOBE and thought that I was traveling upstairs to the bathroom. I made it to the bathroom, ready to hit the toilet and was shot back to the physical body. Not realizing, I finally got up physically and started urinating on the table and it was streaming all over the floor...

My brother came downstairs at that time (perfect timing) and noticed what I was doing and asked "Tvos" what the hell. I told my brother to close the door and had to finish going to bathroom. My brother took care of the mess and realized that I had a little too many brew-ski's..:)

But in honesty, if I didn't start projecting I would have dismissed that whole experiences as a dream.... its also a great story to tell people at a party.. kinda of like a ice breaker to lead into out of body experience - then when people open up about their experiences you know who to talk with and can explore.

Anyways, back to the whole diet thing.. sorry, got off on the tangent. I think more a less if you were to drink on the nights that you didn't want to project that's fine. But if you are serious about it and want full conscious control then don't drink.  I can tell a different in myself being away almost 10 months now from the bottle....

Tvos

[BillionNamesofGod]

I don't drink, don't really have fast foods, but don't really exercise!

still no luck with NEW - still don't know how to phase !

Did someone say you can  download all the monroe tapes for free?

help!

[Stookie]

TVOS

That's a funny story. It reminds me of one of my cousins. He experiences "night terrors" during times of high stress. He'll get up in the middle of sleep and walk around the house and talk to people that aren't there, and be in a whole different environment. He'll pee in all areas of the house.  Once he got my aunt out of bed and took her into the basement which he said was "the beach", and they went wading along the shore in the sand (he's never been to the ocean in his life). She said he was kicking his feet like he was kicking up sand and water.

Anyways, I don't drink every day, and don't notice much difference on days I do and days I don't. But I rarely go more than a couple days without a drink. And I never have any more than two, and of course, never before I try to OBE. (I feel like I'm making excuses now.) I guess a good test would be to try NO alcohol for 2 weeks and see what happens. Now, which two weeks should it be?...

Did someone say you can download all the monroe tapes for free?

No. To do so would be illegal.

[David Warner]

Stookie,

Try going for 10 months w/o a drink. Either way, there will be the days you'll be able to project or not. But I do think it impairs the ability to project fluently. Maybe your cousin is just marking territory..:)  j/k

Tvos

[knightlight]

I agree that alcohol impairs OBE/phasing heavily.  With that said I have had my most vivid experiences after drinking alot and having spontaneous experiences while asleep.  I am an admitted alcoholic (i know I know... 12 steps...     ) and I believe my practice has been impaired and prolonged for way longer than necessary due to my dependence on the bottle.

[David Warner]

Knightlight,

There's nothing wrong to admitting your a alcoholic. At least you recognize it and are doing something about it. Most people just fluff it off, pretend everything is fine but in actuality are using it as a reflective shield against their problems and the world. I wish you all success!

I'm thankful that I've never been in the boat to addiction. Habit of coming home, relaxing with a few brews and spinning that in that routine for ages.. its actually nice to have my head clear, wake up w/o the hang over and face the world.... plus, the extra bonus is projecting with a clear mind.. it rocks!!!

tvos

[jay dawg]

getting drunk once a day before bed, or maybe just on the weekends couldnt possibly be a bad thing, can it? i cant wait to start....(6 more months!!)

[David Warner]

Jay Dawg,

No getting drunk before bed doesn't matter, but that's only if you want to project..:)

All I am saying is this.. Any kinda of drug that makes you sleepy, alters your consciousness can hinder the projection. Being able to shift your consciousness from lower to higher. Recognizing the trance state is hard enough let alone with the aid of a few beers before bed. To me it would just put me into a nice sleep.

Tvos

[jay dawg]

ive been getting into the trance state in about 30 minutes lately. (i think, not like i could tell how long its been). i basically feel vibrations andfeel heavier. it feels like my awareness has just woken up from a dream or like im not sure whats going on. this is the trance state right? this is when i usually get the urge to just fall asleep and forget it, but at the same time this must be it!? i hear the rope technique is excellent at this point. cant wait to successfully project consciously!

[BillionNamesofGod]

ive been getting into the trance state in about 30 minutes lately. (i think, not like i could tell how long its been). i basically feel vibrations andfeel heavier. it feels like my awareness has just woken up from a dream or like im not sure whats going on. this is the trance state right? this is when i usually get the urge to just fall asleep and forget it, but at the same time this must be it!? i hear the rope technique is excellent at this point. cant wait to successfully project consciously!

It would be good if people could input here,  quite often I fall asleep, on the sofa, while watching TV, surely I must enture a trance state first?

FOr some reason I can't recognise it.  It seems to be instant, you close your eyes to relax for a few minutes, and next thing you know, it's the morning.

The only time I can tell it's the trace state when I'm so relaxed I'm really chilled and feel good - but no vibrations.

[jay dawg]

well i got into the trance state in no time lastnight. i didnt feel my usualy slight vibes coming and going. just after a while i got a full on vibrations set. it was awesome. no obe or ld tho. it sucked. im still new

[David Warner]

Jay Dawg and Billion,

I think the best way to recognize the trance state and awakening into it is by accident and trial by error.  I know this sounds hookie, but that's what happened to me. I had the intent and desire to keep reading this book on astral projection. Although, I was super tired I wanted to keep reading the book. As I gave in to sleep the projection started and all on my mind was "get the book, keep reading". During the experience I couldn't figure out what was going on, even when my hand kept passing though my shoe when I tried putting it on. After I remembered my intent and floated towards the book I was pulled back fast-quick-hard and awakened with terror in the darkness sweating - It wasn't fun!!

Anyways, back to the trance state and recognizing. Its something you have to feel and use your imagination. As I've said many times, I use my method by rolling around inside myself like a log or crouched into a little ball.. from there I am able to connect. this keeps my mind active and connects to the trance while my body falls asleep.

Hope this makes sense.

Tvos

[jay dawg]

awakened in terror? why was it so scary at the time.

i never knew what the trance state was until i realized i kept "waking" into it like u say. from there the vibes come rather quickly for me. by rolling around you mean try and feel like u are without actually doing it right?

if projecting is not working at that point, would it be easier to just wait for a lucid dream to start?

late

[TheDarkApprentice]

Yea but if you project at night un-conciously and have an OBE, then whats the point of doing it if you dont get to really witness anything? Unless you mean your having a lucid dream.

For me, i just get in the trance state from relaxing and using techniqes via NEW. But after that, I cant project.