Hypnogig imagery is easy..now what!? help again =P

[Zarklon]

another thing i forgot to mention .. I dont know exactly what this was but .. when I'm deep in trance .. or at least , I get the numbess and hypnogic stuff .. any noise will send this crazy ... feeling.. through my whole body.. like .. almost like the feeling you get when someone scares the crap outta you but it doesnt make me jump.. it just feels like a ripple of .. feeling.  

And another thing , when my dad came into the room to try and blow out my candle (lol) I noticed it and told him not to .. when he left the room .. it felt like I had just done somethign to get me out of breath .. my body wasnt moving like it was breathing heavy but I got that feeling of my chest going up and down fast like I was out of breath .. this feeling spread to my arms .. felt like my arms were goin up and down.  I dunno if it was vibrations or what but my heart wasnt pumping fast at all to have this feeling.  Sorry thats my crappy explanation of it. Just felt like everything was out of breath and was trying to breathe.. was it vibrations? or atl east subtle ones ?

[mayhem]

Well sounds like you're in my position. I can get the imagery and the body numbness. But *most* of the times its not paralysis. When my body is asleep my brain gives me messages like where the hell did it go. All sensory input from my body has vanished. I dont feel where my arms or legs are. If you bring yourself out of the trance you should be able to move your body tho. Thats what ive found. Your second question sounds like you might've been breathing shallow. I usually do that to get into F10 quicker. But you might've gotten winded from sitting up or even talking might trigger that. It takes a lot less oxygen to sustain meditation than it would regular activities.

When you enter this state of imagery and numbness you should be trying to place your intent to where you would like to visit. Most people *I think* make energy bubbles for their travel *for energy and to protect them* I dont think its nescessary but some swear by it. Monroe suggests resinent tuning... breathing in (gathering energy) breathing out (expelling waste and tension). Sounds like your situation is borderline ready to phase. I think you should read up into Frank and Ginny's posts. They both use phasing techniques and are extremely good at it. Ginny focus's mainly on retrievals and exploration into F27. They both can phase rather quickly, around 20-30 minutes sometimes. And they can also switch from astral to F3 (normal consciousness) and back very quickly(like a switch.. so they claim). Check out -Astral Consciousness- folder on the forums. It deals quite a bit with phasing. Or search for phasing. Hope this helps.

I'd also suggest trying to phase while your not tired... I find it really difficult to fight off sleep... it always wins

[Zarklon]

hah , thanks Mayhem , I think we are pretty close in progress.. It feels exactly liek I dont know wher my hands are .. I woke up last night and tried to feel for them .. then moved them to see if I had pictured them i nthe right spot and I noticed that my right hand was waay over the my whole body and it was on top of my left hand .. I dunno why I was sleeping like that but .. hey I'm a wierd one ...

This is an experience I had last night. If anyone is intersted in readin it  , go ahead. If anyone wants to figure out what was going on or whatever please do so. I dont know why I had this lucid dream but it was quite vivid and as always , I trigger the re entry of my body by will and wake up with .. itchy body parts ....mostly my underarms , nipples and pubic hair region .. I dont know whats up with that but I go  nuts cause it itches so much after a lucid dream awakening lol.  
Oh and yes .. sleep always beats me too Mayhem =P I found though , I can sleep no matter how awake I am , give me 10 minutes =P
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Last night I decided to fall asleep with the brainwave generator and I woke up about half way through the next sound clip in my MP3 playlist .. (since I burned all the presets I liked onto my MP3 player).  I noticed that I had turned over on my side.  Luckily I still had the headphones on my head and was listening to what sounded like a rainstorm and the  high pitched woom woom sounds.  I realized .. "hey , I just woke up half way through the next preset."  This was wierd cause I didnt remember faling asleep or turning over on my side.  Then my alarm clock went off and I immediately reached for it to turn it off .. I noticed that my mind wasnt working like normal .. the alarm clock felt like the mp3 player .. they are totally different in shape .. one is skinny ( mp3 player) and one is a small cube shaped crappy alarm clock.  The feeling of the alarm clock didnt feel right but eventuall I managed to hit the snooze button.  Shortly after that , I got relaxed again and when I noticed I was just about to drift off to sleep , I mentally said " I wish to leave my body now..."  and .. I got some pretty wierd feelings .. I dont remember them very well but I know I had a lucid dream in someones house that I thought was my uncle's.. Strange though  , I've never seen it and I knew this wasnt his house.  I was walking around and saying " Clarity now!" and the scene or object I was focusing on , would change ..

I remember seeing something andI didnt know what the hell it was .. it was a cross between a coffee maker and an ash tray.. then I said "Clarity now!" and it turned into a fat round garbage can .. lol I dunno what was goin on but I explored the house and tried to pick out things to remember when I re entered my body or woke up. I opene someone's wallet to find a red velvet pocket in it with 3 buttoned up small pockets .. something read .. "something.......Afterlife"    and the pockets had some guy's nameo n them .. Burniel ? Burneal ?  I dunno what it was , started with a B.. I was havin trouble reading the names.  Then I said .. ok I dunno where I'm at so I decided to call out for my guide.... When I said "I wish to speak to my guide"  I actually heard my voice say it .. sounded like me in the dream but louder .. I dunno how to explain it.. then I got a feeling of vertigo and thats when I tried to feel for my physical body.. when I did , I woke up .. I felt very very itchy ... my ..heh my nipples were itching , my knees , legs , and head was itching a lot 2...  It was a very strange experience indeed.  A lucid dream in an unknown environment  that I thought I knew it was my uncles house but should have known he didnt live in this house.. I dont konw where I was..I cant believe I didnt realize that everything was too strange.. yet I was able to control it and ask for my guide and everything.. I dunno what triggered it but I remember it from start to finish.. I think I noticed the hpynogogic* imagery and imagined a water well.. then it took shape and soon ,  iwas outside that house looking at the well I had pictured and it put me right into the scene.  

Sorry that was so long , maybe someone could get some ideas from it. I like to post in great detail to help others and myself at the same time. I get people every now and then that page me in instant messenger and tell me how somethign I posted , worked for them =P

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[rodentmouse]

Zarklon,    i   cant help you,  but perhaps you could help me please.

How do you get into  this state?   or,  what is your method of relaxation???

do you do any energy raising???

do you have any physical tension  at this point???

do you hold your mind clear all the way through???   or do you mentally comment e.g.  "wow,  im in trance"

thankyou

[Zarklon]

heh , I'll try to answer as best as I can.. I change my way of doing things so much that nearly everytime I lay down to try and project , I always end up doing something different for different results.





>How do you get into this state? or, what is your method of relaxation???

Basically , I make sure nothing at all is bothering me when I lay down on my bed flat on my back. Arms straight down , mostly I'll just have them straight down with my right hand resting to the right of my right knee and the left hand to the left of my left knee on the bed.. sometimes I'll have them on my lap or my fingers will be interlaced and resting on my chest.. I change that up a lot.  Anyway , my relaxation method .. basically .. I will spend the first minute or so getting comfy , getting warm,  putting my blanket up to my neck , making sure I dont feel like Im being choked by the headphones I'm wearing ( the cord I mean ).   After that , I will start to do a "breath awareness" method found ( here http://www.kryten.demon.co.uk/astral/meditation.htm ).

Basically , I  breathe in then I say IN (mentally) and I count number 1 .. then I breathe out and say OUT (mentally) ... then I start over , breathe in .. say IN , count 2 ... breathe out ...  In simplest terms possible .. IN 1 OUT IN 2 OUT IN 3 OUT IN 4 OUT .. etc .. counting on the inhales only.  When a random dream-thought or hypnagogic imagery thought or image comes to push its way through my counting .. I start over at 1 .. pretty soon , I cant get past the number 4 heh.. This lets me know that I'm on the border of sleep. Basically , the breathing and counting thing gets me to that state where its hard to ignore the hypnogig imagery. I'm pretty much stuck as to what to do after I get it though. Thats why I posted here again.



do you do any energy raising???

I have been very very interested in doing it .. I learned about Ki and Ki balls and have been trying to mess around with it but I havent gotten too serious in it yet.. I have a gut feeling that I need to read more of the NEW energy ways before I'll have any chance at a projection into the physical plane ( my goal at the moment ). But really , I dont do energy raising at the moment. Or if I do .. I'm getting energy transferred to me from a friend so I'm almost cheating to raise my energy hehe.


>do you have any physical tension at this point???

Hmm physical tension .. I usually notice physical tension when I try to to a technique to get out .. like .. the rope .. I'll notice my whole body is kinda tensed up .. when I get rid of the rope image , is when I notice this tenseness and I just go limp again.. this is why I dont try to do techniques much as a means of leaving my body.  I've lately been trying to have lucid dreams to enduce an OBE.. something I didnt really want to resort to. Due to so much activity in my house lately , I've been using the BWGEN program to mute my surroundings so to speak. It works I guess.. at least it relaxes me and makes me feel strange sometimes. But ummm..I may have strayed from the question.. I really dont get much physical tension unless im doing a technique to get out .. so I have been focusing more on creating an image in my head and hopefully I'll get put into that "scene" into a lucid dream. I've been successful one time and hope to do it again tonight!

>do you hold your mind clear all the way through??? or do you mentally comment e.g. "wow, im in trance"

Heh..this is something I change up often..Let me think..When I'm doing the breath awareness thing, I try to clear my mind of everything except for the counting ... eventually that gets nearly impossible .. so then I take a moment to stop and ALMOST allow myself to fall asleep ( after playing around at the sleep border for a few months ,  youll know what I mean ) when I'm at the point of no return .. I'll  notice my body is numb .. the hypnagogic imagery is really strong and I can either ignore it and go back to counting and breathing or try to create an image in my mind and hope I have a lucid dream. Basically , i stop and do a check to see how relaxed I am. Yes I do comment to myself as I do this .. "Hmm my body is numb .. where are my hands !?.. I think they are here .. but I cant feel the bed sheets... hmm the cord from my headphones should run across my chin..  Idont feel that .. is it there?" I'll say things like that .. but watch it cause those things could make you fall asleep hehe...


If you have any more questions , I'll try to answer them.. I have a feeling that my guide is trying to tell me something.. basically the message my guide wants to get to me is "Experiment a little more , when you are exiting either through a lucid dream or full blown OBEs then I will teach you and you shall progress much further"   When I tried to talk to my guide through that lucid dream I had last night , I instantly got the thought to wake up out of it.. that really was quite wierd since I've been waiting to realize that I'm in a lucid dream so I could talk to my guide... I think it boils down to this ..  I need to learn more about what I'm doing and experiment a bit by myself before my guide will help me and teach me things. .. Does anyone else get that gut feeling?

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[Zarklon]

guys , I'm troubled by something.. I dont get vibrations often enough to satisfy me.. Lucid dreams are nice and all.. but I dont know exactly how to enduce vibrations  ... I know I can get physical relaxation quite easily cause I recognize the hpynagogic imagery and I realize when I'm counting that the hypnagogic imagery starts to synchronize itself with my counting.
(for exaple .. last night I was counting my breathing and little red light bubls were being placed on a string that looked like Xmas lights..) I became aware of this but I also became aware that It had started counting the lights starting at like .. number 8 .. but I had really taken notice of this at a count of 12.. so I think I'm relaxed enough to get vibrations but they are not coming.

What should I do !!?

And about astral sight.. I read somehwer that you might not notice that you have astral sight..Can anyone elaborate on this?  When I do notice I have it .. I can induce the vibrations in my neck that allow me to have a concious exit straight into a lucid dream ( I'll very much settle for knowing how to realize I have astral site.. this is the key for my projections I think!!!!!!)

Any suggestions guys ? I'm sorry I have so many questions. I wish I could provide more help .. I can at least help people get to where I am with all the detail I give about my experiences hehe..

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[ralphm]

Maybe you are over emphasizing the need for vibes, with the imagery you are probably on the verge of projecting. Maybe you should check out the phasing stuff. I don't get hypnogogics (but hear weird sounds) usually project after energy raising and falling asleep- keep it up and you will develop your own pattern/techniques.

[Zarklon]

ahh thats right , something I forgot to mention is .. I do hear wierd sounds.. Sometimes voices .. sometimes popping noises. I had mentioned that something sounded liek a blown up paper bag hitting me in the head.. I hear noises like .. um..when you get a gold coin on the super mario game hehe.. kinda like a  "bling!" sound.  Followed by some kind of hypnagogic imagery *sometimes*.   So your saying I may be close to projecting?

You say that you usually project after you do some energy raising and then fall asleep? Heh.. that would be cool I know I'm real close but I'm mising something important.. I know I still have trouble with falling asleep.. I even dream about telekinesis and stuff now.. but I still dont realize it enough to project from the dream lol. I'll check out the phasing info.. I hope it doesnt mean I'll have to buy anything cause I really dont have much money at all. I'm lucky to be getting some books this Xmas Thanks Ralph

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[ralphm]

Zarklon, the missing ingredient is Time, I meditated and did energy work for 25 years before I had a spontaneous obe. After 6 months of trying I realize that it is possible and repeatable.

[Zarklon]

I hope it doenst take that long for me to achieve another OBE.  I've been working specifically to get one for the past 3-5 months  and I'm getting closer and closer I know it.  I am very patient now and I'm not trying to force and OBE. I think hypnagogic imagery is an important factor in it .. If I watch it , I seem to be pulled into it and just fall asleep only to not remember much of anything when I wake up... If I try to ignore it .. some "stealthy" imagery gets up to me and konks me out.  I cant seem to avoid falling asleep.. thats my main problem.  Energy raising is something I need to do. I think I'll post something about energy raising cause I think it should go in a separate thread.  I've really been wanting to do some lately but I'm not sure how.. I dont see how the NEW energy ways allow for building energy up.. What do you do to raise energy and is it effective?

Ralph , I'm curious .. when you notice hypnagogic imagery.. what do you do ? Do you keep a clear mind ? Do you watch it or what ?

I think I'll change up my technique a bit . I'll do breathing until I notice the hypnagogic imagery and then I'll just keep a clear mind and ignore any thought. Its hard but I'll manage sometime. What do you guys ink about that ?..Jeez I cant help sounding like a little kid when I post here. Sorry guys, I'm 16.. maybe I'm just excited about astral projection. I'm taking my spiritual journy and I hope to learn a lot from this. I should take a break from posting Im getting bad vibes when I post things. I dunno..

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[Zarklon]

Hey guys , I've been progressing quite well until recently... I seem to be able to get hypnogig imagery quite easy.( is that how you spel it !?) Anyway , I'll be laying in the bed and after listening to the BWGEN program for a while , I'll notice different random mental movies push their way into my head. Usually , I'll fall asleep after this happends but I can ignore them a lot easier than before.. My question is .. what should I do upon seeing these mental movies and realizing ( hey my mind is trying to make me dream..I'll fall asleep soon).  I'll literally say to myself... hey! Hypnogig imagery .. wooohoo. I'm not sure what I should do after this but another thing I can achieve quite easily is the feeling of my body being totally numb .. I mean .. I'll know and feel wehre my hands are ( by my side ) but I cant feel the texture of my bed or anything. I'll just feel my body there but nothing else.. And also , the cord for my headphones usually rests on my chin while I do this and after a while ,  I wont even feel that anymore ( even when I try to feel it ) .. is this mind awake body asleep ? If it is .. I dont have physical paralysis ... when I try to move .. I'll just move.  

I'm not sure how to enduce physical paralysis or anything. The vibrations dont come to me often.. But the feelings of my body being numb and the hypnogig imagery come very easy.. within 15-20 minutes of relaxation.  

Is this a good sign or what ? What should I do after I notice the numbness of my body and the hypnogig imagery trying to make me fall asleep? Thanks guys, and please if anyone knows how far along I am in my progress , please let me know.  I seem to only have an OBE from .. wierd situations ( i.e. when I give up lol )

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