The Exorcism of Emily Rose (2005)

[Kyo Kusanagi]

The Exorcism of Emily Rose (2005) is a movie on demonic possession.

Links to the trailer, and my comments, here :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1126502283/0#0

[GANAMOHA]

something and the only thing that caught my attention about this was that my friend constantly wakes up everyday or morning at 4:00 at least for the past few months just a thought because of the constant 3:00 oclock thing ehh oh well shes not waking up at three anyways only 4:00

[James S]

Kyo,

Your comments on the other forum sum it up very well.

The whole thing about posessions is rooted in fear and with very little substance, mostly the stuff of religious hysteria.

I remember clearly reading comments made by one of the more prominent and "practical" psychic authors - Ted Andrews. He said that for all the times he's been called out to help someone who's reportedly been possessed by some evil spirit, he's yet to encounter an actual possession. He said possessions simply don't happen the way Hollywood or some of the more sensationalist authors make out they do.

A possession can only really happen when someone wants it to happen to them and goes some to make it happen. We're much stronger in this world than spirits, and for any spirit to take control of us in any way, bad spirits or good, they must have our consent.

I read articles and posts about possessions, then look for the tell-tale signs that the author has some kind of religious convictions. Usually it's not worth trying to shine the light of common sense on them, as it seems some people enjoy the attention their misery brings them.

"Invite yourself and all other beings around, to choose (very simply) to replace the false, illusionary darkness of fear (False Evidence Appearing as Real) with the light of understanding, the company of God, and the experience of Love. "
Amen to that!

Blessings,
James.

[kakarukeys]

I just watched the movie, and thought I could add something to your comments. The movie nearly freaked me out.

When one gets so devoted to a religion, such as Emily Rose, she got too immersed in her faith. Making her susceptible to the "demonic forces" defined by her faith.

I believe that the movie did not change anything of the true story behind except the names and thus is an invaluable resources to learn.

Here is the characteristics of the events:

(1) Emily Rose was a very devoted Catholics.
The more you are devoted to a religion, the less doubt you have on its faith. To Emily Rose, Demons do exist without a single doubt.

(2) Her family has a medical history of psychosis. Deep fear or anxiety can trigger psychosis.

That was what happened in the very first night, the time of waking up, 3a.m. was a coincidence, but it stroked fear in Emily's heart because of its significance in Catholics faith. The odor of burning, the strong wind further intensified her anxiety and fear, eventually she experienced a nervous breakdown in her bed later.

(3) What happened in the very first night of her possession repeated itself on Father Moore (the father who tried to exorcise her).

The repetition is no coincidence and has nothing strange at all. Father Moore learnt Emily's experience, he too was over anxious and afraid. The experience was rooted in his subconscious and entangled with his faith.  And thus he too was waken up at 3a.m. and saw things that Emily had seen. This can be regarded as a subconscious self-confirmation of something so deeply troubling his mind.

(4) The woman scholar who spoke in favor of exorcism said exorcism is the only way to handle possession, that the drugs used to cure psychosis
made the exorcism failed.

She has some truths, exorcism does have positive effect on relieving one from possession. I prefer to say exorcism is a different approach more like a psychological guidance. Repeatedly persuading the possessed that he/she is on the way to be unpossessed and he/she is no longer possessed is a powerful mean of pacifying his/her deeply troubled mind.

The drugs cause relaxation on the mind and so do not help and actually hinder such a psychological approach.

(5) She spoke of Cain and Judah were possessed by the same "demons" before.

That is interesting, the horrific deeds of Cain and Judah were not due to demonic possession or persuasion. According to the Bible, Cain and Judah made their own decisions. So why did Emily say so? I believe it is her own self-deduced conclusion that every evil deed is demon's fault.

(6) Emily Rose claimed that she saw Virgin Mary spoke to her and gave her salvation.

She was so deeply convinced that she was possessed, and so any attempt to exorcise the "demons" had failed. At the brink of destruction, one always dreams and imagines about salvation, this is as natural as an extremely weak and thirsty man in desert could see mirage of water fountain and imagine drinking from it.

After she saw the wounds on her hands caused by the barb wires, she began to imagine being a Saint, to be heroic without accepting salvation. And so subconsciously she had accepted her fate.

The bottomline is, clinging to an object makes one more vulnerable to any damage the object could bring. This is the sad truth behind the whole story. The only curious event that I could not explain was why the defendant attorney found a necklace bearing her initials on the snow.

[James S]

I think you've hit the nail right on the head there kakarukeys.

Good observations!


James.

[OATH_]

Never take anything at face value and keep in mind that this is a movie and is taken out of context. I can however attest to a failed attemtp to posess me by a Goetic demon (glasya-labolas) which was destroyed. Also the arch angel Gabriel has come into me once which is also what you would call posession. So, James, I see how you mean that they cannot posess you if it isnt wanted, because Gabriel is a close friend of mine and I didnt want her to do that and she surprised me when she did but I cant quite see how she did it becuase a big part of me did not want her to. I guess the other part of me trusted her enough to not offer any resistance though. If you have questions present them, please dont be quick about it and call me a liar. Ask questions and test me this way.

[James S]

Oath,
Interesting!

Firstly interesting because you experienced Gabriel's female aspect. Not many people are aware of this.

I wouldn't be to concerned about being "possessed" by an archangel either.    
As beings of light, their higher energies are far more compatible with ours. It's easier for them to be a little more pushy about it, and you're right to trust her. Angels & Archangels only do something like that when they're a very good reason, and they know the'll cause us no harm. If you really had any doubts about her identity, she would have certainly well and truly clarified them.

"Lower" entities -i.e.  demons, have energies that are not compatible with our own. Makes it much much harder for them to step in and take control. That's why they need to be more or less invited. We've got to get our energies down to their level first.


James.

[OATH_]

Oath,
Interesting!

Firstly interesting because you experienced Gabriel's female aspect. Not many people are aware of this.

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I often hear people say that angels/arch angels and the like dont have a gender and the only real evidence I can see for them saying this is that they are only thinking in terms of sexual reproductive organs which is quite stupid but still understandable Imho. The church is indirectly saying that all arch angels are males, that god is male etc.. It is ignorant and sexist, and sadly but often enough true. I have even heard it said that Angels have no free will...Absolutley astounding! Gabriel is female. I can speak more on what I have discovered while experiencing her but I would rather not for certain reasons.

[kakarukeys]

first question

How do you figure out their identities?
(glasya-labolas, Gabriel)

there are more than one goetic demon, and more than one arch-angel out there.

[OATH_]

first question

How do you figure out their identities?
(glasya-labolas, Gabriel)

there are more than one goetic demon, and more than one arch-angel out there.

Most of the time demons and other nasties dont want you to know their name and Ive asked a few of them why and they say something like they think you will have power over them. I have not been able to see how this works though unfortunately. As far as Glasya, a few friends approached it in which Glasya got very revealing   As for Gabriel, she has no reason to hide her identity, but sometimes they do approach us and do things to us without announcing themselves, like in dreams or in normal everyday life. Its quite interesting if you ever talk to an angel though, I think you will find that they are not so unlike human beings and it makes you wonder


p.s. Maybe we should start a new topic? unless kyo doesnt mind us going off topic?

Here is a more direct response to the topic though : http://gatesofmysticism.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=733&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[kakarukeys]

How did you come to know about the title "Goetic demons" before they attempted to possess you? Have you ever read anything about dark magick, the story of King Solomon, etc? or even attempted? How would you rate your acquaintance in them? Consider that Glasya only revealed to friends of you, and you were able to recognize Glasya on your own based on experience of others.

[James S]

Oath,

As for Gabriel, she has no reason to hide her identity, but sometimes they do approach us and do things to us without announcing themselves, like in dreams or in normal everyday life. Its quite interesting if you ever talk to an angel though, I think you will find that they are not so unlike human beings and it makes you wonder

Well said!!  

I've also started a new topic to talk about identifying spirits:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=180386#180386

Blessings,
James.

[OATH_]

How did you come to know about the title "Goetic demons" before they attempted to possess you? Have you ever read anything about dark magick, the story of King Solomon, etc? or even attempted? How would you rate your acquaintance in them? Consider that Glasya only revealed to friends of you, and you were able to recognize Glasya on your own based on experience of others.

I was searching one day many months ago (5 or 6?) on these forums (astral pulse) for information on Gatekeepers when I discovered a post by spectral dragon in which I proceeded to contact him through email and then speak with him directly on msn messenger. At this time I was very much what one might call a noob (still am ) and knew very little of what was happening to me, but something was definitely amiss. He did not tell me right away about the demon and in fact it was revealed to me in a rather peculiar way in which I did not quite understand (my mind was severly weak and mixed up among most of the rest of me) in which Spectral Dragon helped me to uncover certain truths about what was going on and why. When I discovered it was something called a Goetic I then proceeded to educate myself on the subject and was told later, after the demon would not reveal its name and since I was not receiving any direct aid from the 'holy' beings so much (that I am aware of), by Spectral Dragon after he had approached the demon with two arch angels (did not see this, what he told me). After this I educated myself further and was contemplating summoning the beast with magick in which it has not reached this point because someone seems to have destroyed it before I could. (beleive me if someone would not have done it by now, I would do this) The reason for destruction makes sense to me, the thing it was after in me was power, most notably my sword excensior ( http://www.astraldynamics.com/search.asp?Search=sword&Type=1&ReferenceID=390 this will clear things up a bit, but it wouldnt be wise make any assumptions or links with Mr. Bruce's writing and my particular sword/ who or what I am.)

I rate my acquaintance with Glasya as a great learning experience and it made me hesitant to kill it. They are not so evil as one may think, but seem more so to be plagued by what you may call 'sin', example: Greed for power (of my sword) in which Glasya got ahead of him or herself and became quite active apparently which got it killed (but for how long?)

And I have seen this creature and so has a friend, I can have her provide testimony if you wish and post it here.

[kakarukeys]

The goetic demon has existed since ancient time. For it to survive that long, it must be quite powerful. Is it credible that the demon was so easily destroyed?

Do the demon (or angel) has any interaction with physical world? Like moving a tiny object, making a sound, noticeable to a 3rd person regardless of his/her faith. The story of King Solomon says that the goetic demons were involved in building a temple.

[OATH_]

The goetic demon has existed since ancient time. For it to survive that long, it must be quite powerful. Is it credible that the demon was so easily destroyed?

Do the demon (or angel) has any interaction with physical world? Like moving a tiny object, making a sound, noticeable to a 3rd person regardless of his/her faith. The story of King Solomon says that the goetic demons were involved in building a temple.

We shouldnt think destroyed so much as 'out of commision', it is very difficult to destroy a soul and if it was done it would affect the one doing it greatly. There are certain things to do where you may knock a creature 'out of comission', a popular one for demons is to first weaken it as much as possible and then tearing its body into millions of tiny pieces which takes it years to reform and gain strength. I have also put a creature in a sort of magickal pot. I read that soloman also did this and threw it at the bottom of some body of water only for it to be released by men. As far as manifestation is concerned, I can only say I saw it done once and that was by Lucien. I heard it takes quite a lot of energy to do this and it seems that spirits generally try and stay away from this, not only that there is the veil which the spirits must overcome to get into this world. The easier way for them to get here would be posession. I am also exploring a particular demon atm who has possibly incarnated into a human body.

That is the extent of my knowledge on these particular questions, and it is a bit vague and not solid conclusions as of yet.

[sniper_wolfe]

A possession can only really happen when someone wants it to happen to them and goes some to make it happen. We're much stronger in this world than spirits, and for any spirit to take control of us in any way, bad spirits or good, they must have our consent.

Hi all,
This is my first post so consider it a 'Hello' as well. Right now I'm living in a kind of Emily Rose situation myself. For the past 10 years, but only realised recently, my sister has be showing the symptoms of schizophrenia.
Now, the first episode...was an outright "demon posession"...ie, she was able to explain that there was another personality within her etc...And her behaviour went back and forth between her 'real' personality and her 'demon' personality'.

Now, I know schizophrenia should not be confused with multiple personality disorder...and I have over the past two years been recording incidents when her behaviour becomes "off-normal". Most of my records support the diagnosis for "catatonic" shizophrenia.
See here for more info. on schizophrenia
http://www.webmd.com/hw/schizophrenia/aa46940.asp?z=1835_00000_0000_rl_01

By the way we carried her, finally   , to a psychiatrist about 3 months ago...after having done an MRI etc and the psych said she's schizophrenic.

Now, similar to the movie...there is a great debate about what is really happening.

I kid you not when i say alot of emily's physical contortions etc...delusional  thoughts etc...I have seen in my sister. Of course not to the same degree.

The question remains however, what was the root cause of these things?

My sister before her first episode 10 years ago was deeply religious, just as they portrayed emily.

The attack came as to my sister as she was praying inviting the holy spirit to come upon her..(she's christian).

That stuck a bell with me then as it did now.

Apart from the obvious symptoms of schizophrenia that she displays, I wonder if she is also truly possessed.

Where I live, and the rest of my family, may be classified as extremely superstitious. However, we've yet to definitely confirm if she's possessed because no one really takes a scientific approach to confiming demon possession.

In other words, if she were catholic we'd be ignored cause shes dosen't satisfy the requirments for the possessed.(Yes I know catholics are christians as well, but were i live that's another big issue lol.)

Oh, by the way, she's been on the anit psychotic, Risperdal(risperdone) for the last 3 months with no visible change in behaviour.

I'm still reading up on this forum to see how confirm possession in an objective manner.

To see this in a movie and to actually live through the experience, I will not wish this on anyone.

Here is one of many sites on the real Emily Rose:
http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_1253.html

s_w

[I Am]

Movies like these do so much damage to the people as a whole.  It completely scares the krap out of people, for no good reason.

Like many others have said, you have to seriously be trying to invoke a demon or some spirit in order to be possessed.  It is really really RARE for it to happen on it's own, unless an undue a mount of fear of possession is instilled in the person.

Exorcisms are in my opinion no the best way to deal with stuff like that, there are better ways than fighting the energy.

http://www.spiritreleasement.org/

Dr. Baldwin has produced a good book about spiritual rel easement therapy.  I honestly believe in a real situation, seek professional help, but learning this could be vital to those who have an interest in the subject.