Need question answered

[f111th]

i have had OBE's for about the past 17 years , even before i knew they were OBE's.  It was nice to find out i wasnt crazy  

i get out every once and a while, some times i can see, other times i cant.  sometimes i have ld's.

here is my problem.   For about the last for months, whenever i wake up there is always someone hovering over top of me, then they fade away.

they are never the same and i usually cant see there face.

i know about voices and seeing people when i obe , but this is different, i am awake and not projecting or having false awakenings, and i dont have any paralysis.


Does anybody else experience this? or can enlighten me.

f111th

[jay dawg]

ask him who he is, i dunno

[Nay]

It could be your astral double.  That is what it sounds like.  You are waking up right at that second that you are actually going back to your physical.  Now if you could just remember the in between times.

Good-luck!
Nay

[f111th]

i have thought about asking, but i think i was afraid of the possible answer.   also half the time i am to busy re-acting to someone being in my face and i am trying to push it away, and by the time i do that it has faded away.



if it is my astral double why does it always have a different shape and not look like me?


i appreciate the responses on this.

f111th

[Nay]

When I saw my astral double from behind it didn't look a damn thing like me, but I knew it was me.  More of a shiny human shape then anything else.  And the time I looked in the mirror and I didn't look like me either.  So I would say yeah, it could look different then your normal physical.  

I guess it could also be a thought form, hence why it fades away when you actually focus on it.  It is best to try and not pay attention to anything when you first get out of your body, you'll get further down the road that way.

For a few months I kept getting distracted by my deceased pets and I would end up not doing a darn thing.  Don't get me wrong, I loved the visits, but I really wanted to go and explore.   I've now learned to not get distracted immediately after splitting and to move on to "higher" planes.  

Nay

[Selski]

Can I second Nay's comments? .... thanks  

For some reason, distractions abound when you are trying to get out of your body.  All sorts of things get in the way to stop you doing what you want to do.  Especially when you first start having these experiences.

I learnt over time to ignore them.  It really is the best thing to do.  I spent months bellyaching about my lack of astral sight.  It stopped me going any further than my bedroom.  Until one day I was very relaxed about the whole thing and thought to myself, "Never mind, I'll do it all via sense."  As soon as I left the bedroom, my sight slowly appeared as if by magic.

I know it's difficult to ignore something that is seemingly sat on you, but over time you will find your own way around it.  Have you tried shouting "BOO!!" at it?  (Which is in effect, taking control of the situation and making "it" fear you, rather than the other way round.)

Good luck!

Sarah

[f111th]

i appreciate the comments, but i think you guys missed the first part.

i dont have a problem getting out when i do, other then sometimes i cant see, but i have projected many times.   i have had those beings around and they dont fade away.   i usually end getting into a fight with one of them, or just ignoring them.


This is happening when i am waking up,  not when trying to project or getting out.  (usually when get up to go to the washroom )

and dont get me wrong, i would like to get a lot better at projecting.

but if you guys feel it is my astral double then it maybe.

f111th

[Nay]

This is happening when i am waking up, not when trying to project or getting out.

Exactly why I think it is your astral double.  You have said that you project so what seems to be happening is you are becoming aware spontaneously....see?

When I'm not trying to project I find myself trying to NOT float out of my body.  It seems my subconscious likes to project alot more than I actually feel is necessary..   I think this is happening to you in a sense.  You are becoming aware when you are coming back to your physical.

Hope that helps.  I so suck at trying to explain myself.. :confused:

Nay

PS.  Having to go tinkle while half awake is actually how a lot of people first discover astral projection.  

[Jazket]

There is no "Astral Double", as we are unity, and not created twice.

There is just one thing I can tell you:

"Watch out what you think, because we have the power to Create"

[Nay]

I use that term because it explains how it feels to be out of your body, not because I think there are two different Nays.

What would you call it Jazket when you see yourself outside your other self?  

Nay

[Jazket]

Nay to answer your question   :

What I am seeing is just material that to me is nothing but a Jail in which I have to spend a really short period of time that for us seems to last for decades. We are spirit, we are not Humans with an Spirit, cause humans are not "something" besides the soul. The soul, "our" spirit, is not our spirit, it simply is US. It would be good to ref fer to ourselves as "When I went to visit the Astral Plane yesterday..." than saying "When my Astral Body traveled in Astral Planes yesterday..."



A better way to explain it is like this:

"I am not seeing my spirit with the human eyes, because the human eyes are almost dead now. I am seeing "my body", the vehicle that was given to me in my last life; given to me to make good use of it, to learn, to follow and always keep the Universe Laws of which there IS NOT one that doesn't act over me since I have life, to accept and comply all of the tasks and karma's that were assigned to me just before I was "reborn"..."

Nay, I understand what you meant, just don't try to cause confusion on others who does not have the knowledge you do, as they may think we DO have two "Nays" (physically talking - because we DO have even more than ten Nays and our first goal is to find the Real Nay sleeping within us to one day, only one day, control our own past, present and future).

[Nay]

You say tomatoe I say tomato..   I'm pretty comfortable with how I describe and with what terms I use to do so.  I think I'll stick with it, it hasn't led me astray yet.  

But thanks for the input.

Nay

[Jazket]

I think I'll stick with it, it hasn't led me astray yet.

Why do you "think" you will stick with it? Was my comment anything to make you "doubt" about yourself?

No my friend, never doubt of your knowledges unless you really know you should doubt about them

[Nay]

I think I'll stick with it, it hasn't led me astray yet.

Why do you "think" you will stick with it? Was my comment anything to make you "doubt" about yourself?

No my friend, never doubt of your knowledges unless you really know you should doubt about them

I think I'll stick with it because that is what I want to do.  *scratches head*   It seemed kinda self explanatory, why would you come to the conclusion that I have doubt?    

Jazket....*tweeks his little cheek* I only have to look at your Avatar and see whats up.   Why does my opinion irk you so?

Nay

[Jazket]

I came to that conclusion because you said "I think" you didn't say "I DO" and that brings doubt to your mind... so next time you are sure of something, do not say you think you are, believe it, and say I AM SO SURE OF THIS!.

My Avatar does not speak any language

And Your opinion did not bother me, I just saw you wrote about your "Astral Double", and I said, no we are just one; Why is it so hard for you to call yourself, you, only you!... So YOU!, not your astral double

[-->PhenomenoN<--]

???Not all spirits are good - and are here to help???

Just what came to mind

[Jazket]

That's a fact. Not all spirits are good, there as many bad spirits, as good could exist. Don't you see it daily? Don't you see the young girl being killed an violated by a Man? Don't you see everyday how a Husband beats her Wife? Don't you see how the same thing happens with their children? Don't you see Countries, large numbers of Men killing each other to defend the Human concept of freedom? That should give you a glimpse of what is reality. Once all those killers and precursors, and mean people die, I confirm you that they do not pass through a divine machine to purify their bad acts. But later they will be Judged, cause the law is perfect, and it gives everyone what it deserves.

But of course there are a lot of spirits helping all of us everyday... Have you ever heard about your Guardian Angel? Have you ever had that "presence" at school, at your work, at a family reunion, when you are talking, when you are making a hard decision, don't you have that "presence", that part of your heart that heats up, that is trying to tell you something? But do you ever listen to what it is trying to tell you? Do you ever ask your Guardian Angel to intercept for you at nights, while you are trying to practice that non-physical experience that you so egoistically think you know about? How come that the most sublime stories of a man's childhood, are actually the only real true they must follow? of which they lose sight of as soon as they grow along with their ego of being the strong one and the one that knows it all? Be weak, cause God will give you in return... Being the sheep that knows how to fight the wolf...