im new but heres a question

DgAf · November 16, 2005, 10:53:19

im new to this forum here but i see its alot about outer body experiences. ive had OBE's myself but they were all induced from tripping on salvia or mushrooms. has anyone else had these from drugs? is there anybody that does drugs in here that are hallucinogenic and such?

Hannah b · November 16, 2005, 11:37:13

hello DgAf, welcome to the forums!

We certainly don't promote the lifestyle you're talking about, but I must say that the drug + obe topic is quite popular on these forums. Please use the 'search " tool, and you will surley find many answers. good luck
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MindFreak · November 16, 2005, 18:43:25

I do hallucenogenic drugs. Mushrooms a fair number of times but not alot. Mostly LSD. But its hard to find pure acid these days because its always amateurs making it. Uncle Sam used to make it and it was always pure but now its illegal. Pure LSD is an incredible experience.
Ive never had any OBEs from these drugs but almost always have some kind of huge insight. Always thinking deeply about life. After the peak of course.

David Warner · November 16, 2005, 19:20:51

DgAf,

I've smoked weed in the past (every so often), drink beer etc...etc.. and have had a obe from these states of consciousness, but very limited experiences. In all honesty, removing these elements from my life has given me more success w/o alternating my consciousness through drugs.

The last 11 months I've gave up on socially drinking, started jogging, working out and my frame of mind is 'pristine' and I can actually clearly
think. When it comes to projecting is a higher "High" then absorbing chemicals to shift my focus. Not to put down what you are seeking or perform in rituals, but I prefer a clear mind going into the experience.

I've always found the drugs it would just make me tired and I would fall asleep. Its tough enough to project at conscious wakening.

Tvos

Cereal-N-Milk · November 16, 2005, 21:42:43

arnt those drugs dangerous?

Sova114 · November 16, 2005, 21:47:30

i suggest www.erowid.org as a good unbiased source about drugs, cereal.

MindFreak · November 16, 2005, 22:18:24

Erowid is a killer website

MisterJingo · November 17, 2005, 00:27:32

I've taken Saliva, 'Shrooms and countless varieties of psychedelics, and dissociatives (DXM, ketamine etc). The biggest difference between any OBE experienced on them and one using nothing but intention is the degree of control and lucidity of the experience. Drug induced OBE is not anywhere near on par with OBE experienced through effort alone.

melynna · November 17, 2005, 12:50:46

Most of the ones I have, are natural, but the last two ones I had, I was on Xanax (an anti-anxiety drug, legal), and they were the strongest OBE I've had.

David Warner · November 17, 2005, 15:29:05

melynna,

What happened in the experience?

Tvos

Cereal-N-Milk · November 17, 2005, 19:30:09

Quote from: melynnaMost of the ones I have, are natural, but the last two ones I had, I was on Xanax (an anti-anxiety drug, legal), and they were the strongest OBE I've had.

i used to take zoloft, and a couple times i had some crazy weird things happen to me when i was sleeping. This was before i knew about obes though so i didnt know what they where.

DgAf · November 21, 2005, 09:51:08

yea mylenna i had a pretty crazy OBE when i was taking kolonopins (kpins for short because i dont know how its supposed to be spelt) which is also an anti anxiety drug but i see what some of you are saying, the control i have is not great when im having an OBE and on drugs but ive never had one when i wasnt on drugs. Im a very lucid dreamer however and it took me about a year and a half to be able to have lucid dreams almost at will. are there any lucid dreamers in here?

Ben K · November 21, 2005, 13:38:57

all the drugs do are force reality overlays.

on high enough doses of drugs OBEs are relatively easy to accomplish.

Cereal-N-Milk · November 21, 2005, 18:37:47

^^ so would a sleeping pill make an AP easier, or should you drink something with sugar/caffenine with it?

David Warner · November 21, 2005, 18:53:19

Cereal,

No, sleeping pills will do just that - make you fall asleep.

I will say this once and for all. Anytime you mix drugs - alcohol,narcotics, over the counter they are known to produce the out of body experience. The biggest factor is do you really want to depend on a drug to shift your consciousness and experience the oobe or do this naturally?

Maybe, at first to get you started with oobe would be okay, but from my 17yrs of experiences I do not need drugs to enter the trance state. You think about it - how would you react in the physical if you smoked a joint. You would get high, time distorted, giggle, munchies, your perception would be out of whack and focus is not concise and clear. I tend to believe this would also follow you in the astral as well.

Trying to understand the astral, raise your consciousness/energy w/o drugs is the drug itself and is needed. Again, not to stomp on rituals, beliefs that practices - but to have a clear intact control of your senses, its best to stay away from the drugs - alcohol,narcotics, over the counter.

Tvos

Ben K · November 22, 2005, 04:21:12

Quote from: Cereal-N-Milk^^ so would a sleeping pill make an AP easier, or should you drink something with sugar/caffenine with it?

well maybe "high enough doses of any drugs can give you an obe" was too much of a generalization. For many drugs you will simply overdose and die, which will result in a permanent obe if you will. You dont want that.

go to www.erowid.org if you have any more questions

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