What the bleep do we know!?

[LarryMerlyn]

1. Gravity is part of the physical law of this plant/time/dimension.
In the quantum energy field gravity can be made to not work.
2. Gravity works because it is a law, laws are irrefutable and cannot be broken - but they can be bent.  Gravity is not a law in the quantum energy field.
3. We were explained the law of gravity BEFORE we chose to incarnate here. We were also explained how to overcome gravity. Move objects with ones mind against the forces of gravity.
LarryMerlin

[AstralSailor]

Well the answer is in the movie...
Its quantum mechanics facts no?

[nakiannu]

This movie is one of my favorite movies instantly.. because it really makes you think, while still being accessible to people who don't normally venture into thinking along these lines.

The movie starts you thinking along the lines of how your consciousness can and does affect reality, but it doesn't give you any methods for actually accomplishing this. This is something for an individual to pursue on their own after their 'fire' is lit by the movie.

Maybe 'Ramtha' is a good way to accomplish this.. maybe it's just one of many ways. For me personally, it starts with just practising meditation daily. You have to obtain that skill first before anything else. Kind of like learning how to ride a bicycle as a prerequisite before you EVEN think of buying a motorcycle.

[rikter]

I watched it not long ago, good movie!

[Ybom]

The chickens of today do not resemble the chickens that existed when this question was first asked.

Superchickens

[lo_ri_der]

Okay well, if we really do create our own reality, then wouldn't everything you are reading now just be made up in your own head? Well if that was true, then I guess we WOULD be making up our own reality. Damn, that is confusing. I'm gonna ponder that one for a while. It's crazy, like what would happen if a snake ate itself? I've asked teachers and many people this question and no one can come up with an answer. Think about it. It seems that its tail would just keep going farther and farther into its body, and it would get smaller and smaller until it just dissapeared and ate its own head. Turn inside out maybe. Yeah im just rambling on now... but seriously, WTF?

[mazdaaf]

woah the snake thing is cool

I'm taking a class in my high school called "spinning inward" which is basically a meditation/mindfullness/stress relief class. I knew from reading the description it would end up being my alltime favorite.

So we are actaully watching this movie in the class and I fell in love with it instantly--We are about halfway through [can't wait until friday to finish it].

What do people think about the whole native/columbus story? The only thing I don't understand is if it means that things you have never seen/thought of before you can not see...then how do we see things when we are babies/growing up?

[knucklebrain1970]

woah the snake thing is cool

I'm taking a class in my high school called "spinning inward" which is basically a meditation/mindfullness/stress relief class. I knew from reading the description it would end up being my alltime favorite.

So we are actaully watching this movie in the class and I fell in love with it instantly--We are about halfway through [can't wait until friday to finish it].

What do people think about the whole native/columbus story? The only thing I don't understand is if it means that things you have never seen/thought of before you can not see...then how do we see things when we are babies/growing up?

The Columbus/native thing is complete BS. It's like a new bug you've never seen before. I've seen plenty of bugs I've never seen before. The Columbus/native statement defies logic and reasoning. Ramtha has some good points, but she/he/it is on the pipe with a lot of stuff.

As for the creating your day. It does work. If you imagine something consistently, chances are it will be. The whole premise of the movie is that what is on the inside affects the outside. To a point. I'm battling with quantum physics at the moment. It's very complicated. One of the things it states is that an object only appears to be, because we are observing it. Well I pose the question, what if I close my eyes and touch something. By my eyes being closed am I still considered being the observer? Even though I can still touch an object with my finger? Is any one of my senses considered the observer? Fascinating stuff.

I would take what is in that movie with a grain of salt. A lot of the scientists viewpoints were taken way out of context with the movie. The only people I would say that are credible in the movie is Dr. Fred Alan Wolf and Dr. Joe Dispenza. Both fascinating guys. I'd suggest researching some of their stuff and leave the Ramtha stuff alone. Dr. Fred Alan Wolf is one of the leading quantum physicists currently. Dr. Joe Dispenza is just a chiropractor, but he is into the brain and the body and how we make change occur in our life. Unfortunately, he is involved with Ramtha $$$$, and I think he's a genius, too much so to be involved with such a group.

Now some fascinating things do occur at Ramtha's RSE (Ramtha School of Enlightenment). Several miracles have occurred supposedly although there is no documentation of such. Whether they are protecting the privacy of the individuals or are full of excrement, I don't know. But Dr. Joe is fascinating in that the crux of his research is why miracles occur in some people and not in others. I urge you to check both of those gentlemen out. As for the Ramtha School of Enlightenment, I'm not going to pay $2000 to go there for 9 days unless I see some of the results they state have occurred. Are they hiding something? I don't know. The message is good from the school, to teach you how to think, and not be a clone of society, but there are some unfilled holes as far as I'm concerned. In case you did not realize it, the whole movie is a plug for the school. However still interesting to say the least, but most scientists speak of the movie as quantum psychobabble.

Kevin

[mazdaaf]

The Ramtha School of Enlightenment thing seems interesting although I agree that I wouldnt spend that much money on something without leginamate proof.

In the movie they talk about how an object can be in two places at once, and I was thinking about this when I realized I have always seen it that way. I see double without my glasses because of an astigmatism in my eye, and it is not new to me to see the same object in 2 different places. My mind actually can't make up which one is real, because by closing my eyes one at a time causes both images become the real image. What I want to know is why our mind choses one position over all the other infinite possibilities...

I also really want to know what the world actually looks like without your minds interpretation of it. Astral projection proved to me that you can see and exist without your eyes and body, yet it still looked fairly simular to how it was in real life...just a lot more vivid. But technically is there really such thing as "color" or textures or anything...becuase what we consider these things is just our minds interpretation of them. *ponders*

Btw Kevin: you live in Worcester? nice I live in Newton

[knucklebrain1970]

Yep, I live in worse ter


I wish I could astral project. I've had the paralysis and vibrations all my life. I never knew what it was and it's always taken a marine effort to break free of it when it happened. I always thought I was having a stroke.

Now that I know what it is, the vibrations don't come as often. But they do come when I am on a relaxant such as vicodin for pain when I have them from injuries or whatnot.

However now I let the vibrations go long and it gets to the point where I can't breathe all too good and I sit there vibrating for minutes on end and nothing else happens  

Oh well, I guess some can project, others cant.

Kevin

[mazdaaf]

Aww ...I've APed probably 5-10 times that I know of.

When I was 9 I got really interested in psi related things so I did a lot of research and decided to pick one topic to really learn well. Since I've always wanted to find out more about the nature of the universe and such I decided on astral projection...and spent the next 3 years trying before I actually got results [which was after I read astral dynamics, no other book worked for me].

I'll sometimes wake up in that state but I still have issues just enterin it on my own...

I'm sure you can project, never give up. For me I noticed I got the best results when I didnt try to too hard and just let it happen.

[Krashlanmar]

I just watched what the bleep do we know, and I must say it was very good. Some of the concepts I have heard of, some concepts were explained better than I had known them before. I do have one question on the nature of reality and thoughts effecting matter/reality.
The movie speaks alot about the observer, and quantum mechanics. I am familiar with this. It goes further to say that WE choose our reality, and because our minds are so use to one thing (one pattern), we contune to create this same reality. (At least this is what I got from it). I have opened my mind, and accepted most of the things in the movie as true, 70-pecent of the stuff I have already had an experience in, so I know what they are saying is true. The other 30 percent, I will be open minded and see if it is or not.
So my question is, if we really create our reality, if thoughts do effect matter and reality, how did we origonally become stuck in THIS thing we CALL reality? All these reactions, images, memories, that depending on to what degree you buy these theories may or may not be real at all! Its all just a construct, created by our brain. So if reality is totally different, then what made us even construct this false one the way we have constructed it? Or is asking this question going to just confuse me, and make me stop my quest at finding out more of real reality and spiritual fulfilment. I have asked myself, but I come up against brick walls, and they all seem to want to contradict everything I hold true (which is probably all wrong anways, but...) and make these theories seem unreal...
Any opinions on this part of the movie, the combination of thought creating reality, and your brain/mind percieving a false reality (or just part of reality and not all of it) ?

If you get a chance to read this, I'd just like to say that I think I saw that movie, but I didn't know what it's name was not so long ago...

They basically talk about Quantum Physics. It's based on possibility (Quantum Physics). The possibility that there is a keyboard, well, technically, the possibility that there are atoms that comprise the keyboard and stuff. It's very mind blowing, actually. And what is Even more mind blowing is that it's been proven experiment by experiment. It's a perversion of what Einstein sought, though. Einstein wanted to make reality a "marble garden." He succeeded in making the large tree in the middle into marble (it symbolized one of his major discoveries, but I can't remember which...). This garden symbolized reality and the multi-dimentional universe. Brilliant man, really... In any event, Quantum Physics turned the garden completely into wood again: asymmetrical (whereas marble would symbolize a greater symmetry).

Nonetheless, without one of my infamous rants... good stuff. The observer that they were talking about is the human conscience; the soul. The greater purpose that so moves us. If you think about it there has to be an observer. We are not our bodies. Our bodies are just vessels that transport our brain, which, in turn, is just a physical "vessel" for our minds. Think of it this way: a car has an engine that makes it run, but this engine needs fuel, no? The engine would just be a random piece of metal without fuel to burn and start the car, and, in turn, move the aforementioned car.

Well, I'm not going to go off in a seemingly random direction as I often do. If this is the movie I think it is, then it's great. Wonderful. Got me back into Astral Projection and stuff, too, in a way. I stopped because It just wasn't working for me. Day one I got the closest I ever did, but then it sorta simmered to a halt and eventually after months of trying I stopped. The summer passed and I didn't really try much (not that I can get any sleep at night during the summer due to my cousin ). Regardless, I saw this movie and quickly got sucked back into books and physics and stuff, which led me to Astral Projection. Then I talked to my friend about it one day and he told me about this site Who says fate doesn't exist? (I do, personally. Horrible, horrible thing to believe in... wasted years of my life on it and it got me nowhere. It was but an excuse to be lazy. And now I'm trying to pull out of that vortex that it pulled me into.)

[genep]

I just watched what the bleep do we know,....

So my question is, if we really create our reality, if thoughts do effect matter and reality, how did we originally become stuck in THIS thing we CALL reality? ......
Any opinions on this part of the movie, the combination of thought creating reality, and your brain/mind perceiving a false reality (or just part of reality and not all of it) ?

Physics tells us that the observer determines the observations. Advaita has been trying to tell us the same message for over 5000 years but with different words, like Maya: the observer is the observations – EXACTLY like in a dream.

So life is just our private hallucination, fiction.  
This notion is so strange that it is the Supreme Comedy.
Since "life"  is your fiction, hallucination, nothing matters: you can sit back and laugh as you watch the show, life, or  you can jump right in with reckless abandon as Arjuna did in the Bhagavad Gita ... the Supreme Comedy is that with fiction, hallucinations, actually there is no choice (as Krishna tells Arjuna) because no matter what you think you think there is no control, or thinking, because they are just thoughts, the unites of fiction, like physics, thoughts.  (thus the Gita tells us: there is no doer)

[knucklebrain1970]

Here's my problem with this. The rock outside in front of my house. It's there, but only because I expect it to be there. However, because I'm inside and not looking at it, it's not there, right? However if I call my neighbor across the street and ask him to look, it's still there. I don't buy a lot of this stuff, and I am a scientific person. Quantum physics has many many flaws.

Kevin

[mazdaaf]

But what if the neighbor was expecting it to be there, so therefore they would see it there

[knucklebrain1970]

Ok, then how about this. Neither one of us looks at it. I video tape the rock over a 24 hour period. The rock is void from the film, correct? Or does it magically appear on film as well because I expect it to be there.

Or better yet, where is the suitcase full of $100 bills that I expect to find under my bed in my bedroom. I agree that thoughts are energy and much more powerful than most people understand. I have personally witnessed a transformation in my life based upon changing my thoughts and have got rid of major back aches and body pains, caused by my attitude. The film however is a plug for Ramtha School of Enlightenment and most of the stuff is just quantum psychobabble.

Now I'm not bashing the film. I own it, and I've watched it 400 times. I love it and I show it to everyone that is interested. But quantum physics is 50% bull**** IMO. Mostly because almost all of it is unverifiable via experiments. That's why it's so appealing to scientists. Some scientist can just come up with an outrageous concept and even if 100 other scientists think it's absolute BS, they just lump it in with quantum physics and everyone shuts up.

There is much much more work to be done in the field before I jump on the bandwagon.

Now I'm going to look for my suitcase now  

I don't mean to come off harsh here and enjoy a good scientific debate. One of the quantup physicists in the movie is Dr. Fred Alan Wolfe. Read some of his books. His "yoga of time travel" and "parallel universes" are fascinating reads and he is a real nice guy as well.

Kevin

[jub jub]

But quantum physics is 50% bull**** IMO. Mostly because almost all of it is unverifiable via experiments. That's why it's so appealing to scientists. Some scientist can just come up with an outrageous concept and even if 100 other scientists think it's absolute BS, they just lump it in with quantum physics and everyone shuts up.
Kevin

I own the movie as well but I agree with you 100%, it's a mind stretch some of the theory they propose.

[James S]

But quantum physics is 50% bull**** IMO. Mostly because almost all of it is unverifiable via experiments.

Hmmm...
The problem I see with that opinion is a lot of quantum physics HAS been verified. Medical imaging equipment such as the MRI and SQuID were developed thanks to verified quantum theories. One of the most important aspects of Unified Field Theory -  Quantum Entanglement has now been repeatedly verified in "real world" experiments.

And as to the theory that we create the world around us... well I've been experimenting and proving that in my life repeatedly.

Don't knock it jut because it's different to what's come before. Newtonian physics was given the same treatment when it first came on the scene. Galileo was treated as a heretic for his theories and observations, but he was right.

Blessings,
James.

[mactombs]

And as to the theory that we create the world around us... well I've been experimenting and proving that in my life repeatedly.

Would you mind expounding on that? This sounds very interesting to me. I know that we create our own reality from a psychological standpoint, which also directly affects the people we attract to us, and a great deal more things down to employment, etc.

[stone]

Not sure if this has been posted here.. but it's a clip from the extended version of "What the bleep?".  It's a video regarding the famous/notorious "Double Slit" experiment...  

I'll warn ya though... it may just blow your mind wide open.

Enjoy.

http://www.whatthebleep.com/trailer/doubleslit.wm.low.html

[jub jub]

Not sure if this has been posted here.. but it's a clip from the extended version of "What the bleep?".  It's a video regarding the famous/notorious "Double Slit" experiment...  

I'll warn ya though... it may just blow your mind wide open.

Enjoy.

http://www.whatthebleep.com/trailer/doubleslit.wm.low.html

Thanks for the link. That segment was not in the DVD version that I have and sure helps to illustrate "wave particle duality". So remember, be careful of what you observe!  

[jalef]

lol, yes this film demonstrates it better than anything i read til now. and i didnt know the observance thing yet, its fascinating!

[James S]

Would you mind expounding on that? This sounds very interesting to me. I know that we create our own reality from a psychological standpoint, which also directly affects the people we attract to us, and a great deal more things down to employment, etc.

Hi Mactombs,

You could look at it as energy statements - cause and effect. We are working on an energy level all the time, mostly because we are in fact energy, just packed together densly enough to be (or appear) solid.
The Universe responds to our energy output, our energy statements, and through the basic principals like "cause and effect", and "like attracts like" (there's probably a more technical term for that one but I cant tell you what it is right now), it returns to us "like energies".

When you put out the energy statements, typically through things like positive affirmations, those energies are then returned to you as the effect.  The exact same thing happens with our fears. So often people manifest the very thing they fear because that is the energy statement they are putting out.

When I've aligned my thoughts and energies to manifesting positive changes in my life, those changes have always come about, sometimes in truly unexpected ways.

In recent times after losing a job (admittedly one that I couldn't stand), I put forward affirmations for financial security and a form of work that I could really enjoy.
Unexpectedly, the admin assistant at the spiritual learning intitute where I now work demanded an unreasonably large pay rise. When the founder of the institute refused it, the assistant threw a tantrum and left. She had a fear of not having enough money. She made that fear into a reality by acting rashly and concequently losing her job. I ended up being asked to fill the position, and I've been having an absolutely wonderful (and well paid) time there ever since.

Quantum physics is seeking to understand this phenomenon, and when we understand that we really do work on an energy level all the time, and that all energies are ultimately connected, it all starts making sense.

Blessings,
James.

[James S]

Stone,

Thanks for the link! I've seen What the Bleep, but not the extended version. That was brilliant.  

This supports the early work done by one of the fathers of quantum physics - Erwin Schrödinger (the guy with the cat).

So remember, be careful of what you observe!

Hehe... Makes me think - anything is possible, as long as you're not looking!  

[sirius black]

Not sure if this has been posted here.. but it's a clip from the extended version of "What the bleep?".  It's a video regarding the famous/notorious "Double Slit" experiment...  

I'll warn ya though... it may just blow your mind wide open.

Enjoy.

http://www.whatthebleep.com/trailer/doubleslit.wm.low.html

Thanks for the link. That segment was not in the DVD version that I have and sure helps to illustrate "wave particle duality". So remember, be careful of what you observe!  

it's in what the bleep: down the rabbit hole

it's a remake of the original movie with additional segments(like the double slit experiment)