possible 'focus 4' related experience

[Gandalf]

I had a very odd lucid dream the other night.

I became lucid and found myself surrounded in white light, or perhaps a variety of lights.

I was being lectured to by a disembodied voice about how I was only one of a multitude of different versions of 'me' i.e. other 'focuses' of me in different time-lines and periods.

The voice was telling how all these other 'me's were indeed me but simply living other lives *simultaneously*, which gels with Frank's recent findings as well as the Seth books, although I haven't read the later as yet.

I was told how eventually, all these other versions of 'me' including myself will eventually come into 'full awareness' of my total self, or what is being called 'focus 4', although only when I am completely ready to do so, at my own pace.
I was given the option of trying this out temporarily myself there and then, but even in my partially lucid state, I felt too apprehensive about going that far so resisted the urge, as it is a pretty far out experience from what Frank was describing, and that may be the biggest understatement in history.

However, I do get the feeling that I will be ready to do this one day in the not to distant future and I am planning to work towards that goal.

During the experience I did feel I was becoming aware of the multitude of other 'me's out there, even if only faintly. I guess that in the complete focus 4 state, you are aware of all your myriad lives here as well as elsewhere.



Talking of multiple lives, this re-interpretation of re-incarnation, where although we do indeed have multiple lives, they are experienced at the same time rather than sequentially, is quite something to get my head round, although it is starting to make more sense.

In my view this doesn't take any value away from past life regression therapy, as I believe it is indeed possible to access all your other lives, even although they are happening simultaneously, due to the fact that the regression takes you to a point in null time, or the part of you that resides outside of space-time, where although you are still living these lives, you can still review them all from start to finish. Due to this strange effect, I still think it is possible for events in other lives to affect us in this life, particularly if it is some kind of traumatic event; for this to happen there has to be some kind of (still unknown) close connection that links your 'current' life with that other one, allowing this bleed-through to occur.

Past life regression and therapy is still valuable in my view, in order to resolve some of these issues, even if I disagree with the therapist's view on the actual mechanics of how multiple lives work in practice.

Doug

[interception]

Fascinating.

I was being lectured to by a disembodied voice

Could this voice just also have been you?

The voice was telling how all these other 'me's were indeed me but simply living other lives *simultaneously*, which gels with Frank's recent findings as well as the Seth books, although I haven't read the later as yet.

I really like this approach. Makes sense to me.

During the experience I did feel I was becoming aware of the multitude of other 'me's out there,

Fascinating.  

I guess that in the complete focus 4 state, you are aware of all your myriad lives here as well as elsewhere.

And what an experience that must be. You probably wont be the quite the same after something like that...

[Tombo]

I had a very odd lucid dream the other night.

I became lucid and found myself surrounded in white light, or perhaps a variety of lights.

I was being lectured to by a disembodied voice about how I was only one of a multitude of different versions of 'me' i.e. other 'focuses' of me in different time-lines and periods.

The voice was telling how all these other 'me's were indeed me but simply living other lives *simultaneously*, which gels with Frank's recent findings as well as the Seth books, although I haven't read the later as yet.

I was told how eventually, all these other versions of 'me' including myself will eventually come into 'full awareness' of my total self, or what is being called 'focus 4', although only when I am completely ready to do so, at my own pace.
I was given the option of trying this out temporarily myself there and then, but even in my partially lucid state, I felt too apprehensive about going that far so resisted the urge, as it is a pretty far out experience from what Frank was describing, and that may be the biggest understatement in history.

However, I do get the feeling that I will be ready to do this one day in the not to distant future and I am planning to work towards that goal.

During the experience I did feel I was becoming aware of the multitude of other 'me's out there, even if only faintly. I guess that in the complete focus 4 state, you are aware of all your myriad lives here as well as elsewhere.



Talking of multiple lives, this re-interpretation of re-incarnation, where although we do indeed have multiple lives, they are experienced at the same time rather than sequentially, is quite something to get my head round, although it is starting to make more sense.

In my view this doesn't take any value away from past life regression therapy, as I believe it is indeed possible to access all your other lives, even although they are happening simultaneously, due to the fact that the regression takes you to a point in null time, or the part of you that resides outside of space-time, where although you are still living these lives, you can still review them all from start to finish. Due to this strange effect, I still think it is possible for events in other lives to affect us in this life, particularly if it is some kind of traumatic event; for this to happen there has to be some kind of (still unknown) close connection that links your 'current' life with that other one, allowing this bleed-through to occur.

Past life regression and therapy is still valuable in my view, in order to resolve some of these issues, even if I disagree with the therapist's view on the actual mechanics of how multiple lives work in practice.

Doug

Very interesting! have you yet found a way to induce such experiences by will or does it only happen spontanously?

[NickJW]

Perhaps time is only an illusion created by our perception, therefore your other yous maybe aren't living in our sense of linear time, but in the ense that time dosen't exist therefore all time is occuring simultaneously is what makes your statements true. Interesting experience sounds like a low F4oC experience or perhaps a buffer zone between F3oC and F4oC.

Interesting story.

[Heather B.]

Amazing experience!  I agree that this version of "reincarnation" makes a lot of sense.

Due to this strange effect, I still think it is possible for events in other lives to affect us in this life, particularly if it is some kind of traumatic event; for this to happen there has to be some kind of (still unknown) close connection that links your 'current' life with that other one, allowing this bleed-through to occur.

You know, a while back, I thought about this same thing, and thought it would make an awesome story!  I was thinking of writing about (supposedly) different characters whose lives parallel each other, but also have times when they intersect, and times when they diverge... and how together they really make up one whole, complete person and one whole, complete life story.

Yeah, it's really ambitious, but I think just exploring the ideas would be beneficial for me.  And hey, who knows, those "characters" really could be other me's!  :mrgreen:  I wouldn't be surprised if writing could be one means of tuning into those other people and other lives.  Anything I write, and any characters I create, are really just parts of myself, after all.

[CFTraveler]

Gives a new meaning to re-integration.

[Gandalf]

Hey Mrs Murphy!

That is a great idea, I think you should consider writing such a story!

It makes sense to me that as our lives are being lived in a variety of different time periods, it is no wonder that we think of them in a linear sequence, and it may only be recently that people have begun to work out what actually happens.

As our long held linear perception of reinacarnation is so focused on the past, this may be why the vast majority of accounts deal with 'past' lives. maybe once people realise that our lives cover a broad spectrum of time, we will begin to see more 'future' life accounts.

Unfortunately there is a new issue which may complicate matters and that is the theory of parallel universes or timelines.  Frank's latest findings seem to suggest that we ALSO experience lives in a whole multitude of parallel earth timelines as well as our own.  
You can imagine the headache involved in any kind of verification then, as any accounts we have of past events or indeed the future may actually be those of alternate timelines, not our own, so just because someone's account of the past or the future is not quite accurate from our point of view, that may not mean it is not true!

For example, much has been made of Seth's 'historical error' when he claims he was a pope leading armies during the 4th century ad.
Now, popes at that time did not have that kind of power, therefore discrediting Seth in many people's eyes. However, what if this WAS true in Seth's own experience which may have occured in a very close but parallel timeline.

Some timelines may be so close to ours that the difference is minimal, others may be so radically different as to be unrecognisable, ie ones where the Germans won the war, or an industrial revolution occured in the roman empire (which was possible), or indeed that it was the Carthaginian empire that eventially became dominant, not the Roman one etc etc.

It seems to me therefore, that trying to 'verify' past lives (or multiple lives) is always going to be difficult.

Doug





Doug

[Lighthouse]

Doug,

I have recently come to the realization that I am indeed the creator of my experience.  I have taught this for a while, but never embodied it.  This past week, I had a realization that indeed this is true.  

The realization was that in essence, we are Love, and One Unified body.  We (for lack of a better word)  have chosen to create an illusion where we are divinded into mulitple facets (which we call things... anything you can touch, feel, see, sense) All of these things are based on our collective and seeming individual consciousness.  The only thing that is real is our Unity, everything else is based on perception which is an illusion.

It got me thinking that since I create my reality, there are many different reality's I may wish to create.  The mind is what creates and is our tool for creation.  Since at any given moment, I may choose one thought over another, there are many different "tracks" I may choose to take.  For example, lets say you are playing a video game, there are many different things you may do with your character.  The character is the same, but the experiences the character may have can be different.  

My mind (your mind, our mind which is our One consciousness) is playing the game and we as characters in the game act according to the direction our mind chooses for us to act.  We can choose different thoughts and therefore, choose different experiences.  

I can choose throught my thoughts to live a life of destitution and depression if I want, or I can choose to live a life of richness, love and Joy if I want, the choice is up to me.  I am the character in my experience and my mind is the joystick.  

Given this model, there can be infinite levels of creation we may choose to experience.  We may also at any time, choose to experience a different level of experience than we have been playing and may play our character differently than we have in the past.  If we have chosen to live a life of destitution up until now, at any moment, we can change our characters experience and do something differently.  We can switch tracks so to speak.  I think this is what your dream was telling you.

Very cool dream by the way.

Kerri

[Heather B.]

I like Kerri's analogy! :thumbsup:

I can also say that I've noticed quite a lot of times where my life has mirrored the lives of characters in various stories I've written.  As opposed to the other way around!  It's gotten to the point where I can't help but think that I literally write my own story!

So... even if I don't always write happy stories (no story is ever all happy), I always, always write happy endings.  Maybe not fairy-tale happy endings, but happy nonetheless, in one way or another.  :mrgreen:

[Ben K]

Hey Mrs Murphy!

That is a great idea, I think you should consider writing such a story!

It makes sense to me that as our lives are being lived in a variety of different time periods, it is no wonder that we think of them in a linear sequence, and it may only be recently that people have begun to work out what actually happens.

As our long held linear perception of reinacarnation is so focused on the past, this may be why the vast majority of accounts deal with 'past' lives. maybe once people realise that our lives cover a broad spectrum of time, we will begin to see more 'future' life accounts.

Great points. Altough i would like to add that perhaps the reason we dont see any "future lives" is precisely because all of our physcial lives are happening at once. so it would make sense no one could access something that, to our minds, and to the minds of our other focuses- hasnt happened yet.

When people literally see the "past" such as when they see a past life out of the 1800s or 1700s they could simply be accessing the memories of one of their other focuses. naturally they couldnt access any information from the "future" because for all intents and purposes, the "future" hasnt happened yet. and maybe all these "future" experiences people have are just scenarios taking into account probability and not fact. ive heard alot of talk about "probability" when it comes to quantam mechanics and im sure that leaks into the macro-verse as well.

just a thought.

Unfortunately there is a new issue which may complicate matters and that is the theory of parallel universes or timelines.  Frank's latest findings seem to suggest that we ALSO experience lives in a whole multitude of parallel earth timelines as well as our own.  
You can imagine the headache involved in any kind of verification then, as any accounts we have of past events or indeed the future may actually be those of alternate timelines, not our own, so just because someone's account of the past or the future is not quite accurate from our point of view, that may not mean it is not true!

For example, much has been made of Seth's 'historical error' when he claims he was a pope leading armies during the 4th century ad.
Now, popes at that time did not have that kind of power, therefore discrediting Seth in many people's eyes. However, what if this WAS true in Seth's own experience which may have occured in a very close but parallel timeline.

Exactly! Ive thought the same things. I dont think the future is set in stone.

we always have free will. so any projection of the future in my mind is just a projection of probabilities.

[NickJW]

and each one of those probabilties is another alternate universe. I think that future lives are also occuring simultaneously though, just as past lives are. It seems like time is linear but its not, its a matter of perception and all of your lives, past or future, are all happening at the same time.

[malganis]

i heard this analogy of time by a yogi a while ago.

Imagine you are in museum, lights off and you are moving from one exhibit to another with your candle. The one you see is your present, exhibits you have already seen is past and the remaining you haven't seen yet is future.
But if you would turn the lights on you would see all exhibits at once.

[Tombo]

Doug,

I have recently come to the realization that I am indeed the creator of my experience.  I have taught this for a while, but never embodied it.  This past week, I had a realization that indeed this is true.  

The realization was that in essence, we are Love, and One Unified body.  We (for lack of a better word)  have chosen to create an illusion where we are divinded into mulitple facets (which we call things... anything you can touch, feel, see, sense) All of these things are based on our collective and seeming individual consciousness.  The only thing that is real is our Unity, everything else is based on perception which is an illusion.

It got me thinking that since I create my reality, there are many different reality's I may wish to create.  The mind is what creates and is our tool for creation.  Since at any given moment, I may choose one thought over another, there are many different "tracks" I may choose to take.  For example, lets say you are playing a video game, there are many different things you may do with your character.  The character is the same, but the experiences the character may have can be different.  

My mind (your mind, our mind which is our One consciousness) is playing the game and we as characters in the game act according to the direction our mind chooses for us to act.  We can choose different thoughts and therefore, choose different experiences.  

I can choose throught my thoughts to live a life of destitution and depression if I want, or I can choose to live a life of richness, love and Joy if I want, the choice is up to me.  I am the character in my experience and my mind is the joystick.  

Given this model, there can be infinite levels of creation we may choose to experience.  We may also at any time, choose to experience a different level of experience than we have been playing and may play our character differently than we have in the past.  If we have chosen to live a life of destitution up until now, at any moment, we can change our characters experience and do something differently.  We can switch tracks so to speak.  I think this is what your dream was telling you.

Very cool dream by the way.

Kerri

hello Kerri

Do you have any idea/knowledge as why we choose to create this illusion.
And: Do we really have a choice? I mean I'm not aware of the fact that I create my world therefore It seems kind of odd to me to say I/We choose it to be that way.

[Lighthouse]

Tombo:

:multiblob:  It's the only game in town.  When we realize we are making it all up, then we can start having fun with it.

[Tombo]

Tombo:

:multiblob:  It's the only game in town.  When we realize we are making it all up, then we can start having fun with it.

lol! And how can we truely realize it?

[Lighthouse]

Tombo,

I felt like this was going to start taking over Gandalfs thread and sending it in a direction that perhaps he didn't intend so I decided to start a new thread under Spiritual Evolution for the purposes of where I think this is leading.  here's the link
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=185648#185648

Kerri