Is astral permanent?

[cobalt]

Does stuff you do, things you change there stay? Or its like dreams, "reset" every time, or you can continiue something you began in astral, or you shouldnt expect to get "kicked in" the same enviroment again...

[CFTraveler]

Well, when I OBE the RTZ (my house) usually looks the same, but when I go 'astral' (I like to call it 'somewhere else') it usually looks like regular places but not the same each time.  The last time I was flying in a disneylike environment and the time before 'outer (inner?) space.'  I have gone to the same place more than once, but mostly changing environments.

[Van-Stolin]

Depends on how stable the area is.  Some areas I have been in have been the same all the time, but others are changing really fast.  

Sometimes you can find yourself in an area that snows, go back there and it is the middle of spring and it is sunny, even if it is on a very high moutain.

I have had dreams pick up where they left off though.  Which is really weird.

[AstralBorn]

Ok, First of all with dreams... The Dream world is one big place... everyone goes to the same place when they dream... so waking up does not change anything, and it does not "reset" anything... stuff there stays how it is untill it is changed by someone or somthing...

As for Astral... That allso stays there untill changed by someone or somthing... if someone desides somthing you did doesnot belong they will get rid of it... if it is ok, it could be left there.

Physical world, Dream world, Astral world... it will allways stay where it is unless someone chooses to change it...

-AstralBorn

[Porkchoppiglet]

Hey ya'll

Do you think it would be possible that if person x projected to place A and person y projected to place A as well, would they perceive the environment the same??Or not?

If so, then I had a theory that there are constantly beings or spirits in the astral world who either alter the scenery or whatever at their will, or like estate agents (LOL) who kind of keep making and changing scenery, I know this is a bizarre concept.

Or do you just think its all in our head?

Cheers

[Arn de Gothia]

Is there really a difference between the "dreamworld" and the "astral world"

[AstralBorn]

Arn de Gothia, Yes, there is a dif...
For starters they are in two compleatly different universes...
And one you can have compleat controle over, and one you can only influence...
Of corse you are going to have others saying different,
But, Like allways... Im right there wrong
Seriously... If one takes the time to fully explore them, They will see that it is correct,

-AstralBorn

[Van-Stolin]

I would say that both people would persive it the same.  I have met my friend in the Astral before and we both described the place.

That and there is the Astral Pulse Island that was made by members here.

[Ben K]

Going by franks focus levels, if you create a structure in F3oC, the common area of consciousness, it will stay until someone changes it.

You could probably do the same thing in F2oC with some practice.

[Gandalf]

Yup, things actually get MORE solid and stable the 'higher' or more exactly, the WIDER you go. So the upper levels of the astral, Monroe's belief system areas at focus 24/25/26 and up to f27 are very stable (these areas all equate to Frank's upper focus 3).  It is your 'lower' f2 level or what is more usually called the dreamworld, that is far more fluid.

The trick is to learn to become more emotionally stable yourself while exploring and you will soon be able to access the 'astral proper' as opposed to crappy dream environments which are prone to all kinds of fluctuations as you will witness during any given nights sleep.

Anything created in the astral proper stays until changed and it is also open to anyone, which is why some people get shocked when they leave their created astral environments for a while only to come back and find strange people hanging around there! This was noticed during the ongoing experiments with the 'astral pulse island' environment for example. People are reporting all kinds of weirdos hanging round there now (and these people are not just the projectors!).


Doug