Another...what? moment...

[Nay]

Good Morning ya'll.  

I had a interesting experience this morning and I thought I'd share, to help aid in the sharing side of things.  

Same'ole, same'ole beginning... I woke up early, spoke to hubby and decided it felt right for a morning jaunt.   I'm getting a lot better with being able to by-pass the RTZ and am in agreement when I read others talking about the "going within" business.   The RTZ is more of a "reaching out" type thing...anyhoo..

I right away found myself in a medium sized town, with no paved roads, mostly dirt, grass and the buildings looked to be early to mid 1800's.   It had a commercial and industrial feel to it and in the middle of this town was a big courtyard....oh, and when I first got there, it was deserted.  

I just started walking through town until I came across the courtyard.  I started feeling others around and a few people came out of no where.   Believe it or not, they were practicing flying...but it looked more like they were levitating to me, because they were in a standing position and in a variety of heights.   Of course this looked totally fun to me and wanted to join in!

I've done this type of flying but it is hard for some reason, it seems I don't control it as well and I usually going shooting off like a rocket!   The superman pose is much more to my liking but I really wanted to nail this.  I did pretty darn good!   I was floating around 4ft and then started moving forward and just having a blast.  I messed around with the height a bit and did well again, a bit wobbly sometimes and I would float slowly back down but I got right back up as soon as I concentrated.  

I then remembered this store I saw while walking around and recall seeing on the very top of it, above the door, this giant sized shadow box filled with things that I couldn't make out from ground level........ yep, you guessed it, off I went flying to find that store.  

I found it in no time and floated slowy up to the box.  I then started getting wobbly and reached out to keep myself steady, only to almost pull the whole damn thang right off the building!   Ok..that's when I noticed there was an owner of the store and I was getting some angry vibes from her....*snicker*  she was plump but hardy and was wearing a white blouse and dark floor length skirt... I know this btw, because immediately after feeling her vibes I was on the ground looking at her!   I swear it was almost like she pulled me there.  But of course I went on about my business and didn't even say a word to her...  I really should try and be a bit more polite next time

I floated back to the courtyard to find the same people doing the same thing, so I figured, when in Rome....   I was up a good 7ft when I noticed almost straight ahead of me, but on the ground mind you, a gentleman.  I didn't want to call him that in my head, but that is what I kept getting.. gentleman  So, I figured he wanted me to consider him that but yet he was dressed all in black with jet black hair and gave off some menacing feelings..

I wasn't scared, infact now that I think about it, I wasn't scared at any point...just really...focused.   Next thing I know, he is flying at me at a great speed, jumps on me, pulls me to the ground, gets on top of me and  holds me down.  He gets my mouth open, but without using his hands.   Take that however you want to, cause I'm not even sure....I've never had it happen. *shrugs*

I then know he is going to attempt to bite my friggin tongue out.  His head comes down and he clamps down on my tongue, I felt nothing and I actually questioned that in my mind, for a split second.   I can't explain this...but it's like I'm thinking so fast,  yet I'm not thinking at all and just reacting... does that make sense??  But I digress.  He was going to pull back his head, with part of my tongue in his mouth.  You see, it wasn't quite bitten off completely and he knew this.  

Here's the funny part...well, at least to me it is.   I took my right hand* grabbed the back of his head and pressed it even harder to my mouth.  He couldn't get away and at that very moment the tables were turned.  His fear was instantaneous... I couldn't see squat because of his face right on my face but I could just imagine his eyes popping out of his head!   He attempted to pull away a few times.  At this point,  he melted away and I popped my eyes open and was looking at my ceiling.

EEKS!  I didn't realize how long that was, sorry bout that.  See what cha get for hangin out in the PSD forum? :death:    Seriously though... this only goes to show me that if I got that type of stuff on the brain, it's gonna show up some where in there.  And I was having fun and minding my own business.

*I put that asterisk there because I wanted to comment that in the RTZ I seem to use my left hand all the time (I'm right handed) like a mirror effect, but interesting I used my right hand.  

Have a good one!

Nay

[CFTraveler]

I floated back to the courtyard to find the same people doing the same thing, so I figured, when in Rome.... I was up a good 7ft when I noticed almost straight ahead of me, but on the ground mind you, a gentleman. I didn't want to call him that in my head, but that is what I kept getting.. gentleman So, I figured he wanted me to consider him that but yet he was dressed all in black with jet black hair and gave off some menacing feelings..

I wasn't scared, infact now that I think about it, I wasn't scared at any point...just really...focused. Next thing I know, he is flying at me at a great speed, jumps on me, pulls me to the ground, gets on top of me and holds me down. He gets my mouth open, but without using his hands. Take that however you want to, cause I'm not even sure....I've never had it happen. *shrugs*

I then know he is going to attempt to bite my friggin tongue out. His head comes down and he clamps down on my tongue, I felt nothing and I actually questioned that in my mind, for a split second. I can't explain this...but it's like I'm thinking so fast, yet I'm not thinking at all and just reacting... does that make sense?? But I digress. He was going to pull back his head, with part of my tongue in his mouth. You see, it wasn't quite bitten off completely and he knew this.

Here's the funny part...well, at least to me it is. I took my right hand* grabbed the back of his head and pressed it even harder to my mouth. He couldn't get away and at that very moment the tables were turned. His fear was instantaneous... I couldn't see squat because of his face right on my face but I could just imagine his eyes popping out of his head!  He attempted to pull away a few times. At this point, he melted away and I popped my eyes open and was looking at my ceiling.

 :nervous:

*I put that asterisk there because I wanted to comment that in the RTZ I seem to use my left hand all the time (I'm right handed) like a mirror effect

Interesting.  I'll keep my eyes open for that effect.

[wantsumrice]

Interesting experience lol.  I'm not really an AP'er, nor a LD'er, but is it really hard to control your flying?  Or, do you have limited control over it?

PS:  You shoulda bit his head off    

[Nay]

CF, I would like to hear what you come up with.

Wantsumrice, sometimes yes it is.  I wasn't dreaming.  I laid down and did my normal meditations that I've been doing for some time now, and in about fifteen minutes I was zooming along and then standing in an a deserted town.  No big deal... I see you had a projection, congrats!

Perhaps next time I will pepper my post with F-3, F-4, R2-D2 and C3-PO, I might get more remarks..

Ah, well such is life.  

Nay

[Selski]

Hi Nay

It's great to read your accounts - you haven't posted anything 'juicy' in a while and I, for one, appreciate it.  I like to read about other experiences, aside from mine.  So thank you for sharing.  

I'm getting a lot better with being able to by-pass the RTZ and am in agreement when I read others talking about the "going within" business.   The RTZ is more of a "reaching out" type thing...anyhoo..

I was getting better at bypassing the RTZ, but in the last week or so, I seem to be having more RTZ experiences.  I find them so frustrating - they're all too brief for my liking.

I floated back to the courtyard to find the same people doing the same thing, so I figured, when in Rome....   I was up a good 7ft when I noticed almost straight ahead of me, but on the ground mind you, a gentleman.  I didn't want to call him that in my head, but that is what I kept getting.. gentleman  So, I figured he wanted me to consider him that but yet he was dressed all in black with jet black hair and gave off some menacing feelings..

Interesting that the "gentleman" seemed to have some sort of power over you.  I've had men try this but so far *touch wood* I've never been at their mercy.

I then know he is going to attempt to bite my friggin tongue out.  His head comes down and he clamps down on my tongue, I felt nothing and I actually questioned that in my mind, for a split second.   I can't explain this...but it's like I'm thinking so fast,  yet I'm not thinking at all and just reacting... does that make sense??  But I digress.  He was going to pull back his head, with part of my tongue in his mouth.  You see, it wasn't quite bitten off completely and he knew this.

That's horrid.  I think I'd be pretty scared by now.  You did great by not being scared.  I do know exactly what you mean about thinking and not thinking, just reacting.   It's hard to describe, but I do understand you fully.  Yeuch, you do have just as weird things as me!!  

Here's the funny part...well, at least to me it is.   I took my right hand* grabbed the back of his head and pressed it even harder to my mouth.  He couldn't get away and at that very moment the tables were turned.  His fear was instantaneous... I couldn't see squat because of his face right on my face but I could just imagine his eyes popping out of his head!   He attempted to pull away a few times.  At this point,  he melted away and I popped my eyes open and was looking at my ceiling.

That's brilliant!  You star!  It just shows (to me, anyway) that as soon as you start to take control of a seemingly "no-hope" situation, the fear-image dissipates and you've triumphed.  Nice one!

Keep posting Nay - you'll get more responses - after all, it was only yesterday when you first posted it.  I was always going to respond, but I like to think about it first before I go barging in.  So I took your experience away with me and mulled it over for a while.  

Sarah

[Nay]

No worries, I was beginning to think no one making sense of my post seeings how I don't mention any Focus levels.  

I'm relieved someone else understands the wicked fast thoughts..

Thanks,

Nay

[Selski]

Hi Nay

The focus levels (Frank's model) are really just there to give you a rough idea of where you are in the grand scheme of things, and to enable us to hopefully start defining our experiences in a more user-friendly way.  

I use Frank's model because it's the easiest (in my opinion), even though it took me a while to really get to grips with it – despite there being only 4 focuses.  

I guess using the model is going to attract other members who also understand and use the same model – it's not necessarily going to get the most responses.  

Rather that fit my experiences into Frank's model, I rather fit the model around an experience.  Which sometimes means I 'bend' the model.  For instance, Frank says that RTZ OBEs are F1.  I don't go along with this – according to my experience, they are F2.  His model isn't fixed in stone – at least it shouldn't be anyway.  My recent experience in the shopping complex I believe was F3, but with F2 overlays.  And my meditation experiences tend to be a mixture of F1/F2/F3, in all variations.  

I used to be timid about classifying my experiences, in case I got it wrong.  But I think you have to start somewhere so you can at least try to make some headway in the wider reality.  So, based on Frank's model, I'm starting to 'label' my experiences.  

F2 has been the most incredible revelation about the model, in my opinion.  I've deliberately spent a lot of time in F2, playing around with this and that, knowing it was F2.  It has made it helpful when I have managed to visit F3 – I now can recognise the difference quite easily, insomuch that I intuitively "know" I'm not in F2 anymore.  

And Frank only went up to F4.  I believe (although this isn't based on any actual experience yet) that we can go further.  Just you wait until I post an experience where I visited F5!!  :drive:

Frank had over 20 years experience of the wider reality.  I've only had 3 so far, and with what he has left us, I sincerely hope that in 20 years' time, I will have at least come to a better and fuller understanding of the levels, and with my ever curious nature, perhaps I might discover things that even Frank couldn't have dreamed of.

That's the plan anyhow.

I concur with Buzz Lightyear – To infinity... and beyond!!

Sarah

[Nay]

I guess I'm just used to the old school way, my old way..lol...but eh, doesn't matter.  

I'm really beginning to believe that there is just no two same experiences, just like everyone has different finger prints.  You'll find very close similarities but never exact.

I like to think I have over 20 years experience too, in fact I do, but does it count?  Because back then I didn't know I was getting the experience... I didn't know that I was learning, discovering and building up to these past few years, but here it is.

I guess I should start naming things and trying to take notice of what Focus level I'm in.............tehehe...Nahhh.     Kidding aside, I think it's great that the levels have helped you and others, I just don't feel the need to tag and title...yet.   I do understand why though.

Nay  

[Selski]

I like to think I have over 20 years experience too, in fact I do, but does it count?  

Of course it counts!  

A few questions if you don't mind   :nod:  

All of the answers should be based on your own personal experiences.

Have you ever been to the same place more than once?  

If so, was it the same as last time (as in the same buildings etc)?  

Are you able to go back to a place you have already visited?

If so, is it relatively easy to do so?

I'm quite curious about this.  I've not had that many F3 (sorry) experiences and so all mine have been in different environments.  However, someone with over 20 years of experience in their pocket might know that you can revisit a place.  

I'd love to be able to visit, say, the shopping complex again and see if the bar and hairdresser are still there, in the same place etc. etc.  I could then perhaps get the names of the shops and so on.  That's my ideal.  However I think that calls for a lot more control.  I tend not to look at signs/words/names - I'm normally too focused on myself  

I'm looking forward to your response on this one!  

Lots of love and hugs

Sarah  :hippy1:

[Nay]

LOL..uh oh, Sarah is questioning me..

Have you ever been to the same place more than once?

Yes I have.  

If so, was it the same as last time (as in the same buildings etc)?

Yes, for the most part...once I did find a trap door above the two thrones that are up at the top of the stairs.  But my beach house totally encased in glass has stayed the same.  

Are you able to go back to a place you have already visited?

Yes.  A lot of times I don't even think about it, I just show up there.  They are wonderful places to visit, I feel so happy and content while there.  Oh, except there's that Graveyard I kept going back to over and over and over, for YEARS as a child.  I posted about that one too..I think. hehe

'd love to be able to visit, say, the shopping complex again and see if the bar and hairdresser are still there, in the same place etc. etc. I could then perhaps get the names of the shops and so on. That's my ideal. However I think that calls for a lot more control. I tend not to look at signs/words/names - I'm normally too focused on myself

I've been to plenty of different shopping centers!  I believe I've even posted about one or two of them.  They vary in themes though..lol  I've seen zombies, kids, adults and I've even found my brother walking around causing problems!  I was looking for a person whom used to frequent the Astral Pulse but found him instead.  He was too busy looking for a bar and a fight to help me...typical big brother.  

Looking at signs and whatnots are still some times hard for me.  I've certaintly gotten better at it.  I think the difference for me is when I'm dreaming, things are a lot harder to focus on, plus if you're barely lucid you don't even think about it.  But the minute it becomes a projection, WAM!  I'm noticing every little detail, all that I can take in!  That's were that super fast thinking comes in for me.

Did I answer your questions?  

Pssst..I see you got to use that hippy emoticon..HEHHEHE..

Take Care,

:peace:

[Porkchoppiglet]

Hey ya'll

Sorry for my interuption into ur convo, but what EXACTLY is RTZ?? I know just about all the other terms but not RTZ, and whenever I read your guys posts, which is lot, i always try and make out what it means, and end up sitting here forever just trying to figure it out, so could you please tell me for once what it means??

Thanx alot, REALLY appreciated

Cheers ya

[Nay]

Hehehe..no problem Porkchoppiglet... you mind if I call you, PC?  yikes with the long name.

RTZ is Real Time Zone.  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17476 enjoy.

Nay

[Selski]

Hi Nay

Thanks for the answers - they're brilliant and just what I wanted to hear  :approve:

However, getting answers tends to lead to more questions, so if you're up for it, would you oblige my enquiring mind...?  

I know you said that you sometimes simply "turn up" at the same place, but when you deliberately want to go back somewhere, how do you do it?  Is it a case of placing intent?

Do you find that you can meet the same people again?  For instance, a shopkeeper.  Do you notice things like that?

The thing is, with the shopping complex, for example, there must be hundreds of thousands of shopping centres out there - how on earth do you get back to the same one?!!

Did I answer your questions?

You certainly did!  Thanks.  Sorry for even more questions, but I suspect that when you reply to these, there'll be more...    

Pssst..I see you got to use that hippy emoticon..HEHHEHE..

Yeah - I thought you'd pick up on that and would appreciate it...  :thumbsup:

Sarah

[Nay]

Hey again Sarah.

I know you said that you sometimes simply "turn up" at the same place, but when you deliberately want to go back somewhere, how do you do it? Is it a case of placing intent?

Yes it is..simple as that.  I constantly have the intended target in my minds eye and I really feel it.  It's almost like I have a split second of nothing then I'm there.  Of course this is me by-passing the RTZ, I can go places from the RTZ, but it usually involves me flying at the speed of light in either complete darkness or a tunnel like surrounding and I don't care for the speed involved...

Do you find that you can meet the same people again? For instance, a shopkeeper. Do you notice things like that?

I actually had to think about this for a few minutes because the places I visit on purpose are houses that seem to be mine, so I don't meet anyone there.  And to answer your next question about the mall, I said there were different themes going on, so I see different people each time, plus I've never went to a mall on purpose so I can't answer that one.  

When I mentioned I found my brother at a mall but I was looking for my friend, it wasn't me concentrating on the Mall,  I was concentrating on my friend.  I was pulled to that location.   That happened twice actually!  I just remembered..hehe.  Another time I focused on him and found him on a dance floor dancing with a group of women!  too funny.. I can't believe I forgotten about that.

I have described a couple of peoples homes without prior knowledge, I thought that was cool.  

Take Care,

Nay

[Selski]

Hi Nay

Thanks so much for this.  I'm going to ponder for a while and I'll come back if I think of any more questions.

I think you've triggered something for me about having the intended target in your minds eye constantly and really feeling it.  

I tend not to concentrate that much and generally simply hope that something will happen...probably down to sheer laziness  

Sarah

[Nay]

You welcome Sarah. :welcome:

I think you've triggered something for me about having the intended target in your minds eye constantly and really feeling it.

Yes, that is important.  I think that's how I got so good at the RTZ, because I would just concentrate on my bedroom and dressing area.  I would in my minds eye, go around and look and touch things.

One time I was doing my normal technique and I allowed my mind to wander and I thought about my daughter, for only a split second, but at that exact split second was when I was pulling out of my body and woosh!  I was standing in my daughters room.  So...the concentration on the intended target is important.

Take Care,

Nay