Achieving Godliness Through Evolution

[The AlphaOmega]

New idea on our own destiny here...
In our own spirituality we view God as a perfect being.  As we read the bible we see countless incidents when God has intervened in ways that go utterly against the laws of nature and physics (not to say he couldn't) to help humanity.  But we don't see it anymore.  Obviously that is open to "interpretation" by various religions trying to hold on to their true God, but on a natural scale, He hasn't shown himself in a while.  But I don't think we give enough justice to humanity itself.  For the most part we feel that we're so low on the food chain, so to speak, that we can't do anything without divine intervention.
But we've come pretty far on our own.  Now there will be discussions of God or spirits or angels giving us intuition that leads us to where we need to go... this is not that forum.  I'm taking the side, for this forum at least, of a humanist.
Never in the history of our existence has their been PROOF of any level of divine intervention.  You are allowed to believe in the bible, book of Mormon, Koran, anything else... but they all come down to faith.  There is no PROOF of it, and you can't discount that because you hold on to hope.
But in the same breath, there is hope.  Think of the human condition.  We have always listened to the more educated and more experienced within our societies.  There's a certain level of respect for the elderly.  So what if God is nothing more than the "eldest"?  This can account for both eternal progression or reincarnation.  
It's a common belief in many religions that God was once similar to us as humans are today.  As humans we make mistakes, and the result is learning and growing from them.  Granted there are many individuals that have made mistakes and destroyed themselves as a result, but if reincarnation is real, then they have the chance to change things and learn from their past life.  If the afterlife is real, then likewise they have the chance to learn and grow from their mistakes as well.
So as God is concerned, what if He is really a higher level of our own selves.  What if God is all perfect and all knowing simply because he has made every mistake, or learned from every mistake, that our universe has to offer?  He may have destroyed Himself in some lives, grown as a result in others, and now, in the scheme of eternity, he has made, learned, and grown from every mistake there is to make, and thus, in our dimension of the physical universe, is incapable of making the same mistakes as we do, because he's made them and knows the solution without hesitation?
Isn't it possible that He is helping us find our path, but not intervening in walking it because in order to reach His level of understanding and divinity, we need to make and fix our own mistakes for ourselves?

[James S]

If we look at the various interpretations of God by the different religions they all have one thing in common: the assumption that God is an entity separate from us, that we somehow have become separate from "him".

So here's my first thought towards this topic...
What if God is not a separate entity from us? What if we never were separated from God?

Blessings,
James.

[Heather B.]

This is a great topic, and one I've thought about my entire life.

I've never related to or believed in the idea I often heard as a child--that God is some distant being in some distant Heaven, vastly separated from humanity.  Even as a child, that didn't make sense to me.  We had to be integrally connected to God, and vice versa.  I've always thought of my soul as a part of God--and every single living thing is its own part of God.

So as God is concerned, what if He is really a higher level of our own selves. What if God is all perfect and all knowing simply because he has made every mistake, or learned from every mistake, that our universe has to offer? He may have destroyed Himself in some lives, grown as a result in others, and now, in the scheme of eternity, he has made, learned, and grown from every mistake there is to make, and thus, in our dimension of the physical universe, is incapable of making the same mistakes as we do, because he's made them and knows the solution without hesitation?

I like this idea, but I believe the process is ever ongoing, and that is the entire reason for our existence--to contribute to the experience, learning, and evolution of God, and hence ourselves.  All those lives God lives--I believe they're our lives.  God is a "higer level" of us in that God is the collective spirit from which we each come and to which we each return.  But not higher in a value sense.  There may be a hierarchy of "size" but not of worth.

Basically, I don't consider God a perfect being.  If God were perfect, I don't think there would be any need for Creation.  You know, I don't see Creation as a one-way street.  God didn't just create us.  God is not the Creator and we the Created.  God created us so that we could create ourselves and ultimately create--and re-create--God.  God created us to be creators as well.  

I think its a big shame that so many people resist being creative and resist using the minds they were given--these are usually people who cling to outdated religions, outdated versions of God, and who are terrified to see God (and themselves) in a new way.  They think that to do so is to challenge God--but in reality, the only thing they challenge is old and very human notions about God.  People always mix up God and religion!  And I think that's a major obstacle for God and humanity.

But, it's part of the process.  Eventually, we'll work through that obstacle too.  The more of us who work through it as individuals, the more we as a whole will work through it.

Sorry if I've rambled on too much... this is one of those things I could probably talk about forever!  I look forward to hearing other thoughts about this.

[Ryuji]

hi,

ok i more or less understand the whole reincarnate, create own reality and such but i have this one question...

how did we separate from God in first place ?
how and why did the reincarnate start ?
whats all this got to do with 'original sin' ?
are there constant new people who must reincarnate or set souls to be
perfected but if so then it will end eventually...

its confusing me to bits hehe.

/me looks for flashlight

Peace and love
Ryu