How many on this board can phase and exit at will?

[jub jub]

I just finished Monroe's book "Journeys out of the body" In his book he makes it seem that he lies down, gets comfortable, does a little jiggle and he's out on a two hour journey! Monroe must have a natural talent for astral travel it seems.

So I was wondering if there are any members on this site that can do the same. If so, what is your success rate? It seems every time I try and phase, I can obtain the vibes but as soon as I try to increase their intensity, they subside. Very frustrating!

So, c'mon folks, share your secrets or failures so we can all learn!

[jub jub]

I recall Monroe mentioning to keep the mind clear during this phase. This seems like a very difficult task, at least at the moment.

Tom, how long are you able to stay out? Am I correct in assuming that during the entire period that you are separated from the body the vibrations are ongoing? I've often wondered if the vibrations are necessary for continued separation. This would explain my short one minute excursions.

I fully understand needing to take a break. I've conditioned my sub conscious to wake me several times during the night and it's making it difficult to get rest full REM sleep. It wouldn't be so bad if I was actually able to separate during these periods but it's "no joy" at the moment, except for the occasional spontaneous OBE.

[mactombs]

I've conditioned my sub conscious to wake me several times during the night

I can do this, too. With my subconscious, though, it says, "You want to OBE, eh? Alright, I'll go trudge down in the basement and round up some horror flicks. Ooh, this one ought to wake you up!"

Nightmares are great tools for lucid dreams/OBEs and multiple session practices. And also for burning calories while you dream.

On topic, though, I haven't managed to OBE at will. I can't just lie down and say, here we go. I imagine, however, if you are able to get vibrations, you're very close. Major Tom is spot-on ... I think you're waking your analytical up when you probably just need to relax more and let it happen.

[jub jub]

I can do this, too. With my subconscious, though, it says, "You want to OBE, eh? Alright, I'll go trudge down in the basement and round up some horror flicks. Ooh, this one ought to wake you up!"

Horror flicks you say? Monroe talked about "demons" and "monsters" in his book. I don't know what I'd do if I came across a NE.  :scared2: Maybe put on the old  :boxing2: and have a crack at them!  :nod:

Nightmares are great tools for lucid dreams/OBEs and multiple session practices. And also for burning calories while you dream.

I'm okay with the multiple session thing but for loosing calories, I'll stick with the gym!  

I'm not sure. The vibrations (energy sensations) hit me without fail in between sleep cycles even while fully awake, or without really doing anything except staying relaxed.

I've noticed the same thing. Sometimes I'll feel the vibes while I'm at work, especially after I eat lunch. I become really relaxed and the vibes will come on, ever so slightly. I often wonder how difficult it would be to be fully conscious and have an OBE. I've read of people experiencing this but it seems the exception rather than the rule.

As a side note, I watched the movie "Contact" last night with Jodie Foster. I was fascinated by the part where she travels to Vega and experiences what seemed to be an OBE of sorts. Very cool and I almost felt like I was along with her for the ride!

[Astralopithicus]

Horror flicks you say? Monroe talked about "demons" and "monsters" in his book. I don't know what I'd do if I came across a NE.  :scared2: Maybe put on the old  :boxing2: and have a crack at them!  :nod:  

Hmm I'm all for ignoring, shooing away the negs but after reading Robert Bruce's book on the subject I would preferably give them a wide berth rather than treat it as a kind of videogame distraction, you could get more than you bargain for. He was almost killed by a particularly powerful demon which possessed him. Thankfully, we are told this is extremely rare and you would have to put yourself deliberately in a dangerous position as he did to have that kind of almost-total possession happen, but it sure made me want treat them with a little respect

[jub jub]

Horror flicks you say? Monroe talked about "demons" and "monsters" in his book. I don't know what I'd do if I came across a NE.  :scared2: Maybe put on the old  :boxing2: and have a crack at them!  :nod:  

Hmm I'm all for ignoring, shooing away the negs but after reading Robert Bruce's book on the subject I would preferably give them a wide berth rather than treat it as a kind of videogame distraction, you could get more than you bargain for. He was almost killed by a particularly powerful demon which possessed him. Thankfully, we are told this is extremely rare and you would have to put yourself deliberately in a dangerous position as he did to have that kind of almost-total possession happen, but it sure made me want treat them with a little respect

I'm sure that if I "really" came across a neg in an OBE, I would probably be scared s**tless and I would think long and hard of trying to OBE again.

I wonder why mactombs would have so many problems with them? Seems like it would sure put a damper on OBEing.

Has anyone experienced negs in the RTZ?

[WarpedReality]

jub jub,

Try just practicing having a completely blank mind and consistently making your way to mind awake body asleep (F10). Once at this state, if you keep your mind blank you will begin to receive some very interesting images/movies/sounds/etc. Eventually you'll get a strong enough of a 'signal' of imagery and you'll be able to phase into it. Don't even worry about vibrations and trying to exit the ol fashioned way. I actually find that vibrations occur when I am not physically/mentally relaxed enough to project.

A great technique is to fall asleep and wake up without any movement whatsoever. You'll be at your prime to phase, OBE, lucid dream, etc. Sometimes I have even awakened from a gentle sleep cycle only to find myself literally slipping out of my body onto the floor.

[Selski]

Hi jub jub

Not quite at will, but if I create certain environments/situations, I am more than likely to OBE/phase/lucid dream.

Getting lots of sleep is a precursor.  Then lying awake at night, not being able to sleep is another.  However, because I have had lots of sleep, I simply lie on my back without a care in the world and relax with the solid intent of OBE.  This "intent" is important I feel.

I have slipped into many a lucid dream from here, where I am then able to dissolve the dream and enter the RTZ or the 'astral'.  

Three lucid dreams this week so far, two that were fundamental to my personal spiritual growth.  One where I ended up in the RTZ.  These three experiences were actually not through lots of sleep, but through having a snoring person next to me, who actually was detrimental to waking me up and keeping me mentally "aware".  Thanks to his snoring - I was able to have these experiences!  

A great technique is to fall asleep and wake up without any movement whatsoever. You'll be at your prime to phase, OBE, lucid dream, etc. Sometimes I have even awakened from a gentle sleep cycle only to find myself literally slipping out of my body onto the floor.

This is a favourite technique of mine (because it's so easy!).  As Warped says, I have often found myself sinking 'through' myself if I remain motionless.

Sarah

[mactombs]

I wonder why mactombs would have so many problems with them? Seems like it would sure put a damper on OBEing.

I don't think that I've ever run into anything that I would qualify as a neg. I seem prone to fear. It doesn't put a damper on OBEing.

What puts a damper on OBEing for me is this worry that OBEs are just the ultimate fantasy, pure escapism, a way to avoid the mess in my own waking life. As far as psychological blocks go, fear of scary things is low on my list.

[WarpedReality]

I wonder why mactombs would have so many problems with them? Seems like it would sure put a damper on OBEing.

I don't think that I've ever run into anything that I would qualify as a neg. I seem prone to fear. It doesn't put a damper on OBEing.

What puts a damper on OBEing for me is this worry that OBEs are just the ultimate fantasy, pure escapism, a way to avoid the mess in my own waking life. As far as psychological blocks go, fear of scary things is low on my list.

Yeah I have the same fear sometimes. However, how is it any different than spending an hour watching television or reading a book? OBEs at least have great personal benefits for myself: I find myself very relaxed afterwards, have a greater awareness of problems that I may choose to concentrate on while in the F10 state and it's fun! So even if this is pure escapism (doubtful but possible), I can pull enough benefits from the experience to make it very worth my while over other alternatives.

[kailaurius]

I've had a few spontaneous OBE's, and I feel I'm close to actively having AP's at will.  I've had many close phasing experiences, especially since I've been working hard on lucid dreaming.  Once I have achieved several successful projections my next goal is to be able to project/travel through the astral and/or rtz at will at any time, even while consciously awake and physically active.

[jub jub]

Three lucid dreams this week so far, two that were fundamental to my personal spiritual growth.  One where I ended up in the RTZ.  These three experiences were actually not through lots of sleep, but through having a snoring person next to me, who actually was detrimental to waking me up and keeping me mentally "aware".  Thanks to his snoring - I was able to have these experiences!  

Sarah

Sarah, believe it or not, I have the same problem with my wife! She snores but the problem I have with her snoring is, I can't fall back to sleep once she wakes me!

Just last night it got so bad I went and slept on the couch! My wife asks me why I don't sleep in the guest bedroom and I tell her the couch is like an old friend who is happy to see me!  Actually, I have better results trying to AP from the couch than anywhere else in the house. Our beds are so comfortable that I rarely wake during the night and if I do, I fall right off to sleep.

[jub jub]

I don't think that I've ever run into anything that I would qualify as a neg. I seem prone to fear. It doesn't put a damper on OBEing.

Call me a "wuss", but just hearing voices while in the hypnogogic state freaks me out! I don't what I'd do if something grabbed me or confronted me!

[mactombs]

Call me a "wuss", but just hearing voices while in the hypnogogic state freaks me out! I don't what I'd do if something grabbed me or confronted me!

It's really not that bad. Emotions are, at least for me, greatly magnified during an OBE. I just remember, don't react to emotions or fear - if something is there, confront it, question its existence - if it persists, ask it what it wants. There was one experience where I wish the "neg" could have answered. Just as I got over my fear (which is easier than you might think, no matter how great the fear) and I began to see it in a neutral perspective, I popped back into-body. I've always wanted to see that ghost again, to have an other chance to talk to it ...

I think you can miss out on learning things if you react to your own fear. Get past it. There's a lot of exploring to do.