Dual Near Death Experience(s)

[David Warner]

Ap Friends,

For awhile now, as I do a lot of studying and research on the near death experience, I've noticed one important element. What about the people who encounter the NDE in a group. This could be from a car accident, fire, war battle etc.

Have there been any accounts with validation of both NDE experiencers of what they saw and accounted for. Just something on the tip of my mind that I started to wonder about. We hear the single case scenarios, but not dual.

Here's one I've been able to find and remarkable:
http://www.near-death.com/group.html


Thank You,

Tvos

[ChineseRoom]

Holy Dionysus. that does look interesting. If this is true, it could be the one piece of evidence that skeptics cant explain away easily (I should know, Im a skeptic). Nice find.

[David Warner]

Ap Friends,

I emailed the sys admin "Kevin Williams" and he supplied excellent resource information on shared NDE's. Here's the the info he supplied.

Tvos

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Shared "Empathetic" NDEs
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Dr. Raymond Moody's continuing research of NDEs, led him to a completely new
phenomenon called the "shared NDE." This is a phenomenon where a NDE is
actually shared by someone who is not dying, but who is emotionally connected
or in close proximity to someone who is concurrently in the "life/death" transition.
These kind of NDEs attain a higher validity when it occurs where there is significant
physical and/or social distance between the two individuals. At no time is there any
indication that the experiencers is himself in any discernible medical distress.
Typically, the experience accompanies an individual who is dying through sudden
and unexpected means, the sense being that of rendering assistance to an otherwise
confused individual.

Read about some examples of shared NDEs here:  
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence09.html

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Shared Deathbed Visions
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Another type of shared death experience is called the "shared deathbed vision"
or SBV. These are visions that dying people have that are shared with others
who are in close proximity to the dying person. These kinds of experiences
are not NDEs, but are a type of deathbed vision or DBV.

See:  http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence09.html
(near the bottom of page) to read about Dr. Joan Borysenko's shared deathbed vision.

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Group NDEs
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A more interesting and rare type of NDE is called the "group near-death
experience". This is a phenomenon where a whole group of people have
a NDE at the same time and location. They see each other outside of
their bodies and have a shared or similar experience. P.M.H. Atwater
gives a definition of a "Group NDE":

"These are rare, but they do occur. With this kind, a whole group of people
simultaneously seems to experience the same or similar episode. What
makes these so spectacular and challenging is that all or most of the
experiencers see each other actually leave their bodies as it happens,
then dialogue with each other and share messages and observations
while still experiencing the near-death state. Their separate reports afterward
either match or nearly so. Reports like these emerge most often from events
of a harrowing nature that involve a lot of people. Shared and group experiences
imply that no matter how sure we are that near-death states mean this or that,
and are the result of whatever, no single idea, theory, or pat answer can
explain them. Even clues from the powerful patterning that researchers like
myself have identified, fail to explain all aspects of the phenomenon."

An important reference to group NDEs is listed in my NDE Evidence page:  
http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html#a28

You can read about the 2 most profound group NDE experiences I have ever found here:
http://www.near-death.com/group.html

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(1)  Group NDE example #1 from NDE researcher Arvin Gibson:
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Source:  http://www.near-death.com/group.html

Excerpt:   In 1996,  Arvin Gibson interviewed a fire-fighter named Jake
who had a most unusual near-death experience while working with other
fire-fighters in a forest. What makes it unique is that it happened at the
same time as several co-workers were also having a near-death
experience. During their near-death experiences, they actually met
each other and saw each other above their lifeless bodies. All survived and
they verified with each other afterwards that the experience actually
happened. Jake's near-death experience was so interesting that Gibson's
local chapter of IANDS invited him to tell his story at one of their meetings.

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(2)  Group NDE example #2 from May Eulitt:
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Source:  http://www.near-death.com/group.html

Excerpt:   During the fall of 1971, May Eulitt shared a near-death experience
with her cousin, James, and his best friend, Rashad, who was from India.
One afternoon the three of them went to the cornfield to cut fodder. While
climbing over the gate to the cornfield, all three were struck by lightning.
Their shared NDE is one of the most interesting NDEs you will ever read.

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Shared Dreams
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This is an excerpt from an article by Hornell Hart entitled "What Could Life Beyond Death by Like?"
at http://www.survivalafterdeath.org/articles/hart/lifebeyond.htm

By the way, this web page has many outstanding articles:
http://www.survivalafterdeath.org/articles.htm

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(1)  A man rescued a female doctor from dream dangers:
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Source: http://www.survivalafterdeath.org/articles/hart/lifebeyond.htm

The first of these three cases is an experience of a woman physician
who was rescued in a dream of terror by a man friend who remembered
independently having dreamed his part in their shared adventure:

'In Elmira, New York, on January 26, 1892, between two and three a.m.,
Dr. Adele Gleason dreamed that she stood in a lonesome place in dark
woods, that great fear came over her, that the presence of her friend,
J. R. Joslyn came to her, that he shook a tree by her, and that its leaves
began to turn to flame. On the same night, at the same hour, in another
house in Elmira, Joslyn dreamed that he found Dr. Gleason in a lonely
wood after dark, apparently paralysed with fear, that he went to her side
and shook a bush, when the falling leaves turned into flame. Both dreamers
submitted written accounts within a month of the occurrence. The accounts
agree that when the two dreamers met, four days after the event, she
mentioned having had a strange dream, but that he at once stopped her
and related his own dream first, without suggestion from her. Dr. Hodgson
made written inquiries and found that Dr. Gleason had made a notation
of the dream in her notebook the morning after it occurred, and before
she saw Joslyn.'

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(2)  These two people conversed in a dream park
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Source: http://www.survivalafterdeath.org/articles/hart/lifebeyond.htm

Our second case is somewhat similar to the first. It occurred in England,
and was promptly documented:

'In July, 1887, a Mr. and Mrs. H., both on the same night, dreamed that
they were walking in Richmond Park with their friend J. They were
discussing an invitation to a party, to be given by Lady R. (In her dream
the invitation was prospective, in his dream it had already been received.)
They were talking of the difficulty of getting home, when J. remarked, "Oh,
I will manage that for you". Mrs. H.'s dream, as presented, contained the
additional details of seeing notices of the party posted up on trees, and
of a carriage driving up when J. struck a blade of grass with his stick.
An account written by Mrs. H. was signed by both dreamers and was
submitted in the following month.'

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(3)  Murder, in a triply shared dream
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Source: http://www.survivalafterdeath.org/articles/hart/lifebeyond.htm

The third case involved three individual dreamers, each of whom remembered
his own part in the shared dream. The experience is related in a letter dated
3 May, 1869, by Henry Armitt Brown, who subsequently became a brilliant
lawyer:

'In the fall of 1865 ... while I was studying law in the city of New York, I retired
to my room about midnight of a cold and blustering evening. I remember
distinctly hearing the clock strike twelve as ... drowsiness crept upon me
and I slept. I had hardly lost consciousness when I seemed to hear loud
and confused noises and felt a choking sensation at my throat, as if it were
grasped by a strong hand. I awoke (as it seemed) and found myself lying
on my back on the cobble-stones of a narrow street, writhing in the grip
of a low-browed thick-set man with unkempt hair and grizzled beard,
who with one hand at my throat and holding my wrists with the other
threw his weight upon me and held me down... Over and over we rolled
upon the stones... Presently I saw him reach forth his hand and grasp a
bright hatchet... I made one more tremendous fight for life, for a second I held
my enemy powerless and saw with such a thrill of delight as I cannot forget
the horror-stricken faces of friends within a rod of us rushing to my rescue.
As the foremost of them sprang upon the back of my antagonist he
wrenched his wrist away from me. I saw the hatchet flash above my' head
and felt instantly a dull blow on the forehead. I fell back on the ground, a
numbness spread from my head over my body, a warm liquid flowed down
upon my face and into my mouth, and I remember the taste as of blood...
Then I thought I was suspended in the air a few feet above my body, I could
see myself as if in a glass, lying on the bark, the hatchet sticking in
the head ... I heard the weeping of friends, at first loud, then growing fainter ...
With a start, I awoke... My watch told me I had not been more than half an
hour asleep.

Early the next morning I joined an intimate friend with whom I spent much of
my time... Suddenly he interrupted me with the remark that he had dreamed
strangely of me the night before ... "I fell asleep," he said, "about twelve and
immediately dreamed that I was passing through a narrow street when I heard
noises and cries of murder. Hurrying in the direction of the noise, I saw you lying
on your back, fighting a rough labouring man, who held you down. I rushed forward,
but as I reached you he struck you on the head with a hatchet and killed you
instantly. Many of our friends were there and we cried bitterly.

"What sort of a man was he?" I asked. "A thick-set man, in a flannel shirt and
rough trousers; his hair was uncombed and his beard was grizzly and of a few
days' growth."

Within a week I was in Burlington, New Jersey. I called at a friend's house.
"My husband," said his wife to me, "had such a horrid dream about you the other
night. He dreamed that a man killed you in a street fight. He ran to help you,
but before he reached the spot your enemy had killed you with a great club."
"Oh, no," cried the husband across the room, "he killed you with a hatchet." ...'