Robitussin and OBE?

[Zarklon]

This was something that happened back in Feb of 05 and I figured I'de post it here to see what some people say about it .. noone else replied to the thread back in the day so .. what do you guys think of this? And has anyone ever tried the same thing so try to lift others out of their body through a guided meditation?  It worked for me .. it was freaky.


When I leave my body it is definately a real feeling. The vibrations sorta feel like chills but without the goosebumps and the chill (shivering) feeling lasts a few seconds instead of just an instance. For me the vibes feel like one loong chill that starts weak at first then it may stop completely then a sec later it starts up again.. each time it gradually gets longer until I'm ready to make an effort to leave my body. I go in and out of paralysis it seems.. When I used to project from a sitting position in my desk at school I used my subconcious mind to help me sort of ... fall out of my body once it hit paralysis... or really it just felt like I was slipping off to one side of my desk and each time I'de try to center my back on the chair it would instantly click back into place.. it took a bit of trial and error to realize WHAT it was at first. I then started to figure out ways to use it to my advantage... Combining sleep deprivation and listening to my teacher's lectures while sitting up in my desk seemed to be all I needed to do... I'de then just wait to feel like iwas sliding out my desk and with much guts and "I dont care anymore" attitude I just let myself fall out the desk one day only to realize that I just made a clean smooth separation and simply floated to the floor.

Its a very real feeling.. vibes were felt when I started to feel as though I was sliding out the desk but I think I was sometimes able to focus more on the falling feeling and the vibes werent really felt , but all I had to do was change my focus a bit maybe towards the physical body and I felt them just as strong as a projection from laying on my back. Astral projection is definately something that is challenging for me.. its taught me much about my body's sleep stages and its better *by far* than any drug I've explored yet heh..

PS: (Feel free to remove if its necessary) I've been experimenting with many legal and over the counter highs and I've found something interesting when I combined Robitussin and marijuana. I've always been able to make psi balls easier when high and the robo even enhanced it further so when me and 2 friends got together , we were intoxicated by robo and high and I was itching to see if they wanted to feel some more psi energy like they did the previous nights while they were sober. Well.. to make a long story short , I ended up asking them if they would like me to try to guide them through an astral projection by doing energy work to their whole body and gently talking them out. The experiment was a success and it freaked us all out. I opened a chakra in their palms first then asked them if they felt it and what it felt like and sure enough , they said they were feeling something penetrate their hand and go up their arm.. well.. that was good enough for me. I kept that up and pushed energy through their arms , chest , legs , everywhere one at a time and after I was confident that they were deep enough in relaxation and enough energy was pumping through them *It was so strong!* , I centered all the energy in their body that I could manipulate into their chest. Once I centered all of what I felt radiating from them into their chest , I sorta did some kind of mortal combat sould ripping thing *not really but I felt like I was doing a fatality heh* ... err.. anyway , I drew it all into a ball in their chest and gently lifted it out and told them to lift and enjoy the experience but come back shortly after so they would remember it (just in case)... well.. after about 15 secs I decided to wake my friend up and it scared the crap out of me.. I thought he was dead because he would not respond even when my voice raised to a small shout.. I litereally had to slap him awake. When he awoke , he was all wide-eyed and in total awe saying how he felt his chest raise up and he soon saw the room and me sitting there by him and my friend in the other part of the room , all that good stuff.

I'll be experimenting with my ability to astral project while high on various things just to see what kind of results I get. Robo has proven to be a very interesting meditation aid and I'm not through with it yet. Now that this happened with my friends .. I think I need to study it a bit more.

[jalef]

thank you for sharing your experiences, especially the one with the drugs sounds amazing. i think youre onto something, but never forget to be cautious with drugs..

[MisterJingo]

If anyone ever decided to experiment with Robitussin (dextromethorphan - DXM) I would really do some detailed research, as this is a substance with a low OD (LD50) level. It's also a substance which in some forms (coricidin etc) can and has killed due to other active ingredients added to stop abuse.
There is also a lot of circumstantial evidence (nothing concrete yet as these substances have only really been taken recreationally quite recently)  that DXM (and it's family of drugs) can cause lesions in the brain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olney's_lesions). These have only been found in animal studies so far, but it at least should make one cautious.

For those not familiar with this drug, it's in the family of drugs known as dissociative anaesthetics (i.e. ketamine, PCP etc), and shuts out external sensory perception. So if you take enough not to knock you out, you might have interesting experiences. But if you take too much, then...

Yes, this might sound negative and serious, but this is a family of drugs which should really be treated carefully. Also, there is a large percentage of the worlds population who are CYP2D6 enzyme deficient. Such people would have very severe effects to even minute amounts of this substance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-medical_use_of_dextromethorphan

[Kraven Obscuria]

DXM does have an interesting effect, yet is dangerous.  On two occasions I ingested an 8oz bottle of Robo and the effects were not exactly pleasant. Besides the vomiting, there was an extreme disassociated feeling and time seemed to slowdown quite a bit, as well as feeling sort of low down do the ground while walking(like a munchkin), etc.  

Several times throughout the experience I would feel as if I was standing besides myself, however it didn't seem at all like an OBE.

Even though I researched the substance quite a bit before ingesting, I still believe it to be more dangerous than scheduled substances like psilocybin. I think Salvia may be much safer than both of those, but again this is no joke either.

Jeff

[Zarklon]

thanks Misterjingo for providing some caution information about DXM.. I understand the risks and have heard about each risk associated with DXM and its use recreationally and even down to the enzyme deficiency but I failed to post any of that info and I should have beat you to the point.  There is one other type of source for DXM that some say should NOT be used recreationally and that is Coricidin Cold and Cough pills which contain double the miligram dosage of Robitussin cough Gel pills but they also contain a small (4 mg) dosage of Chlorpheniramine Maleate which is said to be the dangerous part of doing Coricidin Cough and Colds (tripple C's) to trip or get a high.  I , for one , chose to ignore that and I notice nothing from taking even a 35-45mg dosage of the Chlorpheniramine Maleate so maybe its not as bad as people say but its still a warning to heed because everyone's chemical makeup is different.  I really think this chemical should be explored more for its spritual and empathetic type of emotions one goes through while experiencing the trip... I guess someones gotta start somewhere... I'll be sure to post another experiment when I do it with my next trip and meditation experiment.  

Peace

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23596&highlight=

[knightlight]

Dude, if you wanna use DXM either A) make sure you only use products containing strictly DXM like Vicks 44 cough relief only or B) use a powdered pharmaceutical grade form which you can buy from test labs on the net.  If you go with option B use an electronic scale.  The lethal accepted dose is 2.2grams in most people but I have consumes upwards of 750 mg (about 5 bottles of vicks worth) and experienced what I refer to now as the 3D map of pain.  The experience started with my vision narrowing down to a tunnel about 2 inches around and the dulling of all physical senses followed by complete physical disassociation and being surrounded by a 3D geometric pattern which represented to me at the time my nervous system.  As the pattern changed colors from blue to green to red, the pain got worse.  I felt like every nerve ending in my body was on fire and I thought for sure I was going to die despite my knowledge and long term use of this product.  

This stuff isnt something to sneeze at and its not funny.

It pisses me off to no end when people mention using products like Robitussin because they contain ingredients in high amounts that will trigger effects like the feeling of needles in your eyes, insane vomiting and the like.  They are put there so you DONT use it for recreational purposes and you NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH or you will end up dead or in the hospital.  This is a relatively safe drug when used responsibly but if your a dumb butt about it the you can end up mentally damaged or dead easily.  

Please use responsibly because this is an unscheduled drug and the more people die from it and get in trouble for it the sooner it will be illegal.

I will get off my soap box now but this is something I am very passionate about.

[Zarklon]

knightlight , you may have gotten the wrong impression about me.. I've studied much into this drug and its dangers .. I agree I failed to disclose that taking cough medicine recreationally might come with its "risks" but .. phew.. i someone here doesnt know that then they dont need to dabble with "highs" at all =/   I have been to many FAQs and each thing mentioned about olney's legions .. the enzyme defficiency I knew about already .. I hope noone thinks that even doing the tripple C's or even the syrup JUST containing DXM is safe because its not especially if you fall under the category of people who have the enzyme defficiency or are just the type of person to wig out by losing all feeling of your body and simply being taken into another world..  

What im saying is .. I know the risks .. and anyone interested in using DXM recreationally should have half a brain first to at least THINK its dangerous.. then use the other half to research about it before taking it and being "enlightened" a little like I feel I have.   Its interesting and potentially useful but its not a weak drug by any means and should not be taken lightly.  

Peace!

[Greytraveller]

I agree that DXM has the potential to be a very powerful stimulant or catalyst into the OOB state. I have had several dynamic experiences with DXM. Here is the most dramatic experience.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3718&highlight=dxm

In addition to the health risk I caution against DXM use for these 2 reasons -
1) I find that I am mostly out of control while on high doses of DXM (Anything over 800 - 900 mg). When I did go out of body I was totally unable to control where I went or what I did. This lack of control was both disturbing and counter productive to acheiving anything worthwhile during the OBE.
2) the psychoactive effects of DXM have steadily decreased with continued use. The second and third times that I tried very high doses I found the affects were not nearly as pronounced as the first (although I remained in control of both the latter experiences I did not have an OBE.)
The effects of most psychoactives/mind alterants vary from person to person so these limitations will not apply to everyone. Again DXM should not imoa be taken for a recreational high. But if taken be careful of the dose amount and DO NOT buy any tussin with acetominephin which could be VERY Dangerous.  :  :exclamation:  :exclamation:

[knightlight]

amen to both of you.