I am prepared for the next stage

[thenoob]

I've not yet had a lucid dream, or OBE... My success so far is that I can reach the 3d blackness state about once every 2-3 days... It's there where I find myself completely surrounded by blackness (occasionally it's whiteness). The other day I went 'farther' than I ever have in terms of feeling like a spec in an enormous blackness that gets exponentially larger as my proportion to it gets smaller.

I'm comfortable reaching this state... Initially I was scared but now the fear is gone.

The problem is, it's frustrating because I feel I've hit a dead end. Once I reach this state, I don't know what to do next. I just float around in it for a while and... I'm confused as to how this state is connected to out of body experiences and all things astral. What am I supposed to do?

Honestly this is the only thing that makes me excited about life anymore. At the very least one thing I learned is that there is something beyond this state, even if I've only touched the very tip of the iceberg. I feel I have psychologically prepped myself to reach into the unknown. I'm not scared anymore and am ready. Just trying to determine now what I should be doing

[knightlight]

HA!  Id give just about anything to reach the 3d blackness that easily.  My advice to you would be this:  When you hit the 3d blackness ask to go somewhere else.  It sounds simple but just say "I am thankful to enter this blackness, but may I please be moved somewhere else?" and see what happens.  The 3d blackness is very easy to influence once you experience it enough.  Good luck, your well on your way.

[Enoch]

The third blackness?
Sounds like you are trying to hard...Just go to sleep and know your going to wake up in a dream...Use reality checks if you need to. Its so simple that it works..
Yes yes of course theres much more. But why add it?  KISS Keep It Simple Stupid.

[thenoob]

Yes, I'm going to try, next time that I reach the 3d blackness to not try and think so hard about what I should be doing next. Instead I am going to just clear my head of all thoughts and maybe then I will feel the vibrations.

I will also try the dream thing, but it's so hard for me. The closest I have to lucid dreams are dreams in which I dream about being aware that it's a dream. It's not like I actually figure out it's a dream and start controlling it. I never actually find consciousness within the dreams.

[Enoch]

That is good progress to be aware in a dream enough to know you are dreaming. Its a slow process just like learning to be excellant at anything in the physical world. Actually i would compare it with some of the harder things in the wake world. One thing i read recently by Robert Moss and really like is not to worry so much about the actually leaving your body it just comes naturally to most after enough dream experiance. Plus castaneda never uses a true obe. these two writers are some of my favorites.

[Selski]

Enoch - just to clear things up, it's not third blackness, it's three-dimensional blackness.  That should make the sentence more understandable! 

Sarah

[Enoch]

ahhh so you just mean the blackness that is utilized in the twilight state? Use this state to visualize. After a short time you will naturally see things in that state. i use a point of light. And follow it with my conciousness until im wherever my mind decides or wherever my intent was set to go. 

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Honestly this is the only thing that makes me excited about life anymore. At the very least one thing I learned is that there is something beyond this state, even if I've only touched the very tip of the iceberg. I feel I have psychologically prepped myself to reach into the unknown. I'm not scared anymore and am ready. Just trying to determine now what I should be doing

Dont let this experiance make life dull. It is hard and i think we all have that at some point. Be aware that in wakeing life you can progress with dreams and sorcery more than you would with just sleep alone. Alchemy is a huge part of wakeing that will help. Intent, reality checks, Shadow play, day dreaming, and living in the here and now. All have huge affects on "dreaming". Not to mention diet and of course studies.

[Vvid1012]

ahhh so you just mean the blackness that is utilized in the twilight state? Use this state to visualize. After a short time you will naturally see things in that state. i use a point of light. And follow it with my conciousness until im wherever my mind decides or wherever my intent was set to go. 

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Honestly this is the only thing that makes me excited about life anymore. At the very least one thing I learned is that there is something beyond this state, even if I've only touched the very tip of the iceberg. I feel I have psychologically prepped myself to reach into the unknown. I'm not scared anymore and am ready. Just trying to determine now what I should be doing

Dont let this experiance make life dull. It is hard and i think we all have that at some point. Be aware that in wakeing life you can progress with dreams and sorcery more than you would with just sleep alone. Alchemy is a huge part of wakeing that will help. Intent, reality checks, Shadow play, day dreaming, and living in the here and now. All have huge affects on "dreaming". Not to mention diet and of course studies.

Good Point...I rarely do this-- jumping from this 3d state to lucid.  However, once I was mentally there and the light just materialized around me.  I felt like I was jogging down this path and the further i got down the road the more vivid and detailed everything got...it was hard to believe such a transition was possible.
My advice, as stated earlier, is to just let it flow.  Whatever feels good at the time is the right move.  You will succeed


Oh Enoch... got that Castaneda book(art of dreaming).. great stuff! thanks again

[Awakened_Mind]

I'd say that this 3d blackness you are experiencing is astral blindness.  Especially if you feel that you have a real momentum.  One factor that could cause this is the time you chose to exit. If you are trying to project at night time in a dark room it may be the reason you are experiencing only darkness. Try projecting during the day.  This to some seems an arduous task, but your mind is more aware during the day.  It is imperative to attain a trance state and a deep level of physical relaxation. If you experience frustration understand that this is a product of impatience and it seriously deters you from your goal (conscious exit). OBE's are NOT difficult to achieve.  Many people just approach them the wrong way.  To most of us, there is a lack of information in our immediate social network to explore out potential in such a controversial area.

Don't hesitate for me to clear anything up.

-Awakened_Mind

[Enoch]

Vvid --that book is fantastic stuff. You can literally follow the gates and become a dreamer just with the aod.

Awakened...I tend to agree with you, the problem is that most people have such a huge block from obe that its debilitating to an almost unworkable degree. I prefer to start someone with lucid dreaming than move on to the obe. It is easy and by the time they realize that alot of there lucid dreaming was actual obe they are good to go.

AAnother thing i really like to do in the darkness like that is to see the moon in it. Or even to "fall into the light". If you want to learn many many gate techniques for this black zone try Robert Moss''s book called dreamgates. His books are all up there with Castaneda and the Seth books.
Of course only experiance is ever going to get you anywhere so just use books for a guide. An ally persay.

[Awakened_Mind]

Agreed.  Lucid dreaming is most often the best way for new projectors to learn.  However, I find a big problem today with beginners is their impatience when it comes to the issue. Often the prospect of leaving one's body is new to many.  Overexcited they look for meditation tapes, herbal supplements etc anything to speed up the process and save them the effort. It is however comforting that there are so many projectors today.

[Enoch]

It is the age we live in. we are bound to see a huge wave of awakened people soon .
Yes people try to hurry and i try my very best to make people realize it does not help. any time you try and "force" esoteric or occult work it only ever slows the real process.