OOBE to distance planets. 10-24

[Jeff_Mash]

Thanks for posting your experience.  I always like to read what others see when they are out.

And I'm glad you picked up on the 1000 times the speed of light.  The only time I have ever gotten scared was when I would travel at this super fast speed.  There is nothing more terrifying than flying DOWNWARDS at the speed of light (or greater)!  It took me a while to get over that fear, let me tell you!

Anyway, not to selfishly plug my program, but if you haven't already, you should download the OBE Journal and enter your experience into it.  You can check it out by clicking the link in my signature below.

[TheLunatic]

quote:Originally posted by Jeff_Mash
And I'm glad you picked up on the 1000 times the speed of light.  The only time I have ever gotten scared was when I would travel at this super fast speed.  There is nothing more terrifying than flying DOWNWARDS at the speed of light (or greater)!  It took me a while to get over that fear, let me tell you!

Yes indeed.

quote:
Anyway, not to selfishly plug my program, but if you haven't already, you should download the OBE Journal and enter your experience into it.  You can check it out by clicking the link in my signature below.

I'll check it out.

Thanks for the reply, happy that someone found it intresting.
-Luke

[Blue Giant]

Wow, sounds like one hell of a ride. The way you are describing the planets and their surroundings sounds too cool. Man, if those visuals were in RTZ thats the kind of impact I would want if I were out and about. The dark disk may have been the formation of a new star -due to its dark cloudy regions that no light can go through, or, it could have been a blackbody (blackhole). Blackholes are known to pull matter into themselves. Yet, it could have been something completely different. Anyhow, thanks a lot for sharing your story with us.

Blue Giant

[Hephaestus]

Projectors do so much demanding, so very little asking or requesting. []
Definateley and interesting experience, thankyou for sharing!!

If you flew around the planet at its maximum circumfrance at the speed of light (186,400mps) you would circle the planet roughly 7 and a half times in 1 second.

Now travelling 1000 times the speed of light would mean you were travelling at 186,400,000mps [] which means you would circle the planet 7500 times per second.

The nearest star to our sun is 4.5 lightyears away, in order for light from our sun to reach this star the light from our sun must travel 26.46 trillion miles.

Therefore if you travelled from our sun to the nearest star which is 26.46 trillion miles away at 1000 times the speed of light it would take you roughly 1.64 days to get there instead of the 4.5 years it would have taken were you just travelling at the speed of light.

The conclusion from this shows us that in order for you to have not only past our nearest star but also visted other star systems beyond that one within the few hours you slept during your projection would require you to have travelled a hell of a lot faster than 1000 times the speed of light.

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[TheLunatic]

quote:Originally posted by Blue Giant

Wow, sounds like one hell of a ride. The way you are describing the planets and their surroundings sounds too cool. Man, if those visuals were in RTZ thats the kind of impact I would want if I were out and about. The dark disk may have been the formation of a new star -due to its dark cloudy regions that no light can go through, or, it could have been a blackbody (blackhole). Blackholes are known to pull matter into themselves. Yet, it could have been something completely different. Anyhow, thanks a lot for sharing your story with us.

Yes it was one hell of a ride. I could barely hold on. Very intense.

I didn't clearly describe everything though so I'll try again.

I experienced the first green planet from within its atmosphere. I didn't see any ground just swirling clouds that where incredibly beautiful.

The black disk was about the same size as the small Jupiter looking planet. The other planet dwarfed both it and the disk. I don't have any idea what the disk was.

[TheLunatic]

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

Projectors do so much demanding, so very little asking or requesting. []

Well I think you took that statement the wrong way. When I said I demanded I didn't use the word demand. I said "I will now see my higher self". I  said this in a forceful manner but I didn't say it in a negative manner. I've found that If I don't leave any room for misinterpretation than things get done the way I want. For example if I would have said "I want to see my higher self" then there is no time frame involved and why would now be any better than after I'm dead. I've also found that the stronger I feel about something the better the results I get. Try it out for yourself and see what happens.

quote:The conclusion from this shows us that in order for you to have not only past our nearest star but also visted other star systems beyond that one within the few hours you slept during your projection would require you to have travelled a hell of a lot faster than 1000 times the speed of light.

Yes you are correct and in fact I had already came to that same conclusion myself. I used "1000" at the time because it seemed like a large number but once I gave it some thought I realized that in order to visit three star systems then the speed would have had to be alot higher.

But if you want to get technical about it I don't really think I was moving at all. Inter-dimensional travel doesn't require going from point A to point Z through all the points in-between.

[AngelicSaiyan]

Could it have been a mentally projected form of warp or hyperspace?  Warp would be like say having a table at one end of the carpet, and you pulled the carpet to bring the table to you, and just walk over the mess.  But that's getting into an area of physics that requires a few pages to explain.

The black disk you saw, was it pulling the matter around itself into the white dwarf?  Normally nothing can escape the black hole,
or anything with higher mass than a black hole.  Did you see an apparent warping of space around the object?  IF it was, then it would have been a black hole, the immense gravity can bend and play with spacetime considerably.

I would love to do an RTZ and go to that certain star at about -60 degrees declination (alpha centauri), but I can't see those stars from my latitude.  Who knows, you may have been in another galaxy, maybe not even in the local group.

[Hephaestus]

quote:Originally posted by TheLunatic
But if you want to get technical about it I don't really think I was moving at all. Inter-dimensional travel doesn't require going from point A to point Z through all the points in-between.

This indeed could be the conclusion, that you either  warped spacetime (brought destination B closer to you and stepped over into point B via a shorter distance) in order to get to your destination in much quicker time -OR- you tunneled a hole through another dimension and created a temporary wormhole (think of an apple, rather than travel the surface of the apple to get to the otherside simply dig a hole straight through the centre). Both of these could either require you to move only a slight distance or not require you to travel any distance at all.
However there is still the possibility you were travelling normally within the RTZ and did indeed travel at an impressive speed of several thousand times the speed of light, since it is only objects with mass that cannot travel at the speed of light if your energy body/projected self doesnt have any mass then there is nothing stoppng you from travelling at these speeds.

[Person]

Did you stay focused on meeting your higher self throughout the experience?
I have a feeling you instead got distracted and amazed at the green planet on your way there (noticed today in the preview to Peter Pan they warp through space to get to their 'neverland,' similar to an AP method).  Your focus may have changed to curiosity about outer space.  I can't get a clear image from your description of the black disk, was it sucking in matter and blowing out white energy?  It'd be really cool if that was a true vision of a black hole - all that matter has to go somewhere, why not shred matter into astral form?  You said the Jupiterlike planet couldn't hold life, did you think this at the time?  Such a thought would lead directly into curiosity about aliens, and your vision of one.  
It's also possible the planets were symbolic of your higher self as you noted.  I think you'd be the best one to interpret in that case, but note the heart chakra is green energy.  May have something to do with it.  

I don't think you warped spacetime or really moved that fast from point A to B.  Many philosophies conclude this world is an illusion anyway, and we're always at point A no matter what.  

[Hephaestus]

How could I forget, theres always Einsteins lovely discovery.

If you push a pencil away from you with your finger, is the pencil moving away from YOU? or are you moving away from the PENCIL? []

[TheLunatic]

quote:Originally posted by AngelicSaiyan

Could it have been a mentally projected form of warp or hyperspace?  Warp would be like say having a table at one end of the carpet, and you pulled the carpet to bring the table to you, and just walk over the mess.  But that's getting into an area of physics that requires a few pages to explain.

I have no reference point to judge how I was spanning the distances between these objects. All I can say is that travel time was not equal for each place and that I felt like I changed directions a few times in transit. This change in direction seems kind of wasteful if I was going to a set location. I don't think I thought about anything as I was moving because I was totally shocked by the experience. I was just trying to see and remember what was happening and don't recall thinking about where I was going or anything else for that mater.

quote:The black disk you saw, was it pulling the matter around itself into the white dwarf?  Normally nothing can escape the black hole, or anything with higher mass than a black hole.  Did you see an apparent warping of space around the object?  IF it was, then it would have been a black hole, the immense gravity can bend and play with spacetime considerably.

The disk was feeding off the large planet. Mater was not going straight into it but instead was swirling around to its far side then going in. It had a slight lensing effect but it was not a major distortion. It was completely black except where the mater from the planet touched the disk, which was bright white. I don't know if it was a black hole as it seemed alittle weak and it wasn't causing mass disruption to everything but my understanding of such things is limited.

quote:I would love to do an RTZ and go to that certain star at about -60 degrees declination (alpha centauri), but I can't see those stars from my latitude.  Who knows, you may have been in another galaxy, maybe not even in the local group.

I have no idea where I was but it's on my list of things to ask when I run into something that might know.

-Luke

[TheLunatic]

quote:Both of these could either require you to move only a slight distance or not require you to travel any distance at all.
However there is still the possibility you were travelling normally within the RTZ and did indeed travel at an impressive speed of several thousand times the speed of light, since it is only objects with mass that cannot travel at the speed of light if your energy body/projected self doesnt have any mass then there is nothing stoppng you from travelling at these speeds.

If I were to make a guess with my limited understanding of such things I would say I was traveling extra-dimensionally. I would guess this because I did not travel from point A to B in no time as I'd expect to with a worm hole and also the time it took to get to each place was different and the changing of direction seemed not to be related to what I was thinking so the only logical thing I can see causing this was that I didn't change direction but felt as if I did. My understanding of higher-dimensions tells me that movement in them might seem to be chaotic and that a straight line would get bent and twisted.

Like I said I'm just guessing,
Luke

[TheLunatic]

quote:Originally posted by Person

Did you stay focused on meeting your higher self throughout the experience?
I have a feeling you instead got distracted and amazed at the green planet on your way there (noticed today in the preview to Peter Pan they warp through space to get to their 'neverland,' similar to an AP method).  Your focus may have changed to curiosity about outer space.  

That is a very good point but I didn't stay at the first place for as long as I would have given the choice. I was shocked by it and was not thinking anything other than WOW. After seeing that and being hurled back into space I don't recall doing much thinking as I was still shocked by what was taking place. I defiantly didn't remain focused on my goal so you are correct in that I got distracted by what was happening.

quote:I can't get a clear image from your description of the black disk, was it sucking in matter and blowing out white energy?

No it was drawing in the mater from the planet and where the stream of mater met the disk there was a white light. I didn't see that the mater was escaping the disk.

quote:It'd be really cool if that was a true vision of a black hole - all that matter has to go somewhere, why not shred matter into astral form?  You said the Jupiterlike planet couldn't hold life, did you think this at the time?  Such a thought would lead directly into curiosity about aliens, and your vision of one.

Once again I don't recall thinking much about anything, as I was too shocked but I really don't know why I went where I did.

quote:It's also possible the planets were symbolic of your higher self as you noted.  I think you'd be the best one to interpret in that case, but note the heart chakra is green energy.  May have something to do with it.

I don't have enough information to judge what exactly happened. All I can say is that I'm fairly sure I was in RTZ and that I get the feeling that planets have a soul just like us.

[TheLunatic]

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

How could I forget, theres always Einsteins lovely discovery.
If you push a pencil away from you with your finger, is the pencil moving away from YOU? or are you moving away from the PENCIL? []

Or maybe the earth moves when you push the pencil and it rolls because it's round. LOL.

[TheLunatic]

I just wanted to thank everyone for their input on this. It helps me greatly to hear other peoples ideas.

Thanks everyone,
Luke

[TheLunatic]

This morning I woke up before my alarm and after relaxing my body I started having vibrations. After being calm and letting the vibrations just happen I tried to exit my body and was amazed at how smoothly I did so.

I started to leave my room through the wall but then decided to stop as I figured I might loose the OOBE if I did so. I floated around and demanded clarity a few times, which seemed to do something weird and unrequested as my vision changed in unexpected ways. I became somewhat worried that I would loose the experience soon so then I demanded to see my higher self.

I started to move, with my eyes closed at first, after a moment I opened them and found that I was moving from what seemed like planet-to-planet. There was a green gas planet with swirling clouds of green and white that was amazingly beautiful. It was so incredible that I was completely shocked by it.

After a moment I was moving again and then found myself in space looking at two Jupiter like planets. One was roughly ten times larger than the other. At the time I thought that they might be getting ready to collide. There was also a strange black disk next to the larger planet that seemed to be sucking in matter from it. The matter was swirling out from the planet around the disk to a point that was on the far side of the disk, away from the planet. That point was glowing with a white light. I figure it was some kind of massive object like a dwarf star.

I found myself moving again this time I was in a room with two figures dressed in black leather like clothing that where fighting with scimitar type weapons. They looked humanoid and had gray skin. I don't remember them having hair and their faces where not human like at all. There where not like the little gray aliens you hear about on TV either.  Their faces where not round but where more stretched out. Also in the center of the room was a sliver-floating disk. It had triangle points around it's outside which where in a swirling like pattern. It somewhat resembled a sun with swirling rays coming off it. One of the characters threw his sword at it and as it hit a large spray of blood was seen as if the other had killed him after he threw his weapon. I was watching the disk at that time and didn't see where the blood had come from but I recall it being red.

I then faded back into my own body as I normally do. I don't think I made it all the way up the line to what I asked for but it was incredible none-the-less. I did note that the last part had a somewhat dark feeling to it. I think I might have somewhat negative bits in me. This isn't surprising however. There were also flashes during all of this. I can't make them out as they where really brief and not clear. Maybe I visited other planets but left in too much a hurry to get a clear picture of what was going on. Also I recall that I changed direction in space a few times and the speed of movement must have been 1000 times the speed of light. There was very little sensation of movement however I could tell I was moving before opening my eyes at the beginning. Some of the planets like the Jupiter one couldn't support life, as we know it. I wonder if the planets themselves have life or conciseness? I also wonder if any of these things I saw were I in another place or time? I got the feeling that it was but I base that only on the fact that I asked to see my higher self.

[zareste]

I stumbled across this while searching.  It could have some remarkable insights.

The humanoids sound like a variation of your typical Grays, who are known to wear a few articles of dark clothing now and then, and are rather fierce in nature.  They're said to live on Retuculum 4 - the 4th planet from Zeta 2 Reticuli - which is located about 40 light-years away, so he'd have to be going about 2x faster than Hephaestus predicted The Zeta system contains two stars that are about the same as our Sun.

The smaller planet was probably a moon of the bigger planet, and the black disk was likely an artificial home for the humanoids, pulling in necessary materials from the Jupiter-like planet.  I say this because such an object wouldn't appear naturally, and seems connected to the humanoids TheLunatic saw afterward.  It's possible this wasn't the Zeta system at all - or at least not Retuculum 4 - because humanoids would probably not live on a Jupiter-like planet.  Life forms in such a high-atmosphere environment would probably look very inhuman (emphasis on 'probably').  The humanoids were more likely 'visiting' this planet for its materials.

The humanoid form, notably, is used by several civilizations, so these weren't necessarily the Zetas at all.  It's just their behavior that resembles the Zeta pests we often deal with.  I'm guessing TheLunatic was shown the fight between them to set the tone of their race.