Physical..Etheric..Astral..Mental?

[Goober]

From my understanding, right now I'm in the physical. I can OBE into the Etheric, Astral, or Mental...


When I go into the Etheric, I'm basically still in the physical, but able to fly around, yadayada..


When I go into the Astral, I'm going into living worlds that peoples minds create. This could be basically anything..


When I go into the Mental planes.. I'm going into the planes of Heaven / Underworld.. all of these places where God(s) and Angels reside, or where the demons reside..






Am I correct in this?

[kiwibonga]

The physical is a "fixed frequency" within the etheric band. There is a part of the etheric both above and below the physical.

The etheric itself is part of the astral. When you are in the etheric, you are not in the physical. Even the real-time zone is not 100% identical to the physical.

The astral is comprised of many layers, realms, etc... It contains worlds much like our own, where other entities live. It also contains "worlds that people's minds create," as you said. On higher levels of the astral, you have the belief territories (where religious people go) and other afterlife areas (rest areas/waiting areas).

Mental projection is a projection into your thinking processes... I'm not sure whether that can be called a plane... Everyone seems to have a different idea of it... I don't find the current literature very helpful in explaining what happens beyond the astral...

[Goober]

Oh ok. That helps ALOT. Thank you kiwibonga .

  I was wondering, I've only projected into the Etheric, not the Astral. So if I created my own world in the Astral, and it was a living, breathing world ( figuratively speaking.. ).. Where creatures actually lived.. Would these creatures be real? Would they have their own thoughts, their own ability to reason, would things go on while I wasn't there, etc..?

  These worlds are created by our mind right? Wouldn't that mean that every book I've ever read, every movie I've ever seen..is a world in its own? Maybe not created by me, as the author already has done that, but still.

  Also, these religious realms in the higher astral planes.. Is their only one Heaven, and one underworld? Wouldn't their be many different heavens and underworlds, because each person might view it differently, and subconsciously create his or her own view of these places?

 

[kiwibonga]

Our physical world may seem as though it is extremely stable and permanent, but only our perception of it is. It's not actually much more permanent than the sound you make when you snap your fingers.

There is very little written material about creation. We have an infinite creative power, but we are limited by our physical forms. A dream world is just about as real as the physical world we live in, everything inside it "lives" as a subset of your inner self.

Consider this: Let's say you're in a lucid dream and you meet a man that you created subconsciously. That man is indeed alive. The totality of his self and his memories are defined by you. That man has a childhood, a life that feels like it happened in the past, but he did not really exist until you entered the dream, and even though he might live on to become an old man and die, you will never really know.

Time and space are illusions, in fact, everything that is ever thought up is eternal. If you create a world, its whole history will be written, from the big bang to the day it suddenly collapses on itself, in an instant. As a timeless being, you can enter this world at any moment you wish. Every time you enter the dream world, you modify the scenario, and "written history" will change.

This is the same principle that is in action in the physical, but our world is much more complex than the average astral realm. The history of the physical world is already written from A to Z, from the big bang to whatever is the end of the world. An astral entity snapped his fingers and the universe was created. By incarnating into life forms, we cause a "ripple" into the universe's history, and alter it. We pick a date, and we modify. The fact that millions/billions of entities have participated make this realm much more tangible -- the creator of the universe only created our physical vehicle, and the rest of us is independent. As such, we all have free will here, but dream entities do not necessarily have it.

Understanding that time and space don't exist is key in understanding the universe, but it's very hard to grasp at first... I know it took me a couple of months to get used to the idea.


As for movies and books.. Well, it's complicated... There is a "universe" (a ripple in reality) created for everything that anyone imagines. Since learning is based on copying information, and that each person's memory is separate, each person will create a subjective interpretation of anything they read/watch as a subset of themselves. What happens if people are aware of the existence of astral realms and decide to make the parallel world from a story "real," I don't know... I've never heard of it happening, but surely it's possible that a common realm could be created for fans of a specific movie, book, etc...



As for religious realms, I've never seen any direct descriptions of what they're like, but a lot of authors refer to them. Basically, when you die, you automatically go to whatever you believe is the afterlife. If you strongly adhere to a religion, you will usually be judged, and then someone that seems external to you will choose whether it's heaven or hell for you. Some people remain in their own subjective realm, unaware that they are actually free, others join those of the same religion in a plane designed for that very purpose. In the end, these realms serve as the first stage of after-death transition areas. Nobody typically stays there "forever."

[Dusty2010]

I know this topic is very old but the post above really answered my question and brought up another in me.  Because I'm new and I'm not really sure of this forums etiquette, please just tell me to make a new topic next time or if old bumps are okay 

But what I'm curious is...  What if I don't really want an afterlife?  I guess I view life as an ongoing sentence...  Then death is the period.  I want that period.  Not now, not for a long time, but at most I'd like to stay as a non-physical being and just learn until I was done learning.  Then after that, sleep.  For good.  If that's what I want and imagine, will that be my afterlife?

(once again, I'm really sorry if this is a thread too old to bump.  I can create a topic but I figured this was relevant...  so I bumped it.)

[kurtykurt42]

If you're determined enough you can return your soul to a large soul accumulator (God?), that gathers souls so that people die for good.

[Questioner]

Oh wow,i neever heard of a soul dieing.

I always pictured an after-life as eternal rest.Seperated from you physical body i wouldn't think you would want to die.

[Psan]

What if I don't really want an afterlife?  I guess I view life as an ongoing sentence... 

If you see there are two assumptions here - one that there is an afterlife and that life is a sentence of some sort. These are pretty big assumptions. Unless you have some concrete evidence for these, take it lightly.

Some people imagine afterlife as a replica of physical life, where there are people (spirits), places, animals, angels and what not. But are you so sure ? Its like a blind man imagining colors, who has never seen any. What if the afterlife is just pure existence devoid of any experience ?

What if, you can't meaningfully exists without creating some sort of reality or without participating in one that is already created ? It is possible that you get stuck with a reality that matches with your level of spiritual evolution. So if physical world appears as a sentence, its your own ignorance that's making it so. What if you can't leave a level without completing it, just like a computer game ?

You may choose to exist in nothingness for a million years, and when you finally decide that its too boring or is serving no purpose, you will seek a reality, heavy one (like this) or something much better, but you will find that you can exists only at a level according to your own spiritual development. For a million year you were stagnant , did not evolve, so most likely you will end up on earth again.

Its better to learn whatever this life has to offer and move on, that's what I've learnt.

[Dusty2010]

I guess what I think I'd prefer in an afterlife is something of my own creation.  What I'm thinking of is that I can lay dormant for awhile or develop myself spiritually, then learn about everything.  So what I'm thinking of is more of a plane where I am the only constant, and everything else simply begins and ends with my will.  Then, eventually I can either choose to re-enter another plane, or just do as Kurt said and off myself for good.

Some people may not be comfortable with ceasing to exist, in my case though, I think I may appreciate it.

[Greytraveller]

kurtykurt42
your quote

If you're determined enough you can return your soul to a large soul accumulator (God?), that gathers souls so that people die for good.

I totally agree that this IS an option that some souls choose to make.
But it forces me to posit these 2 questions,
1) why would any intelligent soul make that choice ?
and
2) what is the point of a person living an independent existence and learning and growing as an individual if he or she then chooses to nullify their individuality (personal existence) at a later time?? 

Food for thought 
Regards 
Grey

[CFTraveler]

I know this topic is very old but the post above really answered my question and brought up another in me.  Because I'm new and I'm not really sure of this forums etiquette, please just tell me to make a new topic next time or if old bumps are okay 

But what I'm curious is...  What if I don't really want an afterlife?  I guess I view life as an ongoing sentence...  Then death is the period.  I want that period.  Not now, not for a long time, but at most I'd like to stay as a non-physical being and just learn until I was done learning.  Then after that, sleep.  For good.  If that's what I want and imagine, will that be my afterlife?

(once again, I'm really sorry if this is a thread too old to bump.  I can create a topic but I figured this was relevant...  so I bumped it.)

Something to add:
Some projectors and also people that have had NDEs ocassionally report experiencing people in the 'afterlife' who are sleeping.  They just sleep as if they were...dead.  I've read that these people can rest until they decide they want to wake up and then decide what they want to do.   So theoretically, those that need 'rest' can get it- it's already part of what's available.
(I can think of two books that I've seen this concept in.  One of Monroe's books (could be Ultimate Journey) and one of Leland's books, not sure which).

[Dusty2010]

Something to add:
Some projectors and also people that have had NDEs ocassionally report experiencing people in the 'afterlife' who are sleeping.  They just sleep as if they were...dead.  I've read that these people can rest until they decide they want to wake up and then decide what they want to do.   So theoretically, those that need 'rest' can get it- it's already part of what's available.
(I can think of two books that I've seen this concept in.  One of Monroe's books (could be Ultimate Journey) and one of Leland's books, not sure which).

See, that sleep is what I'm talking about!  I just want a break.  I don't know how long I want, I just want a "pause for the cause" as they say.  I wish I could get books like these and read them for myself, but unfortunately as I'm living with my parents that's nigh impossible...

[Greytraveller]

Hi CFTraveler
your post

Something to add:
Some projectors and also people that have had NDEs ocassionally report experiencing people in the 'afterlife' who are sleeping.  They just sleep as if they were...dead.  I've read that these people can rest until they decide they want to wake up and then decide what they want to do.   So theoretically, those that need 'rest' can get it- it's already part of what's available.
(I can think of two books that I've seen this concept in.  One of Monroe's books (could be Ultimate Journey) and one of Leland's books, not sure which).

I too have come across this in books and website forums. Apparently some of the newly dead need to sleep for a relatively short period (a day or two, sometimes as long as a few weeks) before they can become aware of their afterlife conditions. (Can't remember where I read this unfortunately, Maybe something Bruce Moen wrote )

btw did you post the OBE survey at AD??
And thanx for help with registering at that site.
Regards 
Grey

[CFTraveler]

Not yet- have been kind of busy with lots of projects- but it's in my to-do list.

[kurtykurt42]

So, after 'sleeping' what do you think people usually do after they find out there dead?

[Dusty2010]

So, after 'sleeping' what do you think people usually do after they find out there dead?

Well...  I'll still be partying hard 

[Xanth]

I just wanna say that the "where", or "layers" of reality are a subject of much debate.