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Are we all God, or is their one supreme ruler?

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Goober

Which do you believe? I'm not to sure, really.

James S

"Piscean Age" religions teach separation - we are separate from each other and we are separate from god.

Spirituality teaches us that we are all part of God, God is part of all of us, and we are all connected to "oneness" - the universal source.

The former has seen the human race suffer through countless "us vs them" wars. The latter would have us treat each other with the love and respect that we would treat ourselves with.

I won't ask here what is right or wrong, but instead,what would serve us all the best?

Blessings,
James.

MisterJingo

Agree with James S. I personally don't believe in a God in the traditional sense, but I can see the totality of everything could be interpreted as a God. I simply see the interconnectiveness of all matter/energy - not necessarily as a sentient being or creature, but as a collection of sentient beings/creators who have the same mechanics of existence at their core (experience seemingly causing separation).

I think the word God has become too loaded over time, and when we consider God, we actually get caught up in the semantics of the word rather than what we are referencing behind the word.

outofbodydude

Escaping Velocity. Not just eternity, but infinity.

MisterJingo

Not really disagreeing with the above poster, but statements as that do not tell us anything. Or perception of the God concept is a product of our environment and education to date. To state we are God is simply stating we are our perception of what a God is. Not what God actually is (or might be) – word based understanding falls apart when one contemplates such concepts as they are very much in the realm of abstraction. Any understanding of such concepts on more than a syntax level really needs to leave the word layer of understanding and to work within the symbolic abstract levels.
Sorry for going a bit OT.

Goober

Quote from: James S on December 26, 2006, 21:27:41
"Piscean Age" religions teach separation - we are separate from each other and we are separate from god.

Spirituality teaches us that we are all part of God, God is part of all of us, and we are all connected to "oneness" - the universal source.

The former has seen the human race suffer through countless "us vs them" wars. The latter would have us treat each other with the love and respect that we would treat ourselves with.

I won't ask here what is right or wrong, but instead,what would serve us all the best?

Blessings,
James.

If we are all one, wouldn't we want to treat each other with respect?

SpeaK

Quote from: Goober on December 27, 2006, 00:28:04
If we are all one, wouldn't we want to treat each other with respect?

That's exactly what James S said.

Goober

Quote from: SpeaK on December 27, 2006, 06:00:38
That's exactly what James S said.

Bah :-o sorry, I read "former" as "latter" for whatever reason.

outofbodydude

We are all essentially one, one consiousness, we were once all part of the whole, in fact we WERE the whole. I believe we separated from the whole, from infinity, because of curiosity, perhaps we wanted to see what it would be like to have a smaller consious perception, which would allow us to experience new things, gain new knowledge, be more capable of expressing love to a greater extent.  As we progress spiritually, on this world and in the afterlife, we are getting closer to becoming one again, and we are still essentially one, but on our separate journeys right now, we are still connected to everything and everyone, but once our journey is complete we will join the whole once again, we will go home.

If you want to believe god is some dude watching over our every move, judging our "bad" deeds, interviening at certain times when the convienient explanation would be "it was god" simply because the odds were beat, then thats fine. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.  But to think that this god will send people to hell for sinning is actually contradictory to the very same idea of god, that he is all loving and forgiving.  It makes no sense.  There is enough evidence already which supports my statements in the first paragraph.  Read the books of Robert Monroe, Emanuel Swedenborg, David Icke, Val Valerian, and Bruce Moen, just to name a few.  These people have experienced first hand what god really is, they have actually felt what it was like to be "god", that is to be part of the whole, to be one with everything and everyone.  Or you can continue to read your bibles and praise your false profits, you can continue to pray and hope that the religions you worship so strongly(which are created by men, with the so blatantly obvious motives of controlling the way people live their lives and instilling fear in your hearts) are not misleading you.  Of course, religions arent all bad, they teach good moral lessons and allow some to advance spiritually.  But I say don't put all of your trust into a book, go out and explore for yourself.  I assume that is why youre on this forum in the first place.
Escaping Velocity. Not just eternity, but infinity.

Philosopher

Personally, I reject the concept of God altogether. I suppose, from what I've experienced and pondered, that consciousness itself is a sort of "God". However, as far as any sort of self-cognizant creator is concerned, I most definately withold my belief.
Humani Alieno

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Requiem Aeternam Deo

jub jub

#10
I believe in the theory and that we are all connected. But like so many topics of this nature, we won't really know until the day we pack it in.

Best bet is to find what belief system you like best and stick with it. That is of course until you change your mind.  :-D
"A moral being is one who is capable of reflecting on his past actions and their motives - approving of some and disapproving of others"  -  Charles Darwin

Kazbadan

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CFTraveler

I believe we are all part of that idea that we call God.  Be it creative force, universal organizing intelligence, love, or whatever you call it or conceptualize it as.  To me God is the universe, and everything else, if there is anything else.  IMO being part of God means being interconnected- whether your neighbor is a perv., an idiot or whatever- because the part of you that is something other than holy is that part of you that doesn't realize who you really are.  I do not believe that we separated from God for a second- I believe that we believe we did, and have built our reality on that belief system.  I believe that some point we realized that we are more than the sum of our parts, so we had to create an idea of a deity that corresponded to our limited point of view, hence theism.  And finally, I believe that those parts of us that express our differences, limitations and other negative characteristics have no absolute reality, and when we stop believing we need this limited existence, all illusion of limitation will fall away and our true nature, as creators, will come to light.
However, all beliefs are subject to change without notice.

psychonaut

Today young men on acid realize that all matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather.  :-P

We are all god. But you create your own reality so whatever you dig floats you know what I mean?
my brains are scrambled. my head's an egg.

jub jub

Quote from: psychonaut on January 12, 2007, 04:28:02
Today young men on acid realize that all matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather.  :-P

We are all god. But you create your own reality so whatever you dig floats you know what I mean?


Allrighty then!
"A moral being is one who is capable of reflecting on his past actions and their motives - approving of some and disapproving of others"  -  Charles Darwin

MisterJingo

Quote from: jub jub on January 12, 2007, 09:30:48

Allrighty then!

It's a Bill Hicks quote :). If you haven't heard of him, he's definately worth looking up.