Unfair OBE! I am starting to hate my subconcious

[Mydral]

Ok here it goes:
I had a normal dream in this dream I was drunk driving at one point.
Now at some point in the dream I start floating and start to gain lucidity. So I tell myself I want to OBE and start spinning faster and faster. My vision fades and I can only feel the spinning motion.
All of a sudden I am lying in my bed and I can still feel the spinning motion in my body. Then my feet start to lift up till I am in a handstand position. I disconnect my head too and fall onto the floor... I can feel the impact, its so real. My entire room is real and I am a bit imobile on the floor. So I try to get up and am in a lying floating posistion. I think great I am OBE.... approach the wall to go through it, but it gives resistance which feels very real. I think to myself this should not be.... and look back onto my bed. My physical self is not lying there... again I think that this should not be. I force my legs onto the ground and instantly gain a normal gravity sense + a bad concious for drunk driving. I again approach the wall to go through it...... only to just feel it again like if its real.
So I go to my door open it and go outside. Everything is like it should, like if I was awake. My cat sees me, runs up the stairs, gives me the normal greeting by rubbing herself against my legs and then starts to scratch the stair case. I look downstairs and hear my grandma. At this point my subconcious goes crazy:
I am convinced that I woke up. Everything is so real, I can't do things I should be able to do (me floating funily and doing a handstand without using my hands slips my mind and/or feels perfectly normal), I am convinced that I was drunk driving....
So I go back into my room, go to my bed. Do a freaking heandstand again without using my hands, let my legs back down and hold a position that would be impossible to hold with gravity in place. Close my eyes...... and BOOM really wake up.
This all happened 5 minutes ago.... as you can imagine I feel pretty stupid. I confused an OBE with reality and stopped it by choice since I wanted to sleep again. I could have stayed OBE for a long time, maybe I would have gotten my abilities after a few more minutes...... hey atleast I now know what to do to get it from a lucid dream. 

[Selski]

Hi Mydral

Sounds very typical to me - especially in the early days. 

I've never seen my physical self when OBE - there's normally just a vague impression of a shape.  Other times, the bed's been totally empty, and I've wondered where I am! 

My brain gets befuddled at times too.  I've also had resistance from walls.  Even when I know I can go through them, because I've done it hundreds of times.  Try pushing the wall gently and keep persevering.  The wall should start to give, like rubber, and the more you knead it, the more flexible it will become.

Good luck with future journeys!

Sarah

[catmeow]

Mydral, as i see it.....

Seeing yourself in bed really depends upon how "close" you are to the physical plane.  Many OBE's, perhaps most, are actually not into an area which is close to the physical plane (an area we term the RTZ - Real Time zone) but rather into an area of the Astral which merely contains a reflection of your physical bedroom.  This reflection is a "belief system" copy and as such could contain just about anything which happens to be in our minds at the time.  It doesn't necessarily contain a copy of your physical body unless you subconsciously expect it to.  It also doesn't mean that your environment is imaginary - if you've ever had a shared dream both parties will see the same "belief system" environment.  To really see your physical body you need to project into what is called the RTZ.

Also this "belief system" bedroom will be just as physical as you imagine it to be - so having difficulty passing through walls is to be expected, if you don't subconsciously accept the belief that you can pass through walls.  The RTZ seems to be different, we pass through walls easily there.

Many projectors learn to project as kids and later on in life move house.  It's quite common for these people to project into a "belief system" bedroom which looks just like the one they grew up in, and used to project into as kids.  I do this a lot and it's infuriating.  To correct this, I need to hold an image of my present bedroom in my mind as I go through the exit procedure.  If succesful, I project into my current bedroom rather than the one I grew up in.  I can then wander round my current house and out into my current street. Otherwise it's the old house I'm afraid and the old street!  The more perfectly I do this the more perfect is the house and also I am much more likely to see my physical body.  I put this down to being closer to the RTZ...

This is just my opinion, others may disagree!

[jub jub]

I've had the same experience and freaked out when I "really" woke up!

[kiwibonga]

Well, how do you know that you don't end up in a belief system new bedroom?

I think this kind of mental block can also happen in the RTZ -- if we didn't have a small degree of "earth illusion," wouldn't the earth simply shoot out of the horizon, leaving you all alone in the middle of space? (Or maybe the earth is the center of the universe, who knows :p)

In order to have a successful projection, we need to simulate physical memory, sight, hearing, touch, etc... With these invariably come the laws of physics we are most used to... And that's where we start to stray away from the RTZ and populate the landscape with doubt...

It's pretty natural to have this problem, in the end... Doubt and fear materialize so easily in the astral -- I still ask myself, sometimes, "what if it's all in the head and the people who claim to have had paranormal OBEs with validation simply lied to seem more interesting?"

The first thing we tend to do is check whether we're out of body... But we're not able to reason like in physical reality... We'll make some checks, like "can I fly?" "can I see my physical body?" "can I go through walls?" and doubt just smacks us in the face every time, until we're convinced that we're in the physical!

[catmeow]

what if it's all in the head and the people who claim to have had paranormal OBEs with validation simply lied to seem more interesting?

I've had validations during LD/AP which go way beyond coincidence.  Otherwise I would probably believe it's all just in the mind.  So I do have to concede there is more to it than just a dream.  I am a bit skeptical of the amazing accounts some people give, perhaps they're just making it up to sell books, but there are just too many accounts of spontaneous OBE's and NDE's for this to be all made up.  In the end we have to make a personal decision as to whether it's real or not, and I guess I decided it's real.