Two Qi Gong Master: Energy work to the extreme!

[AstralVibe]

Yeah! Finally I found the clip with the Qi Gong Master who can heal and heat up things. I was looking for this for ages, wonder how long for this to take fruit.

One of the master can use electricity, and heat, awesome!

Has anyone been able to go this far? If yes, how long did it take, and what technique did you use?

Any comment on the video or any other forms of energy work is always welcome, enjoy the video  .

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FpWZXnvP_8U

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lf8k9__waS4


Tommy

[GANAMOHA]

I have already seen this video and although I do not really like ripleys believe it or not (I tend to sway towards the not category) I really do believe practictioners like this exist. and this has already been discussed in many other threads but still maintains its appeal in my eyes. because those practices kinda go like this.....you could master every fighting style and become the strongest but without tai chi (qui qong or nei kung or basically anything simalar) when you grow old all your training will be meaningless. I could go on forever so if you have any questions ask away.

[AstralVibe]

I have already seen this video and although I do not really like ripleys believe it or not (I tend to sway towards the not category) I really do believe practictioners like this exist. and this has already been discussed in many other threads but still maintains its appeal in my eyes. because those practices kinda go like this.....you could master every fighting style and become the strongest but without tai chi (qui qong or nei kung or basically anything simalar) when you grow old all your training will be meaningless. I could go on forever so if you have any questions ask away.

Ganamoha, thanks for replying, so what can you do so far? Also how did you go about doing it, how long did it take? What are your goals, what are you studying/practicing?

I'm still trying to astral project my second time. I wonder if it is possible to ask the guide/s, once I'm in the astral world, to somehow configure me to be able to astral project at will. I want to ask them alot of question on magic, the ancient civilization, healing, ect. Woohoo, can't wait!

I guess everyone can already do this? Or is somehow better than these two master? Wow the lack of response in this forum is painful sometimes. Whether your level is lower or higher than theirs, atleast say something folks. Not much of a forum/community without the chatting is there?

[Zephyrus]

Amazing videos!
Usually the videos ar either fake or nothing happens. These ones look genuine.

I guess everyone can already do this?

Someone HAS to. While looking through the forum I saw once or twice that somebody said that he could do psychokinesis (and pyrokinesis is a form of PK), like moving chairs or door.

Can't do it myslef, though.

[AstralVibe]

Amazing videos!
Usually the videos ar either fake or nothing happens. These ones look genuine.
Someone HAS to. While looking through the forum I saw once or twice that somebody said that he could do psychokinesis (and pyrokinesis is a form of PK), like moving chairs or door.

Can't do it myslef, though.

Hi Zephyrus, glad you like the video, I can do something like this, but not to the extreme. I can heal with my hands, and I'm trying to create heat while healing. I need a way to prove to my patients( in my case, family, myself, and who ever needs it) that I can manipulate things/matter/energy. I showed my sister the video, and the first thing she said was, only special people can do that... I am not trying to show off in any way when trying to demonstrate that this is real, I am trying to convince them that I can activate chi/energy of their own to help them self heal. Its very difficult to convince someone who's mind is very closed by disinformation by governments etc.

Heres a few forum with free ebook, and mentoring. I havn't tried the mentorship yet, I think there is some cost involve, not sure. Anyway, they teach/provide different type of techniques.
http://forums.vsociety.net/
http://www.psipog.net/home.php


AstralVibe

[GANAMOHA]

wellto answer one of your questions a large percentage of people here can do very little if nothing at all. however thats not to say that there arent some very gifted people here as well. well myself personnally I have been doing a mixture of tai chi among other things to keep myself balanced and energized. about the things I can do.....hmm well some minor telekinetic stuff roll pencils, bend forks(without force) , ect....and I can do other things as well but as I have found at least for my self my own natural ability sways from day to day so what I can and cant do changes. I dont have any goals inparticular because usually If I do anything besides energy work I'll get nasty headaches like after I mess with the weather (which I dont suggest doing). oh and I forgot to say I have already studied in reiki healing and I am quite good at it if I do say so but usually I found the most effective way would be pain transfere. oh and about the two masters  on there I HIGHLY doubt there is such a person on this forum although I could be wrong but I would say those people are so rare you would be lucky to ever meet someone like that.
and it is unfortunate to say that occasionally you recieve either no replies for a long time or a couple fluffly posts. but the moderators here are pretty good about getting around to answer a majority of the posts here.

[Novice]

I thought the videos were quite interesting.

As for finding people to do this stuff -- I'm of the frame of mind that 'those that talk can't do and those that do don't talk.' Meaning anytime anyone starts going on about what they have done or experienced, I start turning the volume down really low, so to speak. It has been my experience that most people with these abilities don't advertise or announce them. Again, this is my perception only.

I personally don't reply to posts asking if anyone has ever done.... whatever. My first thought in response is "why do you want to know?"

In this post, you say you completely believe stuff like this is possible, but yet seem completely surprised at seeing it on video -- although the surprise could be in the fact that it was caught on video. Regardless, it sounds to me like you are saying one thing but still looking for proof yourself. People post a lot of these type of posts in the OBE and AP section as well. To me, having someone else describe what they experienced doesn't validate it for you at all. If so, actually 'seeing' this done, as in these videos, would have satisfied your doubts. I think the only way you will ever truly know is to keep working on it yourself until you are able to do things that make you know what is possible and not just believe it! 

[Zephyrus]

AstralVibe: Thank you for the links.

Novice: I must admit your points are true and wise, you will never know it until you experience it. But everyone sometimes needs a bit of motivation or someone to look up to. I find some movies more inspiring than books.

[AstralVibe]

I thought the videos were quite interesting.

As for finding people to do this stuff -- I'm of the frame of mind that 'those that talk can't do and those that do don't talk.' Meaning anytime anyone starts going on about what they have done or experienced, I start turning the volume down really low, so to speak. It has been my experience that most people with these abilities don't advertise or announce them. Again, this is my perception only.

Novice, Not sure who you are replying to, but I respect your point of view, however I think their is an error in your way of thinking. First off, there are alot of folks who can do this, and the nice ones will teach you how they did it. Isn't that the point of a forum/community in the first place? Exchanged techniques, knowledge, experiences, and progress from there. Make friends, share thoughts and idea etc.. I'm sure there are a lot of fake people out there, but you have to give people the benefit of a doubt, and if their technique work for 1 out of 30,000 members, then it works right? I for one can heal, and am working on my energy, I see a good progress in my effort, as I feel my palms heating up. Maybe when I can actually light objects up, I will post on youtube. And yes, I will get a good camcorder, I hate those who use crappy cams from phone.

I personally don't reply to posts asking if anyone has ever done.... whatever. My first thought in response is "why do you want to know?"

Why anyone that is new to a certain technique/energy/aura questions would want to know, is because of a few reason, 1) To confirm, 2) To learn, 3) To share, 4) To expand our understanding, 5) To see if anyone else is experiencing the same thing. Many more reasons, these area a few to just give you an idea.

In this post, you say you completely believe stuff like this is possible, but yet seem completely surprised at seeing it on video -- although the surprise could be in the fact that it was caught on video. Regardless, it sounds to me like you are saying one thing but still looking for proof yourself. People post a lot of these type of posts in the OBE and AP section as well. To me, having someone else describe what they experienced doesn't validate it for you at all. If so, actually 'seeing' this done, as in these videos, would have satisfied your doubts. I think the only way you will ever truly know is to keep working on it yourself until you are able to do things that make you know what is possible and not just believe it! 

Again, have no clue who you talking about, as I never said I did not believe. Nor did anyone for all I know. First off, I post this video to show beginners that this is possible, and also to encourage them to persist. Actually we are limitless being. If the mind can conceive, the thoughts will manifest in the physical relm.

All I'm trying to do is be able to manipulate my energy in order for my patients to feel/see that it is real. Remember, its all in the mind, if the mind does not believe it, it will create some kind of blockage, whether strong or weak. It will be 100% more effective, if you could show the ones your healing, right in front of their eyes. After getting into AP,Psychic, OOBE, Magic, it is impossible for me not to believe. I am not one of those crazy skeptics, who don't believe even though you do it in front of them. They watch too much of those "fake magic trick," so they think everything is a trick. Thats fine with me, its pointless to try to convince someone over internet/forum.

Heres a good method I found that worked for "me". Try it out, never hurt.
http://www.666blacksun.com/Opening_the_Hands.html


Good luck, AstralVibe

[Novice]

My post was directed at you, AstralVibe. I certainly did not intend to offend you or confuse you in any way. If I did, then I apologize.

gain, have no clue who you talking about, as I never said I did not believe. Nor did anyone for all I know.

I never said you didn't believe. I said you seemed completely surprised at actually seeing these things done on the video. Your posts in this thread are very enthusiastic; which is wonderful. But the enthusiasm seemed to me to also reflect surprise or awe. Usually someone is surprised or awed by something they didn't think possible. Again, if I misunderstood, I apologize.

Remember, its all in the mind, if the mind does not believe it, it will create some kind of blockage, whether strong or weak. It will be 100% more effective, if you could show the ones your healing, right in front of their eyes.

I agree to a point with both of these. Doubt has the same affect in energy as it does with AP, or any other metaphysical skill. But the only thing that will make this 100% effective is to KNOW it works -- not simply believe that it does -- there is a definite difference.

I am not one of those crazy skeptics, who don't believe even though you do it in front of them. They watch too much of those "fake magic trick," so they think everything is a trick. Thats fine with me, its pointless to try to convince someone over internet/forum.

Agreed. But I also think it is difficult to convince someone face-to-face if they don't want to believe. I don't discuss any topic on this forum with anyone else in my life barring one person. Simply because most of the people I know are not open or ready for this type of information. I will sometimes drop hints or make comments hedging in this direction, but that's all I do. Basically leave a trail and see if anyone is interested enough to pick up the scent, so to speak. I would expect people who go to you for healing are more open-minded however. They may not be as ready to accept some of the energy feats shown in the videos, but it doesn't matter as long as they believe that they are being helped/healed with your assistance.

Again, I was not trying to criticize your attempts for feedback. I was simply throwing out some possibilities for you to consider. Sorry for the confusion.

[AstralVibe]

My post was directed at you, AstralVibe. I certainly did not intend to offend you or confuse you in any way. If I did, then I apologize.

Apologies accepted.   

Agreed. But I also think it is difficult to convince someone face-to-face if they don't want to believe. I don't discuss any topic on this forum with anyone else in my life barring one person. Simply because most of the people I know are not open or ready for this type of information. I will sometimes drop hints or make comments hedging in this direction, but that's all I do. Basically leave a trail and see if anyone is interested enough to pick up the scent, so to speak. I would expect people who go to you for healing are more open-minded however. They may not be as ready to accept some of the energy feats shown in the videos, but it doesn't matter as long as they believe that they are being helped/healed with your assistance.

In this area, when trying to open someones mind to the posibility, I normally give them some form of proof. And if that still didn't work, I would just leave it. Because if you think about it, and if you tell them something, without demonstrating it, 99% of the time, they will just brush it off as a joke of some sort. I'm interested at how you normally approach your friends and family? Maybe I can learn from your experience. Have you ever been able to convince someone of what you are doing? And how so?

Again, I was not trying to criticize your attempts for feedback. I was simply throwing out some possibilities for you to consider. Sorry for the confusion.

No worries, I am here to learn, if you have something of value, please share with all of us. The key to advancement is to share what we've learned with others. People who are greedy, and who keeps everything to themselves, in the end, they end up shorter than what they thought they'd might be.

AstralVibe

[AstralVibe]

wellto answer one of your questions a large percentage of people here can do very little if nothing at all. however thats not to say that there arent some very gifted people here as well. well myself personnally I have been doing a mixture of tai chi among other things to keep myself balanced and energized. about the things I can do.....hmm well some minor telekinetic stuff roll pencils, bend forks(without force) , ect....and I can do other things as well but as I have found at least for my self my own natural ability sways from day to day so what I can and cant do changes. I dont have any goals inparticular because usually If I do anything besides energy work I'll get nasty headaches like after I mess with the weather (which I dont suggest doing). oh and I forgot to say I have already studied in reiki healing and I am quite good at it if I do say so but usually I found the most effective way would be pain transfere. oh and about the two masters  on there I HIGHLY doubt there is such a person on this forum although I could be wrong but I would say those people are so rare you would be lucky to ever meet someone like that.
and it is unfortunate to say that occasionally you recieve either no replies for a long time or a couple fluffly posts. but the moderators here are pretty good about getting around to answer a majority of the posts here.

Thats cool, any article you could recommend me to psychokinesis?

Are you familiar with Nei Kung? I read a bit about it being the more intense of internal energy work. Taoist Immortal Alchemy of some sort. Wonder why they put Immortal and alchemy behind it? Any book or article you might also recommend me for Nei Kung as well. I download some of my stuff on demonoid.com, and their from Mantak Chia. Just finish downloading them, havn't been able to check them out yet, although I don't see anywhere in there mentioning electric work. I saw title label " energy heat work."

The Magus of Java: Teachings of an Authentic Taoist Immortal by Kosta Danaos, tells the eye witness of the amazing skill of John Chang, the master who can control fire and electric, levitate, and also cut things with his energy. Kosta Danaos apparently saw the documentary of John Chang called, "Ring of Fire," for some reason I can't find the dvd or video torrent for that except for the short clip I posted. And decided to go to Java, an island somewhere around China. Anyhow, he was able to convince John to train him, and wrote a few books, although ithis book only include 4 levels of training. There are total of 72 levels, Master John said that it would be way too dangerous to practice without a mentor/teacher. But still, most of the stuff we are doing here are dangerous as well, a person who can not wield a sword, of course can hurt himself, rather than help himself and others.

AstralVibe

[GANAMOHA]

I though magus of java was an excellant book fiction or non-fiction. I got the second one on practicing it and the information was very basic and proved to be a little dull. So basically if you already know your basics in meditation and the standard exercises you really dont need anything from the book. and if you wished to go beyond the second book and do what was mentiooned to be dangerous in the first book you would have to go out on a limb and try a couple things. I myself when I first tried to join the two energies of the spiritual and then the physical (yin and yang) got a horrible burning sensation and I became worried I could ruin this permanently for myself so I had to let a lot of the energy gathered over a period of months and months of training out of my body and the pain slowy went away. Now I am doing a more gradual process of this and it seems to work better than everything all at once but in truth I am no expert so whether or not I am doing it right is another, serious question to ask yourself.

[AstralVibe]

I though magus of java was an excellant book fiction or non-fiction. I got the second one on practicing it and the information was very basic and proved to be a little dull. So basically if you already know your basics in meditation and the standard exercises you really dont need anything from the book. and if you wished to go beyond the second book and do what was mentiooned to be dangerous in the first book you would have to go out on a limb and try a couple things. I myself when I first tried to join the two energies of the spiritual and then the physical (yin and yang) got a horrible burning sensation and I became worried I could ruin this permanently for myself so I had to let a lot of the energy gathered over a period of months and months of training out of my body and the pain slowy went away. Now I am doing a more gradual process of this and it seems to work better than everything all at once but in truth I am no expert so whether or not I am doing it right is another, serious question to ask yourself.

GANAMOHA, any book you could recommend me that work energy to this extreme? I read your other reply for Nei Kung book review, you didn't seem to post a title. I'll keep you updated on the Mantak Chia, he wrote alot of books, so I'm assuming its good. Also, maybe you could give me some pointer? How do you bend spoons, and the rolling pencile.

You comment on healing by transfering the pain, wouldn't that be a bit of a restriction, because you would have to always cleanse yourself afterwards. Reiki style healing is using universal energy, therefore you nether get hurt or tranfer pain/illness, or even get depleted of energy.

Any tip is always appreciated, I just had a break through tonight, I can see my energy taking form a bit. I can also see the aura around my hands. I've always seen the white band of aura around my hands, but now I see a band of blue. Also when you stand behind a light, you can actually see two shadows, or a bigger body. Isn't that aura from light shining at you? I was pretty amazed, and excited at the same time. Another level up for me, I'm closer to healing my family. They won't let me heal them, cause they think I'm incompetent, and they think it takes decades to learn this stuff. Or they think only special people can do this... This is why I need to show them that I can manipulate energy by setting something on fire.


AstralVibe

[Novice]

They won't let me heal them, cause they think I'm incompetent, and they think it takes decades to learn this stuff. Or they think only special people can do this... This is why I need to show them that I can manipulate energy by setting something on fire.

Ok, I have to throw out two thoughts for you here:

1) Regardless of how well you can heal, if someone doesn't want to be healed or doesn't believe you can heal them, they won't heal -- at least that has been my experience. Healing is greatly dependent upon the mind/beliefs of the individual being healed and less on the ability of the healer.

2) Is setting something on fire the only way to show them?    Why is it so cricitcal to prove yourself to them? This could be my interpretation, but your posts seem to have a subtle desperate quality to them. I would suggest that you take a break from attempting to prove skills to others and instead simply focus on your practice. If they are really interested in this stuff, or in being healed, then at some point they will take the initiative to give it a try. Perhaps try to focus on training and practice and let your family believe what they want.

Just a thought!

[AstralVibe]

They took out 1 of the video, good thing I downloaded it with firefox soft. Here are some others I've found to be interesting. This is great stuff, bending/manipulating space/energy to make this kind of stuff work. Anyway enjoy the videos, any comment is always welcome.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=3JYGqVA9xc4
Imagine what you could do to a crook who trys to rob you.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SXsFndVCjMk
Awesome technique, get your enemy without them even seeing you.


AstralVibe