Spontanious conbustion..... energy manipulation?

[Epsilon]

Ah yes, SHC (spontaneous human combustion)... very strange phenomenon.  Another interesting thing about SHC is that sometimes a body will burn so hot that it has been known to burn through several floors, yet the building never catches fire, only the immediate area around the victim.  Very strange... it's definitely energy within the person causing this, but why?

[Tom]

There are cases involving the wicking effect. The fat melts into the clothing and the body burns like the wax of a candle on its wick. An experiment was done involving wrapping a dead pig in a blanket.

[gerble king]

I saw a show where they demonstrated what I believe is the true cause of spontanious combustion.  A few backgroud facts first.  1.  It is an American phenomenon.  They do not report such things in europe.  2.  The person burns but the surroundings don't.  Well the explaination and demonstration went like this.  When a fat person catches on fire with a sweater of some other like material they act like a candle.  The fat melts and is suched up through the sweater or other porious material causeing the person to slowly burn with a flame only a few inches tall.  The scientist proposing this theory even had a video recording in which he burned a fat cadaver adn sure enough after about 12 hours of a slow low burn, the body and bones had been incinerated just like in other 'spontanious combustion' cases.  I do not mean to question your beliefs but I think that reason should be applied to understaning the world, both physical and etheral.


-repay evil with kindness

[What Tha Phak]

yeah, gerble king, I think I saw that experiment, too. On the Discovery channel I think it was.  It even presented ideas that chakras were respsonsible for summoning the amount of energy needed for this type of thing.  I find it very strange that, as you say, SHC is only reported in the U.S.  But then again, maybe we are the only ones who are intelligent enough to investigate the possibilities(heh, j/k).  Has anyone ever heard of an international SHC case?

[What Tha Phak]

also wanted to point out again... it literally take HOURS for a corpse to  desentegrate in the whole, out of flames.  These are reported with MINUTES!!  now explain that one!

[Frozen Heroics]

From what I understand about SHC is that the molecules (or atoms) in a person's body suddenly start to speed up at such an uncanny rate, that the person ends up burning themselves alive because their body's molecules/atoms aren't meant to move at such speeds. It's basically the reason why nothing else around the person catches fire, too, because it's the person's own molecules speeding up and not actually gases in the air combusting.

This also explains why the person experiencing SHC burns through building floors without setting anything ablaze. Their molecules are just moving so fast they start ripping apart/boring through other physical objects, and not neccesarily setting them on fire.

Least, that's the theory I'm down with. Also, it's most believed to happen in the U.S. due to the massive amount of genetically altered/engineered foods we eat. It just begins to screw with your chemical balance so much, that the molecules/atoms making up your body can't handle it and poof.

[What Tha Phak]

hmmm.... interesting theory.  That reminds me of Star Wars, when Luke gets his hand cut off by Dart Vader or whatever.. the energy (and hotness?) of the light sabor is so great that it just just cleanly slices  through matter with no problem.  SBH is such a mysterious occurence that we know so little about.

[cainam_nazier]

The US is not the only place that this happens.  It is just where a majority of the cases have been.  No major reason given for this though.  The infrequency of SHC makes it difficult to understand and study.  

I have seen the two major experiments on the subject, the one with the pig and the one with the cadaver.  In both there was one unreproducable event that occures during SHC.  The fact that the bodies in SHC are burned from the inside out, and they do know that for a fact now.  The item that gives away the details from SHC and the experiements were the bones that remained.  

In true SHC the bones in the effected area are completely destroyed while bone and tissue in the uneffected areas are largely unmarked.  This has proven to be some what difficult to reproduce.  In the experiements the bones were not totally destroyed and also noted the damamge was over the entire body and not localized to one area.  In both the expirements and true SHC cases the bones reveal a lot about the direction of the "fire".  

Have you ever burned the end of a stick?  If so you should have noticed that after, the end of the stick that was burn forms a blunted point.  Bone reacts very much the same way when only burned on one end.  The bone fragments that survived from the expirements were damamged in very much the same way.  However bone fragments surviving a true SHC case are often burned in the other direction.  What I mean is that the end of the bone end form cups and not points or they are flat as if the fire suddenly stopped after destroying the section in front of it.  The cup in the bone shows that the heat was coming from inside the bone and not from the out side.  

This does not fully support the idea that SHC starts inside the bone but that in some cases that the heat source at the edges of the effected area reached into the bones core before engulfing it.


Also I have been looking at various psi related activities and on one site I found some information dealing with pyro and cryo-kenesis.  This being the ability to heat and cool obeject respectively.  The individual clamed that during his studies he had accedentally burned himself a good number of times and one such incident put him in the hospital with sever burns to his hands.  The individual made clams that he could maintain his body temp no matter the temperature out side.

Now I know the body can do this normally to some degree.  It is one of the reasons we sweat and shiver when either too hot or too cold.  This leads me to wonder what the temperature was in the areas where SHC has occured.  Was perhaps the room the person was in just a little too cold for thier body?  Was thier body making attempts to raise its core temp when a malfunction occured?  Could certain consious thouhgts trigger this effect?  Simple things like thinking/saying "I wish it was a little warmer."

Just a few things for you to think about....

[Frozen Heroics]

Cainam,

That's actually a pretty interesting theory in itself. Everybody's capable of raising their internal body temp. to some degree, and sometimes, just sometimes, a malfunction in the brain occurs when attempting to control a specific chemical movement in the body. Though I'm not sure that with hundreds of thousands of centuries of evolutional fine tuning that the human body could make such a drastic mistake as to kick itself up to incredible tempatures when trying to heat itself up a couple degrees.

Also, all the cases of SHC I've heard of have taken place in the summer. Granted, I haven't heard or read about THAT many. Just four or five, sooo... I wonder if SHC has happened a lot over history or if it's mostly connected to the 20th and 21st century?

The wholes in the ozone layer could cause some bodies with a unique chemical balance to absorb a dangerous level of UV rays or energies normally unable to enter the earth's atmosphere in part to the ozone layer, all more so then the human body's capable of holding, and then added with the funky chemical balance of said human body... FWOOOSH. Living barbeque. Plus if SHC is mostly (not totally) in the U.S., the heavy polution could play some part as well.

Heh, whoa... this board's gotten more scientificy then etherally (why does that sound like Ithraeli?)...

[cainam_nazier]

Frozen Heroics,
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"That's actually a pretty interesting theory in itself. Everybody's capable of raising their internal body temp. to some degree, and sometimes, just sometimes, a malfunction in the brain occurs when attempting to control a specific chemical movement in the body. Though I'm not sure that with hundreds of thousands of centuries of evolutional fine tuning that the human body could make such a drastic mistake as to kick itself up to incredible tempatures when trying to heat itself up a couple degrees. "
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I believe that it is very possible that the body can make those kinds of mistakes.  And the fine tuning of the human machine has even more to do with it, IMO.  The rate of genetic birth defects continues to climb, and I see this as no different.  It could very well be that we are begining to see this more because the haman race is still evolving and in different directions than before.  Survival of the fittest is no longer the driving force behind evolution and the human evultionary path is begining to branch out in directions that were before not aligned with the survival of the fittest plan.  

Because of this more and more abnormalities are being see now more than ever.  As the path of evolution takes in to areas where more and more combinations are being tried it is logical to assume that there would be more mishaps and defects.

[Mgkeeper]

maybe, these people are VERY spiritually sensitive. And they interacted with something very bad. That would explain why so few people SC. Also, maybe these people just really wanna die. And the reason why all suicidal people dont SC is because only the VERY spiritual ones can will their bodies to combust

[cainam_nazier]

Maybe, but geesh....It sounds like a pretty painful way to go.  I would "will" that on anyone.

[Mgkeeper]

lol you WOULD will that on someone?? (im j/k) But maybe the people didnt think, "oh i wanna combust" they were just thinking they wanted to die.....

[n/a]

could itbe that maybe the eople who spontaneously combst have somehting in there genes them so they can warm and col ther body's more than a nrmal person, if so like someone said earlier, if they getreally upset or are thiking "i wanna die" the might competey by mistake end up overheating theselvesand buning.
justa thought that came to me...

[cainam_nazier]

.....I think I forgot a couple of letters. WOULDN'T.  

I don't know the body just seems to have a natural aversion to pain, even if they want to die they really don't want it to hurt.

I would think more along the lines also of an uncontrolled temper.  I know my body heat changes when I get angery.  And it seems that in todays world more people are getting upset about what is going on in the world and on TV/Radio.  Some times just watching or listening to a show can tinkle you off......and then poof.

[Mgkeeper]

ur temp chasnges when ur mad?? i dont think thats a good thing, even if its more spiritual that way. That could hurt you, cause brain damage, or even kill you. Theres a reason were warm blooded. Our temps have to be a certain level.

[cainam_nazier]

It happens to most people....Where do you think the term "hot headed" came from.  It is just that most people don't realize it because they are thinking of other things....Like the source of thier aggitation.

[What Tha Phak]

I've been thinking about spontanious conbustions for a while now...  A whole lot of evidence surrounding this phenomena points out that the cause of the majority of the occasions have no external causes whatsoever.  What I mean is, in most of the cases, there was absolutely no forensic evidence to show ANY causes of death was maybe, for example, catching fire from a cigerette, surge of energy from a nearby outlet, fireplace going, candles burning, nada! Non of these reasons have any revelence.  In fact, most of these cases were reproted within MINUTES of last sight of the person completely normal.  Experiments and common sense would say it would take hours to completely disentegrate a body in flames... this happens within minutes!  Possibly seconds!  Also, the body parts recovered are usually UNBURNED and UNINGULFED!!  I'm thinking, through possibly fluke accident, or intention, the body is capable of self-destruction!  Maybe our energy body has the potential of a natural mechanism that can disentegrate itself..... willfully!?  And maybe out of malfunction...[?]