What happened?

[Jelal67]

I never really was one for the mystical when I began having "experiences." Some people would call it alien abduction, others call them astral entities, whatever they are, it doesn't matter. I would awaken to a paralyzed, immediately become fearful because I knew what was about to happen, and suddenly I was seized by hands. I would try to fight, but I was to weak. It sometimes felt like a needle was being pierced through my right side and into my liver. Occasionally I would have other, more stereotypical experiences, but those are irrelevant. I found that sometimes If I simply woke up into the paralyzed state, I would have an OBE. It felt like something pulled me out and unveiled the whole universe unto me. It was so glorious that I have almost become obsessed trying to "go back." Back then I didn't know about astral projection and had no idea what was going on.

And still I'm pretty confused. What "pulled me out"? What were those things that hurt me so bad?

I have been recently deeply meditating and am getting close to astral projecting myself, without any "outside help."

But I still don't get it.

This post is somewhat off topic, but If anyone has any insight or similar experiences, I'd be much obliged.

[Hans Solo]

I would awaken to a paralyzed, immediately become fearful because I knew what was about to happen, and suddenly I was seized by hands

  This is also how it started for me, and numerous other people.  If you read Robert Monroe's book Far journeys he talks about how guides usually appear in a black sort of shadowy robe.  After awhile the robe disappears but they are still there.  You are interpreting the foreigness of these entities as being hostile just because they are so "alien" (not in the literal term). 

Next time this happens you have to allow yourself to go with the experience and try and make contact with these entities, or simply express an intent once you are out of your body (sometimes it helps more to feel the intent rather than speak it). You just have to keep your fear in check.

For me, once i really started to delve into this subject these experience stopped.  Which reminds me... I need to ask for help more often.

Han

[Jelal67]

I have noticed that I don't see anything, just haze and I feel a presence. I noticed that when I stopped fighting, that not only were the experinces perhaps the most amazing thing that I have ever felt/experinced, but that they have essentially stopped. Now that I understand that they are not something to fear, perhaps I will start asking for more "help".

[Jelal67]

Han, you are amazing.

Because of you, last night I had my first OBE experince that I could control....

It was so awe-inspiring.

Of course, it only leads to more questions, but at least I'm a little bit closer ot understanding than I was before.

Thanks, Jelal

[Hans Solo]

Wow, Thanks!  You'll have to tell me all about it.  I'll try and answer any question you have, but I doubt I'll be that much help once you actually learn how to get out.  I have so many questions I could ask people who are far more advanced than me.

Han

[Jelal67]

I woke up, and thought "hey this would be an awesome time to try OBE" the next thing I know I "feel" myself separate... it was so awesome... I couldn't move or see well, it was almost dreamlike.. and I walked out of my door. The kitchen lights were on, yet I knew they shouldn't be. Understanding that this was OBE and that my subjective personality can overlay dreams, this didn't really bug me. I decided to float through my roof... and I watched as drywall, then wood, then past the fiberglass insulation that lines my attic passed by me like a cross section... again, this was really, really cool. Then I decided I wanted to visit the moon... and instantly I was in space and could see the earth below, yet (this was probably a dream overlay) there was a massive yellow space station thing, shaped like a huge, hollow, cylinder... I clarified my request by saying... THE MOON, and instantly I was there, if but for a second... I think it was yellow for some reason. Then I went someplace else, my memory is real hazy, and finally I decided to visit my girlfriend. I arrived and all I could see was her in her bed, yet it wasn't very clear. A voice said "try and find her..." so I did. Next thing I remember I had her head in my arms and was running my hand across her head. she asked my who I was, in thought, and I told her it was me, she said where was I, and I told her that i was right there, yet elsewhere at the same time. she seemed confused (she seemed like she was still asleep and dreaming), then I essentially showed her in thought what I meant. 

The whole time, it felt like someone was their, watching me and protecting me, in fact I think they helped pull me out...

Yet it was so dreamlike, and I have so many gaps in memory and my vision sucked... Yet it was more than a dream. I could move better and remembered the experience better as well.... The whole experince was no longer than a minute.

Later, while watching I saw that the moon had taken the orange tint that occasionaly does... I'm trying to rember why... well anyways, I asked her today if she had any weird dreams, but she said she doesn't remember....

So, was this a dream, or OBE?

[Hans Solo]

So, was this a dream, or OBE

Definitely an OBE.  If you were aware then you were most likely out of body.  The thing about OBE's is that sometimes they feel hazy like a dream and can be a bit hard to remember.  It is sort of like a volume knob on a stereo, sometimes they are extremely vivid(like turning the volume louder) and sometimes they are very fragmented and dreamy like (like turning the volume down). 

The key thing you want to do is keep the volume high so to speak.  The way to create more awareness in an OBE is to ask for more clarity, "Clarity increase!", or something like that.  Also, you can do exercises in the physical that will help a great deal in the nonphysical realms.  You could practice being in the moment, or increase everyday awareness, in the physical.  This awareness will usually carry over into the non physical.  Another exercise you could do is practice concentration exercises, which will also help enormously in your everyday life, and in projecting.  They say that you can increase your concentration so much that one is able to merge their consciousness with an object, this is called Samadhi.  After mastering concentration they say that one can sit for an hour with out a single thought running through their mind....(ohh, I have so very far to go  )

The best book on concentration is Mouni Sadhu's "Concentration: A guide to Mental Mastery".  It's tough to find but well worth the price.  Also, the book by Ernest wood is also very good.

It is very common for people to ask "Was it a dream or an OBE?", and sometimes they are disappointed.  They have to remember that they will get better at perceiving the non physical realms as they are there more, and that some realms have a different quality than others.  Most people start of in the RTZ.

Han

[Jelal67]

Thanks a ton, clears up alot of questions I've been having... I geuss I'll be making  a run to Barns and Noble's after I get paid. Any advice on moving past the RTZ?

[Hans Solo]

B&N won't have it, you probably need to go to Abebooks.com.  To move past the RTZ read this post:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_obe_discussions/how_can_i_leave_foc_2-t18538.0.html;msg163687#msg163687

Read Frank's post, he was very adept at traveling in the inner realms.

Han

[Jelal67]

KK, thanks for the info.