gray-s aliens in astral plane

[gray-s]

  I want alien to talk about aliens in the astral plane such as the gray-s.

[Stookie]

OK - so do you have something to say about it? or do you have a question?

[Golden Light]

I had an experience with one but not sure what to call it - dream, ap, oobe?  It's under experiences I believe. What is it you want to talk about?  I'm listening.....


Golden Light

[Jelal67]

I dobnt really like them. We have a history going back to when I was about six years old. I suffered, and yes, I say suffer, from "alien abduction" experinces, which were often terrifying and painful. When I got over my fear and bagan looking more into spirituality, they left me alone. When we talked that didn't seem half bad, but they didn't seem to have the ability to empathize with me and what they were doing. Although, if it wasn't for them, I wouldn't know anything about AP...

[Golden Light]

Did they know they were making you suffer? And do you recall their appearance, what it looked like where you were?  Was this an AP experience or physical? You seem to want to talk about it and I'm willing to listen. But I understand if you don't want to get into it too deep.   

Golden Light

[Mustardseed]

I met a grey only one time during a projection. Did not bother me just watched what I was doing. No idea what he was/is not a fan of UFOs

[Golden Light]

I've recently begun wondering if they are really from far away or just from another dimension? Perhaps they have been able to project for a long time and have observed us in this way.  If they are able to manifest, meaning create what they want (like we are all supposed to be able to do on the astral plane) then perhaps they are manifesting themselves in certain ways or showing us things in that way. I'm not really sure how or what I'm trying to say other than - I'm not certain the are from far away - and I'm not certain that take everyone physically. Perhaps much communication is done on the mental level - dream level - astral level?

I really don't know just pure supposition.

Golden Light

[Jelal67]

Your very right Golden, the majoriy of my experinces were ones that occured "in my head" although, some were quite physical. They seem to be studying us in extreme detail. The majority were AP, when the would manifest in my concious while I was in a state of sleep paralysis. Typicaly I would resist and would try to fight them, except my vody felt like it was made of lead. Sometimes I could push that back, and that seemed to scare the hell out of them, and they would come back in greater numbers. When I couldn't fend them off, things would either go very black, unaturally and scarily so, much like being put under heavy anesthesia, yet I was still somewhat concious something bad was happening to me. Other times it felt like they drove a huge hypodermic needle into my right side. It was extremly painful. When I capitulated to them, because sometimes I was just to tired to fight, they would "pull me out" and I would have an OBE.

I only had several "physical" experinces, and they were scary as hell. One time I awoke to find myself naked on a table in a dark room, and there was a large collection of them in the room. I felt like it was some sort of instructional demonstration. The one placed a large needle like device into my right ear, and then everything was black. My ear rang for days... Another time I was simply beemed straight from me bed, and I was scanned by something I did not like. It was a hand held device that seemed to have some sort of unconcious meaning to me. I kept my eyes closed in fear, I could tell everything in the room, without opening my eyes. I was connecteed to them some how...

There are more, but I'm getting tired, I'll write about it later...

[Nay]

I've never had a dream or a projection that involved an alien, until about two months ago. 

They showed me something but the minute I woke up I for the life of me couldn't remember.  I even went back and tried to focus on the area and every time I made it right to the spot, it was completely black and stayed that way.  Guess I'll never know what they showed me.

It was wild because they communicated with this huge screen that was like a mile across in the sky and they answered my questions before I could even get the thought complete in my head, which I totally love.   It was so fluid and made so much sense to communicate this way, not to mention it felt very natural.

Still don't know what that was all about. 

[Novice]

It was wild because they communicated with this huge screen that was like a mile across in the sky and they answered my questions before I could even get the thought complete in my head,

Whoa, Nay this is too wierd. I had a very similar experience but had completely forgotten about it until I read your post. Several years ago I was phasing and came across these 'people'. I didn't sense them as aliens, just beings of some sort. But anyways, at one point I was standing in front of this huge screen, just like you describe. Anytime I would start thinking of something, they would reply by flashing the answer across the screen. I wrote it down in my journal, but upon waking I couldnt' remember what I asked or what they answered (it got really frustrating because I know it was really neat info but I just couldn't remember what it was).

Hmmm, wonder if these are the same people you were with?

[Nay]

Whoa, that is weird!  I never saw them and I can't be sure if they were the "aliens" that people talk about but I definitely felt they were different than me.

It certainly sounds like the same experience, doesn't it?  Interesting that we both had problems retaining the information...   I want to add that not once, during the whole time did I feel anything evil or out of place, in fact I was quite happy to be having the experience, a bit giddy if you will.  

Very cool.

[Golden Light]

Very interesting you two!  (Talanay and Novice)

I'd like to ask you both if you also "felt" their feelings? Can you remember?

In my one "dream" experience, I was also giddy in a sense. I was elated that I was there with her. And I only became nervous or a bit "freaked-out" when it began to feel way too real. And that is when I asked her, if I was dreaming or if it was a dream.  To which she answered - no, you're not dreaming.

I don't recall a screen.  Very interesting. Can you remember your surroundings in that experience - either of you?

Golden Light

[Nay]

Hey Golden Light,

I was at some outside market and it was at night.  I recall a wonderful star filled night with a slight warm breeze.  There were people milling about, minding their own business.  My best friend was with me and interesting enough, they wanted me to keep the thing they showed me a secret from her.  I keep nothing from her so, I wonder if this is one reason why they took the memory of what they showed me away.....  ?   

I need to clairify that they showed me an object, which was down on the ground with me.  The screen was us talking back and forth at an incredible speed.  Well, more like they knew what I was thinking before I did and then would respond with flashing (as Novice described) answers across the screen... kinda like a marquee... I think marquee is the correct term.

I wasn't too worried about not remembering, but now I'm a bit bummed that I can't recall one dang thing.  It's been awhile since the experience but I could maybe get into a zone and see if any of the feelings or answers come back.  I'll ponder over it for a few days and see if anything happens.

[Golden Light]

Good, I hope you're able to come up with some "memory". But if not, well, I know how that goes.   

I'll be looking forward to your post...

Golden Light

[Novice]

Hi Golden Light.

My scenery was different from TalaNay's. I somehow found myself in a huge room -- similar to a huge ampitheatre, but slightly bigger. I don't remember sensing any objects in the room, like furniture or anything. it was just me and some of the people I was communicating with. But they always stood to the side of me. I was facing this huge screen that took up the whole length and height of the room. Directly in front of me and within arm's reach was a type of control panel, but it only had a few buttons on it. At first, I was trying to type my questions, but I couldn't figure out how to get it to work. Then I realized I didn't need to type.

Like TalaNay said, I felt nothing sinister or 'bad' about them. I also didn't get the sense that these were 'angel-like' beings either. They simply had a neutral feel to them. But I knew they were there to hurt me in any way. I was excited that I was able to ask and get answers to a bunch of questions. That was the reason I was bummed when I couldn't remember the questions or answers.

I have noticed that occasionally I seem to somehow be prevented from remembering certain pieces of information while I'm out. Instances of this happening are different than me simply forgetting things upon waking. I can remember every nuance of an experience (as I did with this one -- I had written it all down at the time). But the only gap in my memory was related to the information that was exchanged. This has happened other times as well. Where I ask a question, one that is important to me, and I'm thrilled that I have 'the answer.' But when I wake up, I recall everything, including my excitement at knowing the answer, but I can never remember the answer. Its as if I am somehow censoring what I bring back to waking consciousness. Either that or someone else is censoring it for me. I've pondered this enough to know that I simply can't recall the information unless I'm 'allowed'. And It seems to be linked with things in waking life. Like coming to some conclusion on my own will allow a piece of info to flow into the consciousnes stream. Not sure if that makes sense or not.

[Golden Light]

Novice,

Yep, that sounds like you're not supposed to "know" that in waking life - just yet. Thanks for sharing - very cool experience.   

Golden LIght

[Jelal67]

I've never gotten the sense they wanted to hurt me, the just were cold. When I talked to them, (in thought) they always told me everything was okay and I got the sense that they would have prefered not to hurt me...

My first actual projection I had one as a guide, it was one of the few positive experinces I ever had with a gray. I awoke into sleep paralysis and one pulled me out. When I was out and aware of OBE, it took me everywhere I asked it. It was trying to mentor me, teach me what it is like and some of the basics of OBE. I noticed that even if I can't see them, I simply know that it is one of them.

[Golden Light]

Jelal67

Oh - thanks for clarifying that because I was under the assumption that you thought they DID want to hurt you. That's interesting. As I said before, I never felt threatened by them. I was fearful simply because my reality seemed to change.  And it felt safe to think of it as a dream but the moment I became "lucid" that shocked me.

And I find it interesting that perhaps many of these "experiences" I've read about recently may in fact be via AP/OOBE. I know I read that when their "victims" remember them, they can recall the aliens going through walls or windows...and how else would they be able to accomplish this? To me, it seems that it would be in the AP/OOBE state.

Have you all heard or experienced that anomaly?

Golden LIght

[Jelal67]

got pulled through my wall one time... that was disorienting.

Another time, and this was a postive experince, they were showing me the samandhi. I phased into my bed, and it was AMAZING!!! It felt so beautiful, and I had the most gorgeous imagry. They tend to show rather than talk.

[Golden Light]

Jelal67,

samandhi

Could you explain what this is - I'm not familiar with it.

I never heard them speak either.  (her speak either) I "felt" what she wanted me to feel. I have to say it was amazing. Or perhaps I interpretted it as feeling? But whatever way she communicated, it was in huge chunks. Kind of like a paragraph or sentence being dumped into my brain all at once YET it was clear, never confusing.

What intrigues me now - thinking back - is that she had the ability to turn it on and turn it off. Like, when I messed up, at the end, she just turned off the switch. It was GONE - a wall was up and no matter how hard I tried to "read" her or feel her thoughts - it was like she was not even there. VERY Cool - albeit frustrating at the time.

Golden Light

[Golden Light]

Jelal67 and all:

About being pulled through that wall - now how would that happen in the physical world, couldn't right? And I NOW remember reading this book a month or so ago that claims this woman went right through a closed window!  How can that happen unless it is in the Astral - nonphysical?

If my memory is not tricking me, I seem to recall that many of these abductions happen like that.  They do seem to have an astral quality to them yet I don't recall any of the investigators making that connection.  It seemed they instead made the connection t hat the aliens were able to manipulate the laws of physics....but it seems that if this is all true - working in the nonphysical makes more sense to me.

It's also sneakier! You know? I mean for those that may have these experiences it's easier to file under wacky dream category.  They can get to you without anyone else knowing - because you're still in your bed - should anyone wake up.

Thoughts on that or maybe it's been talked to death already?

Golden Light

[Jelal67]

The majority of the experinces did feel astral and occured in a state similiar to them. How could I have been pulled through a wall? Changing molecular phase so that I could two particles could exist in the same place at ounce, like two electronic signals being on different phases and existing on the same wire (same way DSL works) Just a thought though. The laws of physics are being revealed more as guidelines. Quantum and Relitivistic physics, along with String Theory show this. If they have the technology to manipulate space time then it isn't beyond reason to suppose that they can do something like this. Conversly, perhaps they are also spiritually evolved and can manipulate in the astral. This goes with my theory that they do both, testing our physical nature and spiritual nature. That would explain the bloody marks on my friends hand when one came near him (it apparently misjudged his level of sleep, and got the excrement kicked out of it, but thats a whole 'nother story, lol) I noticed invoking the name of God makes them run, and sometimes If I'm really ticked they just get up and run. They are just as afraid of us as we are of them. I think they fear that our latent power may awaken and we couldn't control it, a reasonable fear.

The telepathic thing is kewl, I remember trying to get into her head and it wouldn't work either.

Samandhi is the movement of conciousness into another object.

[Golden Light]

Jelal67:

I LOVE LOVE LOVE String Theory! I watched a multi-part special on it I think a year ago??? Is that right? Hmm, but I found it incredibly fascinating -

Everything "vibrating" at the "string" level - a level we can't detect yet with use of microscopes that the theory/hypothesis says is there.

Multidimensions! The hypothesis also supposes that there are something like 12 or more dimensions! They explained it as a loaf of bread sliced.  And the dimensions exist side by side.  If they bump eachother they extrapolated that a new world could be made. And that you might be able to cross the dimensions - however we are unable not only to envision other dimensions but also unable to see them at this time.

It was the COOLEST show.  (PBS)

Yes, I can buy that if they are able to travel and are advanced enough we have no concept of their capabilities.  I only meant that it seemed (and you seemed to agree  ) that many of these experiences may have taken place in the astral where the manipulation of objects ect seems easier. ?

Now, you know I'm gonna ask because I just can't help myself but What the HECK? Someone brawled with an alien?  Do tell!

Golden Light