a REAL newbie here

[cainam_nazier]

Read, be open, and question every thing.  Also take it one step at a time and you also must realize that it is not just snap your fingers and it happens.

And also try to make your questions more specific based on your experiences.  You said that you don't know any thing about "this astral stuff".  Does that mean you have never had an experience that you could not fully explain?  If you have had some thing happen that you can not explain then try starting there.  Quesiton that one experience, see if there are any books on the subject, as questions here about it, and see if there are any people here who have had similar things happen.

It would also help to explain what your 1st goal is, and describe any problems that you have had getting there.

Other than that, welcome.

[Bob251]

Well, I'm new to this myself.  I've heard that a good first step is Robert Bruce's NEW Energy Ways.  There's a link to an on-line and downloadable book floating around here somewhere on this board.  After about 6 months of researching, that's where I decided I should start.  Problem is finding time to do it [].

Also, if you don't want to sound like a newbie or non-believer, avoid using the word "stuff" [].

[panabelle]

Yeah, I'm kinda new too, but I seem to have a different approach than everyone else. I read a lot about other people's techniques, and if I like them I try them. I'm not sure there really is any specific place to start, although I would recommend the four-fold breath and then just feeling your energy. (Sorry, but I am SO not intersted in "astral stuff."[])(And I don't want to get slammed for saying it doesn't exist. [] I think it does, I'm just better suited to energy development.)

Also, don't worry if you don't seem to get the same reaction as everyone else. I was kinda worried when I didn't seem to be feeling my ki storage...place in the same location as everyone else (theirs appears to be near the navel, while mine is closer to the heart) but I just went with it and I've made a lot of progress.

Then again, I could be completely wrong since I only have the faintest clue what I'm doing.[]

[Mgkeeper]

thats what i wanna know about, channeling, using, etc. my ki......how do i do that??

[panabelle]

Well, like I said, a good place to start is doing the four-fold breath. You inhale for around four seconds (don't count, it defeats the purpose) hold it for about 2, exhale for 4, hold empty lungs for 2, and repeat.

This always helps me get in the ~mood~ for ki stuffs - I mean, activities.[]
Then, just as a beginner thing, after you're all relaxed feel the Ki coursing through every fiber of you. Feel it pulsing. The center of this activity should be somewhere around your stomach, but like I said before, don't worry if it's not exactly there.

Don't get frustrated. Take a break or something if you're frustrated, becuase it won't work then.

There's TONS of material on this site in the energy development section for beginnners. I would start by sifting through it and picking out relevant topics.

And if you watch the show DragonBallZ, that wouldn't hurt either...[]
Just don't get any crazy ideas!


Buena suerte!

[PeacefulWarrior]

Me: The Astral is everywhere, it is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, or when go to church or when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

You: What truth?

Me: That you are a slave, my friend.  Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. (long pause, sighs) Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Astral is. You have to see it for yourself. This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back.


Me: You sign out of this website and the story ends. You wake tomorrow in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. (a copy of Astral Dynamics is in my other hand) You read this book, among other things, and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. (Long pause; newbie begins to reach for the book) Remember -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more.
(newbie takes the book and and glances at the cover...)

[panabelle]

Um...call me naive, but last chance for what?[|)]

[Mgkeeper]

rofl @ the matrix fan. But i do watch DBZ alot, thats y i think using ki is interesting. But after doing the 4 breath thing, then what do i do (by the way, im not feeling anything)

[Mgkeeper]

Ok, i don't know anything about any of this astral stuff. I know i sound like a non-believer when i say that, but i want to learn how to do this stuff. I really believe that it can be done, i just dont know how to do the stuff. Can you guys help me out?? I want info on doing everything!!