Homosexuality and the forces of Resurrection?

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Dear members of this Forum,

Some time ago I discovered the Forbidden Letters to Philip Gardiner.

www.world-mysteries.com/PhilipGardiner/

The Letters seem to explain the Secrets of the Kingdom of God who seem to be about alchemy. Alchemy is not about turning lead into gold, that is only metaphor, it is about turning a mortal body (lead) into an immortal (golden) one.

This process is called the Work of the Sun of the Great Work. It is started with a fire, India calls Kundalini, and we call The Holy Spirit.

That fire consumes us and rebuilds us (Phoenix).

Hence ' he who is near me is near the fire, and he who is near the fire is near the Kingdom ' [Jesus in Thomas]

Many people claim to have had that fire, but the letters say that is not true. They say it will result in physical immortality. The resurrection is not meant for someone in a grave, you need a living spine and brain (tree of Life) to be resurrected from those not erected in that fire (let the dead bury the dead). [religion is myth/alchemy misundertood]

A stone is involved. The stone of alchemy, the living stone of 1 Peter 2:4. It pops up everywhere in history, and in one account it is said of that stone (the Grailstone) that it ignites a fire [By the power of that stone the Phoenix (human body in that fire) burns to ashes, but the ashes restore him to life again.]

Now, the Letters are quite cryptic. But we are in luck. In the left column you find great little articles who explain everything. The thing to do would be to read the following three articles before you start reading the Letters:

The one by Antoine de La Censerie (super!)

by RFC

and by Jonathan Rice.

Would love to hear your opinion!

P.S.

The Paris 4 (the authors of the Letters) are not sure (as they would later admit in theit newsletter), but it might just be that only certain homosexuals possess the 'necessary balance of the microcosmic male and female to safely conduct the forces of Resurrection. 

[kiwibonga]

Kundalini is raised by balancing two energy conduits that coil up on either side of the spine to allow kundalini energy to flow up a third, central channel. The two conduits are male and female in alchemy, respectively...

That article is interesting... I don't think all these people out there who "went public" are now officially immortal, but I really don't think they're frauds either. Raising kundalini is described as a short, spontaneous event which must be done repeatedly before reaching a hypothetical plateau or ceiling... Which, indeed, none of these public figures seem to have reached yet! (not surprising, since it is quite a feat)

Anyway, I'm going to copy something from Monroe's Ultimate Journey:

There is one that I would like to visit. You know what I mean.

The most mature and evolved human in physical earth, living in your time reference.

That is so. Can it be done?

Yes, but the result may not be what you expect.

I wish to try, all the same.

I shall lead you.

I followed the dwindling curl of light through the darknes, for I don't know how long. Suddenly I was in a room, a normal sort of room, sparsely furnished with a few chairs and easy chairs and a table. Two large windows allowed in rays of sunlight; outside there appeared to be a stand of tall trees. It could be anywhere on Earth.
At a desk on one side of the room sat a person. I couldn't tell whether it was male or female; the face and body structure could be either. The face was almost unlined, the hair light brown and down just around the ears; the age somewhere between thirty and fifty, as far as I could tell. The clothing was simple, a white shirt and dark slacks.
But it was the radiation that stunned me. It was like standing in bright spring sunlight that was filled with every human emotion that ever existed. It was almost overwhelming--and yet familiar. It was equally balanced. One moment it was male, then I was sure it was female. A true equal--a He/She. Heshe!
The radiation closed off. Heshe--there had to be a name--looked up. The eyes were bottomless; I could detect no expression or emission. The control was perfect, yet I could not understand the reason for the restraint.

The lips didn't move, but I heard. I was expecting this now. There was a warm chuckle in what I understood.

Heshe: "Heshe? I've never heard that name before."

Monroe: "I meant no disrespect. I didn't know what to call you."

[...]

M: "... You have lived only one physical lifetime. You have not been recycled, like the rest of us. But... How do I know these things?"

H: "You are reading my mind."

M: "Only a part of it, and with your permission, I'm sure. One continuous lifetime, for eighteen hundred years! How do you stay... young?"

H: "I keep changing jobs. That keeps anyone young. Is that a good answer?"

[...]

M: "Where do you eat and sleep?"

H: "I gave those up years ago."

It all comes together, hmm?

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Kundalini is raised by balancing two energy conduits that coil up on either side of the spine to allow kundalini energy to flow up a third, central channel. The two conduits are male and female in alchemy, respectively...

That article is interesting... I don't think all these people out there who "went public" are now officially immortal, but I really don't think they're frauds either. Raising kundalini is described as a short, spontaneous event which must be done repeatedly before reaching a hypothetical plateau or ceiling... Which, indeed, none of these public figures seem to have reached yet! (not surprising, since it is quite a feat)


It all comes together, hmm?

Dear Kiwibonga,

perhaps this makes sense. Quote nr. 5 of the Otto Reich article (see left articles-list)

"Reading the Forbidden Letters, all of a sudden the mystery seems solved why
Kundalini-awakenings in the past didn't lead to physical lightbodies and
physical immortality. And why, in teachings on alchemy, that lightbody was
gradually turned into an after-death-body and physical immortality into
soul-immortality or a prolonged life. (Only certain Tamil schools still
stick to their teachings on physical immortality.) - Because a
Kundalini-awakening is not yet the Work of the Sun. You apparently need the
whole thing. To produce that stone, to be decapitated, to have that wheel
raised in the head and to descend into the earth. All the things described
in the Great Work of Alchemy apparently have to happen to you.(...) The
Kundalini-awakening will be a vital part of the Great Work, but on itself
without a doubt only a sub-atomic phenomenon, although a potentially
extremely dangerous one."[Forum]

By the way, the Letters say that people who went public are not immortal.

This is taken from the de la Censerie-article (very impressive IMO):

'Reading Gardiner's [The Serpent Grail] manuscript, his initial insight was that to cure or heal others, the ancient shaman or tribal witchdoctor would mix snake's venom with snake's blood. The venom can kill, but the blood of the snake acts as an antidote to the poison and neutralises it, and so it was found that both mixed together would create a potent substance that, when swallowed, could cure most or all diseases.

However, Gardiner's angle was that the mixture of both the snake venom and blood was perhaps the original 'elixir of life' and this is what made his thesis refreshing and exciting.

In his original manuscript Gardiner stated that these two properties of the one snake were mixed in a 'human skull cap' – adding that this "bowl" was possibly the origin for the Holy Grail vessel.' [Gary Osborn]

Risible, because, as all true experts on the Grail know, and Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince pointed out in an interview...

'...the vessel idea of the Grail was not its original form. The first tales either didn't describe the mysterious Grail as anything in particular, or had it as a stone.'

Risible, because the single serpent of Asclepius of medicine, the one that also represents the shamans and witchdoctors of Gardiner, has absolutely nothing to do with the intertwined serpents of the Caduceus of Hermes, who represent alchemical transformation and the Elixir of Life, being a by-product of that transformation in the body of the successful alchemist.

In other words, Gardiner and Osborn had failed to see that the Elixir of Life is produced in the lightbody of the victorious alchemist (the Shining One), i.e. man deified. That it is a purely microcosmic elixir therefore, and not a macrocosmic one, meaning one mixed in a skull for instance and presented to some patient. In yet other words: the Elixir of Life is not swallowed, it is exclusively produced and consumed in the body of a triumphant alchemist.

Needless to say that Gardiner and Osborn were ignorant then too about the true nature of the Philosopher's Stone. To give an example from their book:

'As von Eschenbach says, this stone is called the Grail. But how can we look upon something that is within ourselves? Clearly, we are not to take this literally.' [italics by me]

Because through the Forbidden Letters we know now that the Stone of Transmutation is indeed a real stone. That it...

'...grows from flesh and blood...'[Jung]

...that it...

'...is produced about where the liver is...'[The Paris 4]

...and that it is...

'...even pointy and about the size of a child's fist.'[The Paris 4]

That it...

'...ignites the Kundalini-fire...'[The Paris 4]

... and that the Phoenix is a metaphor for the alchemist in that fire. [see footnote 2]

If you read all four articles with a 'recommended' you will have understood the alcehmical theory of the Paris 4 as brought in part 1 and 2 of the Letters.

P.S.

'Gary Osborn tells us on his website that the British Secret Service conducted an investigation into the identity of the Paris 4.'[Johnson article]

LOL!

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Yesterday a new article has been added.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/PhilipGardiner/forbidden_letters_21.htm

Best,
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[andonitxo]

As long as I'm gay I should be happy to be so equilibrated 

About this thing I read a really interesting article that gave me some fresh water after so much criticism on homosexuality and religion. It was by Ed Steinbrecher in his book "Inner guide meditation".

The main point in the article is that a man/woman, when having a coitus, the energy of the male enters the female and vice versa, SETTLING DOWN the energy pattern of both subjects. In astrological terms it stands for: your astral chart takes strength. That means you're more determined by your karma baggage.

With a gay subject that settling down never happens, because a man-man, woman-woman sexual intercourse doesn't involve a "closed" circuit, or, at least, the energy flows in a different way.

That's why, and always in Ed's words, shamans have been always gay, because they're able to manage energy more easily. In the same way, all priests and religious people that have had sex are not able to drive the energy of the community in a, for example, mass, because their circuits can't hold so much energy.

[DH]

With a gay subject that settling down never happens, because a man-man, woman-woman sexual intercourse doesn't involve a "closed" circuit, or, at least, the energy flows in a different way.
That's why, and always in Ed's words, shamans have been always gay, because they're able to manage energy more easily. In the same way, all priests and religious people that have had sex are not able to drive the energy of the community in a, for example, mass, because their circuits can't hold so much energy.

It's an interesting article, but I have known a number of shamans over the years who weren't gay.  They were just as effective as those who were.

[Nay]

SOOOOO.. basically what we're saying is...it's ok to be straight....

[andonitxo]

SOOOOO.. basically what we're saying is...it's ok to be straight....

Do I have to take that comment as homophobic?

It will be right to be straight, as much as to be gay or bi.

[Nay]

Me homophobic?  Tell that to some of my kinfolk and friends.

And btw, it was a joke.

[DH]

Andonitxo,

I don't think anyone here is knocking being gay or bi or straight.  I'm certainly not.  I have a gay son and two straight daughters.

It's easy to get tunnel vision when we are defending a cause, especially when we are being persecuted for who we are or what we believe.  I've discovered that from personal experience.  I would just say don't be trapped in the tunnel:  be open minded.  The Universe is much bigger than what our little minds can conceive. 

There are many gay shamans, but I've also met some straight ones, too.  Be happy with who you are, let others do the same, and don't give any energy to those who would knock you down.

[andonitxo]

Me homophobic?  Tell that to some of my kinfolk and friends.

And btw, it was a joke.

I thought so. Anyway try to avoid those "my best friend is gay" kind of sentences. In Europe the most homophobic ones always use such expressions (bonking politics).

[andonitxo]

Andonitxo,

I don't think anyone here is knocking being gay or bi or straight.  I'm certainly not.  I have a gay son and two straight daughters.

It's easy to get tunnel vision when we are defending a cause, especially when we are being persecuted for who we are or what we believe.  I've discovered that from personal experience.  I would just say don't be trapped in the tunnel:  be open minded.  The Universe is much bigger than what our little minds can conceive. 

There are many gay shamans, but I've also met some straight ones, too.  Be happy with who you are, let others do the same, and don't give any energy to those who would knock you down.

Thanks for your words, DH. But, fortunately, I'm not tunneled 

About that thing on shamans, I'm eager to develop some kind of astral vision in order to check all those things we read in this forum, hehe.

[Nay]

I thought so. Anyway try to avoid those "my best friend is gay" kind of sentences. In Europe the most homophobic ones always use such expressions (bonking politics).

Please do not tell me what to avoid saying, I'm a tad too old for that.  You don't know me from Adam...or Eve. Gay people need to get over the whole gay comments.  Love yourself and don't bother with what others says.  I think DH is right, you are tunneled and are ready to fight for the cause at the smallest comments.

[andonitxo]

Please do not tell me what to avoid saying, I'm a tad too old for that.  You don't know me from Adam...or Eve. Gay people need to get over the whole gay comments.  Love yourself and don't bother with what others says.  I think DH is right, you are tunneled and are ready to fight for the cause at the smallest comments.

Take it easy, I'm not ordering you anything.

And yes, DH is right. Gays have been persecuted for centuries, and nowadays it goes on happening the same thing in many places. The fact is that you did an inappropriate comment, so just admit it and stop that rubbish about tunnels.

It's really comfortable to be straight, and to not have any worries about it. Tunneled? Where are you watching from? From your own tunnel?

[Nay]

Oh..god..   

What is it with people these days that want to scream persecution at every little thing.  You are gay, SO WHAT!!?  Stop trying to make your own life miserable by creating something that isn't there. I made a little joke and you go all Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on me.  In my little personal bubble, this is not a big deal.

What's that chick's name that yelled racism because some other.....some white chick said, "that's calling the kettle black"? 

[andonitxo]

Oh..god..   

What is it with people these days that want to scream persecution at every little thing.  You are gay, SO WHAT!!?  Stop trying to make your own life miserable by creating something that isn't there. I made a little joke and you go all Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on me.  In my little personal bubble, this is not a big deal.

What's that chick's name that yelled racism because some other.....some white chick said, "that's calling the kettle black"? 

What? Nothing! That's what we all gays want. Just to be legally and socially equal to straights, all around the planet.

I'm not an activist or something like that, but I think it's important to pinpoint certain things. In Spain, for example, a woman dies everyday due to her husband abuse at home. For decades none has said anything about that, and it was seen "normal", socially speaking. Thanks God, goverment has developed a strict policy to avoid it.

With that I want to say that there's a lot of misery in the world, and it's better to take care of even the smallest thing we say or act.

And the same way you don't want anybody to tell you what to do, I don't want you to say I'm miserable, because you don't know me at all.

[Nay]

Well, that is all good and fine with me!  I say have legal marriages so everyone has to go through the hassle equally.  And now after reading your last post, I can see you aren't necessarily angry with me, just the whole thing in general.  Because last time I checked, this wasn't Spain.

I have no problem with you venting.  Vent away. 

[andonitxo]

I'm not angry with you, of course, it was the word the one which inflamed me.

I use to objurgate both who I like and those I don't like in the same way.

The solution to this planet's problems lies in the importance of the detail 

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this is interesting, thanks...I haven't read the links yet but I
have heard other teachers say the perfect human is bisexual,
so maybe that is what they mean by "certain" homosexual

Dear Lola,

In their Newsletter (see articles-list) the Paris 4 say they are not sure about their 'gay-theory' either.

Best,
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(Sorry, made a mistake)

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As long as I'm gay I should be happy to be so equilibrated 

About this thing I read a really interesting article that gave me some fresh water after so much criticism on homosexuality and religion. It was by Ed Steinbrecher in his book "Inner guide meditation".

The main point in the article is that a man/woman, when having a coitus, the energy of the male enters the female and vice versa, SETTLING DOWN the energy pattern of both subjects. In astrological terms it stands for: your astral chart takes strength. That means you're more determined by your karma baggage.

With a gay subject that settling down never happens, because a man-man, woman-woman sexual intercourse doesn't involve a "closed" circuit, or, at least, the energy flows in a different way.

That's why, and always in Ed's words, shamans have been always gay, because they're able to manage energy more easily. In the same way, all priests and religious people that have had sex are not able to drive the energy of the community in a, for example, mass, because their circuits can't hold so much energy.

Dear Andonixto,

This is from the Moshiu-article (VI)

"If the Letters are correct, then the outer, macrocosmic marriage (our 'heterosexual' marriage in the flesh) is only there to produce the Trees of Life (spine and brain) of certain homosexuals at the End of Time who are capable of performing the inner, microcosmic marriage due to their unique balance of the microcosmic male and female. The outer marriage is in the New Testament allegory then for that inner marriage."

Magnus Strom



Macrocosmic sex produces humans and Trees of Life (spines and brain). Microcosmic sex (the inner male and female) 'Sons of God'. There is no connection between macrocosmic and microcosmic sex, no matter what the West and modern Tantra suggest.

Alchemy is about microcosmic sex, meaning within one body.

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SOOOOO.. basically what we're saying is...it's ok to be straight....

Nothing wrong with heterosexuality. But it might be possible that only certain homosexuals possess the perfect balance of the microcosmic male/female to 'fetch the gold of alchemy(immortality)' to dish it out later.

Another important detail on alchemy that wasn't mentioned by the Paris 4 in the Letters is the alchemical saying 'You need Gold, to make Gold'. Important, because we wouldn't be surprised if it is fetched by some, for the benefit of many...

[CE2 article]

Savior-theme. The theory would be then, that whatever is build up right now in the microcosm of that gay man of the letters could be dished out to the macrocosm. We don't know whether this is true though.

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Me homophobic?  Tell that to some of my kinfolk and friends.

And btw, it was a joke.

There is no homophobia in your post. On the contrary. I don't understand that post by andonitxo either.

P.S. to the moderator:

I'm still able to modify other peoples posts.

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What? Nothing! That's what we all gays want. Just to be legally and socially equal to straights, all around the planet.

I'm not an activist or something like that, but I think it's important to pinpoint certain things. In Spain, for example, a woman dies everyday due to her husband abuse at home. For decades none has said anything about that, and it was seen "normal", socially speaking. Thanks God, goverment has developed a strict policy to avoid it.

With that I want to say that there's a lot of misery in the world, and it's better to take care of even the smallest thing we say or act.

And the same way you don't want anybody to tell you what to do, I don't want you to say I'm miserable, because you don't know me at all.

Andonitxo, this thread is about alchemy, not about social injustice.

Thank you.

[highdenham]

As long as I'm gay I should be happy to be so equilibrated 

About this thing I read a really interesting article that gave me some fresh water after so much criticism on homosexuality and religion. It was by Ed Steinbrecher in his book "Inner guide meditation".

The main point in the article is that a man/woman, when having a coitus, the energy of the male enters the female and vice versa, SETTLING DOWN the energy pattern of both subjects. In astrological terms it stands for: your astral chart takes strength. That means you're more determined by your karma baggage.

With a gay subject that settling down never happens, because a man-man, woman-woman sexual intercourse doesn't involve a "closed" circuit, or, at least, the energy flows in a different way.

That's why, and always in Ed's words, shamans have been always gay, because they're able to manage energy more easily. In the same way, all priests and religious people that have had sex are not able to drive the energy of the community in a, for example, mass, because their circuits can't hold so much energy.

With all due respect, this is not alchemical. There is no exchange of subtle energy between two persons possible. The unification of the male and female is an inner unification within one person, and the circuit it creates is an inner circuit.