Marajuna and the Astral /Lucid Dreaming.

[Darren]

The other night i smoked quite a bit of marajuana, needless to say it effects your consiousness.
I've found answers to things due to being under the influence of it. Alters your perception in a good way if you use it right.

Anyway, the other night after i'd smoked it, i woke in the middle of the night quite unaware, started to get up etc without really knowing why.

I got startlled as i saw this thing floating through my room, as i think about it, it's hard to describe. If i try it ould be like this : It looked like a string of paper cubes decresing in size, in a snae shape, but quite large at the front, It seemed to have some type of animal nature to it.

It just flew through the air slowly and though the wall i think. I was quite shocked by it, i blinked and it was still as real as ever. I brushed it off as my seeing things and went to sleep. I wasn't aware enough to deal with it  then. In the morning i realised it was pretty real!

Quite trippy ay.

[David Warner]

Darren,

You will find that marijuana (drugs) can assist and guide you to the obe. However, you won't be able to nail higher levels of consciousness and sustain longer experiences with drugs.

A few years ago, I decided to give up drinking and put myself to the test. To date, I've touched a drop in 2.5yrs, but my experiences have rocketed with validations, angelic encounters, higher level contacts... all w/o using medicine or drugs.

Tvos

[Darren]

Thanks for the reply was wondering if anyone was intrested haha.

Well, it all makes sense, the whole no intoxicants equaling more enrching experinces. It seems Marijuana is a quick way to get some higher vibrations yet in the long run doesn't get you far.

The whole angelic experinces increasing without alchohol etc makes me think, thats a great sign, hope you can keep it up.

Goodluck with your further accomplishments, again thanks for the advise.

[David Warner]

Darren,

Np... Don't get me wrong, you won't goto h&*l for taking a toke here and there.. But in the long run, you'll find better control, sustain and indure higher level of consciousness during the experience.

I am not sure if you've been to my site or not, you're more welcome to check it out and review the obe's of angelical encounters.

Tvos

www.invisiblelight.us

[DH]

Darren,

I used pot and acid (and other hallucinogens) frequently for several years.  I had some interesting experiences, but they were nothing compared to what I learned to do naturally through OBE and other psychic phenomena.  Frankly, I'm glad to be reasonably OK after it all.  Some of my good buds didn't make it out of the 1970's, and it took me a year to clear my head and receive back my short-term memory after I stopped using.

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Please don't feel any judgment here.  Just my two cents worth.  Save your brain cells and mind power for more positive things.

DH

[Paola]

I find that one smoke or even one drink, sabotages my out of body chances.
Bummer!

[Old Dood]

Well...what happens if you take pain meds from your Doctor?  Will that impede your experience as well?

[David Warner]

Old Dood,

I don't take any medication at present, but I know if I have to take a tylynol pm or benadry, my chances at obe are next to nothing. I think it depends on how the medicine works and causes drousyness which will be a barrier until your able to work with it to obe.

A radio interview that I was on a few months ago, someone asked me that question. I think first and furthermost, seek medical treatment first and your health to get better. You still can project and I don't think nothing bad of it will come. It might just tirey one out more physically and energy will be lacking.

Tvos

[Old Dood]

Old Dood,

I don't take any medication at present, but I know if I have to take a tylynol pm or benadry, my chances at obe are next to nothing. I think it depends on how the medicine works and causes drousyness which will be a barrier until your able to work with it to obe.

A radio interview that I was on a few months ago, someone asked me that question. I think first and furthermost, seek medical treatment first and your health to get better. You still can project and I don't think nothing bad of it will come. It might just tirey one out more physically and energy will be lacking.

Tvos

Thanks for the reply  voice of silence...
Well I know I have had projections and Lucid Dreams in the last few months.  More so then I can *remember* from anytime before.  I have been on some heavy duty pain meds for quite sometime as well.

Maybe I am use to them.  They do make me feel "normal" so I can function.  I rarely get a buzz off them anymore.

hmmm...I do remember we my wife and I both were taking those Nicotine Patches a few years ago.  We used them for a while during sleep and WOW we had the most vivid dreams.  Weird...I believe those patches simply opened up our "Carburetors" during sleep.

[David Warner]

Old Dood,

Are the meds you are taking make you drowsey, spaced out, or present hullicinations?

Someone was telling me that awhile back about nicotine patches and how they can produce vivid dreams. This would be the opportune time to explore the obe, document, track, and detail the experience.

Tvos

[Old Dood]

Old Dood,

Are the meds you are taking make you drowsey, spaced out, or present hullicinations?

Someone was telling me that awhile back about nicotine patches and how they can produce vivid dreams. This would be the opportune time to explore the obe, document, track, and detail the experience.

Tvos

The most I get is simply tired.  No, they make me "normal".  Less pain so I can function.  I hardly "feel" them anymore.  that is what pain killers are for really...that is to "meet the Pain".  the doses I take would probably knock down a person that is not use to them. Ask anyone that takes pain meds for chronic pain and they will tell you they do not feel them much anymore.

[Werp Weg Alles]

Very True Old Dood,

Me and a couple of my friends used to think we were pretty cool for taking tramadol, vicoden, oxycotin, codein(i slaughtered the spellings, i know) quite often with each other and almost always after smoking a few joints.  The first time it was an okay experience and I had a phasing type experience, after that however, we needed more and more to feel the same, and eventually they got onto morphine and I decided that was too intense.  Later I realize, all of what I was doing was "too intense".  Anyway, there was some rambling, the main point was the first time i phased, after that I was more like a zombie 

Werp

[astralfan]

it is true that you can have a ap after using drugs but most of the time in my experience it is too hard for me to concentrate enough to do it OR even care because i am so buzzed. I wouldnt recommend it.

[David Warner]

Astralfan,

It is true that you can have a out of body experience while intoxicated, wasted, high etc.. but your focus, concentration, awareness, and consciousness will suffer greatly. You will have visions, interesting experience but in the long run it will slow you down mentally and physically.

It's not worth it... the reward is the awakening..

Tvos

[SilvicSir2]

My experience using cannabis suppresses vivid dreaming, obe, lucid and I cannot even remember my dreams.  When I stop using cannabis, the vivid dreams come back.  I am a very deep sleeper and for me that might be a reason, but others as well experience the same.

[jaffa1]

I don't smoke it any more, but I had some experiences when I did, not OOBES but vivid dreams. I once had a dream that I was constructing an Indian mosaic using microscopic particles, adding them in very, very slowly...it was pretty amazing.

[rygoody]

Darren,

I used pot and acid (and other hallucinogens) frequently for several years.  I had some interesting experiences, but they were nothing compared to what I learned to do naturally through OBE and other psychic phenomena.  Frankly, I'm glad to be reasonably OK after it all.  Some of my good buds didn't make it out of the 1970's, and it took me a year to clear my head and receive back my short-term memory after I stopped using.

This is something that... I have to probe. But understand as I do this it's for my own understanding as well.

I hear alot of people say something similar to this. They rave that they have attained some sort of sober state of great mysticism and insight, that it is better than the old way of hallucinogens.

But theres something I always find in common with such types, and I am extending this supposition onto you, correct me if I'm wrong, or rather I would encourage, present to me so euphemism for me being wrong. But it seems such types never provide anything incredibly useful or insightful.

That what you now consider 'doing it sober, making it, being there', appears to be as nothing but being 'stopped' in the flow of forward. When was the last time you had a revelation, when was the last time you felt inspired to write a new philosophy, draw some new visionary art, advance something in science or technology? When was the last time you -did- one of those things, not just felt the inspiration? When was the last time you directly tried to inspire someone else to do the same? When was the last time said person managed to follow through?

I feel, which again I am getting offensive here I know, but I do this for my own understanding as well. I feel that you have attained a state of what I might call 'Astral-esque religion'. Your in the state of "I did it", "I know", "Im there". Just how Christians sit there in contentedness of 'Jesus Christ is in my heart Im good' or of the Buddha 'I can sit here and not care about anything else as long as Im pure love'. These are inherent stopping points to flow of life. The end goal of life is not to reach a state where you can sit there amazed of your perfection, but where you constantly have the inspiration and the energy to further perfect, spread perfection. The simple fact of the matter is, the world is not perfect, and it's only going to go in that direction the more people people to will the energy to unify. The feeling of 'stopped' the feeling of 'being there' the feeling of 'Ive got it' is nothing but wishful hope. It is not possible to 'be there', that is called death. There should always be something 'more' to get to, there should always be something to push. It is not possible to explore the entire box because, all you need to do is break the box to find yet a bigger box. It seems what you have deemed your current state is nothing but, I would admit, a very LARGE box that you got through by alot of work and sweat. But it is not THE box, THE box is the state of there being no box.

Which is why I ask, if your there, if you've \done it\. What is there and what did you do? If you got perfection, why is the world not perfect? Can you explain it to the rest of the world?

With all that said, I would say if you feel any drug is getting you close to the end, if any drug helping you get to whatever you can deem 'it'. If any drug is given you the will and energy to further define 'it', explain 'it' translate 'it and present 'it' to the world. Then you should keep doing the drug. Seeing 'it' for yourself and then retracting back into 'I got it everyone else will get to my point because I'm ahead' is nothing more than a hopeful wish that, quite honestly, i am not going to believe until I see it happen and all my intuitions tell me, it is not going to happen.

No religion, no single viewpoint, no language no anything has managed to attained unity of all by just mere sitting in the corner by themselves with 'we got it', they'll come to us. The thing that will eventually cause such a flow of events of all to come to them is through the synchonicities that include humans. Not by some magical intangible energy guiding everyone through. Our percpetion of that energy is to guide us to synchronicity to bring others into synchronicity, the actions, the products of human are a necessary component of the manifestation of such energy or will, it doesn't exist unless we too are in the flow of it aiding it. I would say if you have lost that feeling of energy, if you have lost that will to try to explain it to people, lost the will to further progress yourself creativity, push the edge, try to further explore yourself, push further into the bounds of pure insanity. Then perhaps you should go back to LSD.

Insanity is nothing but a metaphor to the FABRICATED limitations of the human mind imposed by those that wish to hold onto their failing ego.

Of course though, maybe you are doing that all sober? But like I said, I only probe for my own understanding of such possibility as well. Because I can only think of a man like Terence McKenna or Timothy Leary, who, till the day they died continued to use psychedelics and they also constantly continued to push the bounds, just as they did the first day they took one. Is there any value to turning off and tuning out? Because I still have yet to see a 'new guy' come even close to touching Terence McKenna. I quite enjoy Frank's writings. But they are not even close to McKenna.

In McKennas own context, he believes all religion, all spirituality, all methods of meditation, yoga, shamanistic rituals all of it are merely left overs, sort of magickal tools, extremely powerful metaphors to push psychological buttons in the mind, in order to retain control and ability in the psychadellic experience. Thats all. They themselves do not provide 'it'. That they are merely the tools to properly do and gain value from psychadellics. Which yes... you may think thats too a degree absurd. But take Frank for example, as I've said, his model of conciousness and method I think are brilliant, for what they are. But I'm concerned not with my ability to use such things to -numb- myself from full awareness to attain a blissfull life. I have a life of pure bliss with or without that. I am concerned with the ability to use such concepts to retain my sanity in the greatest depths of psychedelic dimension to retrieve knowledge. And when it comes right down to it, compare what Terence McKenna has produced to what Frank has produced. McKenna, quite literally, has developed the most brilliant concepts of future society, purpose of technology, purpose of shamanism, UFO's, the functioning of hyperspace (same as astral plane) to the point of actually constructing maps of it to explore. To the point of designing models for consciousness design in order to aid humanities next step. What has Frank done sober? Oh we have Focus 1, Focus 2, Focus 3, Focus 4. Thats nothing but a renamed version of concepts presented by Yoga Nidra. Which again, I commend Frank for brining to light truth. But I still have yet to see him do anything notably /new/.

Now all that is nothing to discourage you, or try to say Frank or anyone does not have potential. That is the extreme polar opposite of what I want. But I do say it to note that, until you've got 'it' you should not condemn anything in the slightest and possibly even, retest old theories developed years ago? Perhaps you'll feel differently now after growing some?