Question about the vibrations -- and overall experience

[catalinazxz]

Since May I have had two new experiences.  In May I was very ill, and had been for 2 months.  I was in a place where I wanted anything, ANYTHING to happen to me to make me better.  I was away at the ocean with my mother trying to get better, when one night I had this experience.  I "woke" about an hour after falling asleep (but it was a light sleep) to strong, steady vibrations moving like a wave through my body.  My arms and legs were paralyzed and I couldn't "open" my eyes persay, but it was like I could see.  The vibrations came in waves, mostly arresting my torso and my head.  I remember my magazine was next to my pillow and I could actually hear it hitting the nightstand from the strong vibrations my body was giving off.  I was sleeping in the same bed as my mother and I was afraid what was happening would wake her up, I was afraid she'd be scared.   

I must admit, I was scared. I have a very open mind and have always had an interest in things spiritual, past lives, etc.  I had an interesting regression experience once.  However, I didn't know what this was, it felt entirely physical.  Finally, something told me "this isn't supposed to be scary, if you want it to end it can end, breathe in." And so I took a deep breath in and I "got out" of the vibration that had taken hold of me.  The thing that amazed me was that my heart wasnt pounding, the way it normally might when waking from a terrible dream, or just waking spontaneously in general.  My body felt hot and buzzing, almost like if you were in a hot tub with jets on you and you got out. 

The next day everything turned, and I started to feel better.  I told my mother the next morning, I couldnt tell her in the night, I had to think about it and digest what had happened.  A few weeks or so later I googled something like 'vibrations night paralysis' and was stunned to find tons of stuff about astral projection, and saying that these vibrations, or vibrations like it, are the initial stage of OBE.  I tried a few times to will it to happen, but I could feel that in reality I was too scared, that I didn't really want it to happen. 

Last night was a very different night from the first time it happened.  I haven't been sick, in fact I was extra tired from a party the night before.  But I was tired in that way where my body was but my mind wasn't, so it was difficult to fall asleep.  I "woke" again about an hour after falling asleep to the strong strong vibrations.  I want to emphasize how strong and arresting they are.  My whole body is like its being vibrated from the core, very steady, not tingling.  It comes in waves but in between I still cannot move.  Last night I let about 4 waves go through, and unfortunately, I was scared again.  (I am not scared during the day of it, but at night get scared when it happens, I wish I didn't).  SO I tried to get out of it, I tried to move and talk and was met with incredible resistance, I felt like I moved my arm but it was like it was being pushed so hard back to the bed.  Finally I would just relax and wait through the vibrations, in my mind trying to think of what to do.  So I decided to try and go out of myself.   I felt like I wanted to, but couldn't seem to. 

Then, I saw a figure next to my bed.  In this state I was confused - I seemed to think I was having and OBE but I knew it made no sense because I would not see a clone of me from the bed, but rather should see myself lying in the bed from above, the side, whatever.  So I guess I thought this figure was ME, and I motioned or spoke, or tried to tell her to come in, to get back into my body. (Remember I think its me and I want myself to get back into my body so it will stop).  The figure came closer and closer and closer till she was all the way right in my face, obviously she did not understand.  At this point I realized she was not ME, and then she laughed, turned, walked to the end of the bed.  Suddenly I was able to take a deep breath in and I "came out of it."  I lay there for a second, freaked out, and at the same point wishing I wasn't freaked out and kind of wanting to go back into it.  very conflicting.

Basically, what is going on here?  I've been online all day reading up, and people seem to just mention the vibration state, but to me it seems so big and arresting, and like its something all its own.  Are there any benefits to the vibration state- physically?  (I am constantly hoping something will heal me!)  Also, what can I do to get out of it and have an OBE?  Any thoughts on the girl?

thanks ever so much

Caitlin

[zareste]

I'm taking a wild guess here, but I wonder if your mom looked like that girl when she was young.  Maybe you could tell from an old picture or something

Other than that I can't help much.  Lack of experience

[catalinazxz]

well no, this girl didnt look like my mom, and i know what she looked like when she was young.  why do you ask?  it looked like me with the same hair, build, etc., but different face slightly

[soulbringer]

This is a very interesting occurrence.  I have had a number of out-of-body experiences and would say that you are, for an unknown reason, easily finding yourself in the "hypnagogic-state" (mind awake - body asleep)  If the vibrations are present upon entering the hypnagogic state, you can easily will yourself out by trying to lift up and out of your body.  If the vibrations are not present, then you need to get them from the Vehram Energy System.  You can do this by willing the energy into your body from the various locations outside your body.  You can learn more about this system at http://vehram.com

As far as the girl goes, have you considered the possibility that this is a person who may have previously lived and died in the house you live in?  It may simply be a spirit with similar personality attracted to you.  (Like attract like in the spirit realm) 

Hope this helps!

[Selski]

If the vibrations are not present, then you need to get them from the Vehram Energy System.  You can do this by willing the energy into your body from the various locations outside your body.  You can learn more about this system at http://vehram.com

I would just like to point out that you don't need vibrations.  I don't have them, and I know there are others who don't experience them either.  They are not necessary.

Hi catalina

The girl is most probably a hypnagogic hallucination - they are extremely common, especially during sleep paralysis.  Although I don't get sleep paralysis, I have come across many "beings" in the astral/etheric plane.  The best advice I can give is: if you are not afraid of them, then just ignore them; or if you feel a bit afraid send them a bubble of love and know that you cannot be harmed.

Sarah

[soulbringer]

Sarah,

the reason you do not get the vibrations is because you are not entering the astral realm from the hypnagogic state, (you don't get sleep paralysis) and therefore your consciousness is already separated from your body.  You are, as far as your awareness goes, skipping this first stage of voluntary separation.  I assume you project from a lucid dream?

If you read the literature, it is a well known fact that the vibrations are present, and a prerequisite,  in successful separation attempts from the hypnagogic-state.  Separation without them occurs only in instances of trauma, NDE, or projection from the dream state (in which case you are already out of your body)

I find it interesting that you automatically assume that one's experience in the hypnagogic-state is hallucinatory.  There is no proof that this is the case.  It is much more likely that we are simply able to more easily perceive alternate levels of reality.

Also, I recommend Monroe's books. He describes an experience in which he was visited by an entity early in his oobe activity.  Years later, he found out that it was he, himself, who had visited, as he was able to experience the visit from the other self's perspective.

[Selski]

Hi soulbringer

Firstly, I do project from lucid dreams these days more often than not.  However, in the beginning I would have the 'classic' OBEs.

I do understand what you are saying, however I would beg to differ about becoming conscious only once I have separated.  Here is a copy of something I replied to on the same day that I replied to this thread:-

When you feel you are close, rather than try to roll out, relax twice as much as you already are.  Kind of sink into yourself and curl up (mentally speaking).  What should happen is that your 'second' body will become loose of its own accord and you will start to feel like you are floating in water, and that you are rather "liquidy".  Again, don't try and move as your second body will naturally start to separate.  You may feel that you are swaying - if so, you can mentally push the swaying motion to go higher and higher (one of my favourite hobbies!!), or you will be almost certain that your arm is half way up in the air (even though you know your physical arm is resting on the bed).

Even at this stage, it is possible that some part of your body isn't quite ready, so don't move.  Let yourself come free naturally. 

Do this many many times to get really familiar with the sensations, so that you know your own body/second body extremely well before you try and get out on your own, as it were.

Based on the above scenario (a typical one for me), where do the vibrations fit in?  I'm not being facetious here, but more curious about your assessment of where the vibrations would occur, given the fact that I am fully awake to start with and go through the whole relaxation process, experience the hypnagogic stage (without sleep paralysis or vibes) and then start to very slowly separate. 

Secondly, I used the term "hallucinations" because that is the 'general' terminology for hypnagogic stuff.  I regularly experience sounds - the usual voices, radio, whistle, bells, airplanes etc etc etc., which I would also term 'hallucinations' - however using that word doesn't mean that I am dismissing the sensations as 'non-real' or pointless or nonsense.  I actually am more in line with your thinking - that we are experiencing alternative realities - my point was that we don't actually really know whether those "alternate realities" are created by our minds, or are external from us.  In the same way, we don't actually know whether 'hallucinations' are creations of our minds or something else.  I also feel the same way about 'dreams' and 'imagination'.  Generally speaking, these words are thrown out there to nullify our (possible) genuine experiences.  So many people on these boards ask "was it a real OBE or just a dream" which I find quite sad.

I have a suspicion that all these things are a creation of the mind.  And rather than that statement be a throwaway "oh well, it doesn't mean anything"; it actually means everything, in that all that we experience, including our lives, planet earth, everything, is a creation of our minds.  I may be wrong, but I like that belief for now, so I'm sticking with it.

Sarah

PS  I've read all Monroe's books - I have a myspace page and Monroe is listed as my one and only "hero"!! 

[soulbringer]

Dear Selski

Thanks for a thoughtful reply.  According to the latest scientific research into the nature of consciousness, the computational processes in the brain are occurring on a quantum level within dendrites in the brain.  See Dr. Stuart Hameroff's www.quantumconsciounsess.com The implication is that consciousness is not in the brain, but rather perceiving through the brain from a non-localized position. 

Hopkins, author of the book mentioned earlier in the post, theorizes that consciousness "configures and integrates" with other "complex energy bodies" such as the ethereal, or astral body, in order to perceive from a vantage point beyond the brain, in much the same way consciounsess is integrated with the physical energy system (body).

The discovery of the Vehram System shows that there is a specific source of the vibrational surge.  This energy is real, tangible, and independently identifiable as being generated from specific energy centers located systemically outside the body.

So, in regards to your statement:

"Based on the above scenario (a typical one for me), where do the vibrations fit in?  I'm not being facetious here, but more curious about your assessment of where the vibrations would occur, given the fact that I am fully awake to start with and go through the whole relaxation process, experience the hypnagogic stage (without sleep paralysis or vibes) and then start to very slowly separate."

Formation of the astral energy body is achieved by consciousness' ultilization of the vibrational energy generated by the Vehram System.  Because this system is in close proximity to the physical body, one might assume that a continuous, albeit weak, charging of the astral vehicle is always occuring.  While the vibrations would not be perceivable, separation could still be achieved as a result, but would only occur in a very slow and difficult process, as appears to be the case.  Particularly in many circumstances whereby the experiencer is able to achieve only partial separation, or none at all, without the vibrations being present, it would be logical to assume that the astral body itself is not formed sufficiently to support separation.

It may also be simply that you are one of those "loosely bound" spirits.  I am curious if you have ever had a NDE or another experience in life that generated a spontaneous oobe? Experiencers of the NDE often report the ability to easily dissociate, in the aftermath of the event.

These basic fundamentals demonstrate that the oobe is not purely a subjective experience.  There are specific identifiable principles involved in achieving these states of separation and while one may employ the fundamentals in other ways, thereby circumventing one's perception of the vibrational surge, as in lucid dreaming projection, NDE's, etc., consciousness must still be utilizing these fundamentals in some manner in order to achieve separation.  Perhaps, in such cases our higher-self controls this energy system, utilizing it when needed.  I could also envision a scenario in which consciousness' shifting into other dimensions would preclude utilization of the specific type of energy generated by the Vehram System.  However, this would only occur in instances whereby one does not use the hypnagogic-state to achieve the oobe.  The hypnagogic-state marks a specific state of consciousness, both in focus and in spacial/dimensional location.  From this specific state one can only achieve separation through the astral body, and therefore, direct or indirect utilization of the vibrational energy.

I recommend trying to separate with and without the vibrations.  I believe you will find much less resistance when the vibrations are fully present.

I hope this answers the question about where the vibrations would fit in regarding the slow separation process.  While a few - individuals like yourself who have developed a high level of proficiency in achieving and maintaining alternate states - may be able to achieve a state of separation without the vibrations, most find it too difficult, or completely impossible.  That is not to say that it really is impossible.  But there are fundamentals as mentioned above that are governing this process.  If one fails to incorporate the fundamentals, difficulty in success can always be expected.

Just one question, however.  You say you do not experience sleep paralysis?  How do you mark entry into the hypnagogic-state?  This state, scientifically, is classified as a condition in which the brain and body are in a disconnect, preventing the individual from acting out their dreams.  That is what accounts for the paralysis.  Are you saying that you are not paralysed? Or do you mean that you do not feel paralysed for the simple fact that you are manipulating the ethereal body and therefore are not attempting to move the physical body in the first place?

Thanks Again - Highly intellectually stimulating!
-Soulbringer

[Selski]

Hi soulbringer

The quantum link you gave was spelled incorrectly, however typing it in correctly took me to a dating site, also selling fishing rods...  which is probably the craziest mix I've ever come across!!! 

I'm also dubious about the Vehram site.  This is purely based on my own (dis)beliefs about OBEs.  The fact that one can have an OBE and assume there is life after death doesn't fit with my experiences.  I have had one experience (a lucid dream) which makes me wonder, but apart from that, my experiences don't necessarily equate to an afterlife. 

Then again, I am quite new to all this (4 years or so) and who knows what may happen ahead... 

I wouldn't class myself as a 'loose spirit', although I do understand why you might think this.  I've never had an NDE, nor an 'unprecedented' OBE.  Only after I'd read about them, did I realise I'd been close before (I used to be fond of afternoon naps and occasionally felt my recliner chair slowly circling the room - in hindsight it was most likely my double going for a spin!). 

Only once have I requested the vibrations.  This was when I was already "astral" but still housed in my physical body.  I spent numerous occasions simply exploring this state - it is a lovely area of consciousness.  You know you are ready to go, but stay there enjoying the 'weirdness' of it all. 

I asked for vibrations - and got them! They started at the top of my head and by the time they reached my neck, I thought my head was going to explode (in a nice way - I wasn't scared).  Unfortunately, by the time they reached my neck, I lost the experience and 'came round'.

With regards to sleep paralysis, I've never knowingly experienced that sense of "oh my god, I can't move and all these frightening things are happening to me" type of thing.  I've had many times where I've been so relaxed that even if I could move, I have no inclination of doing so.  I've experienced a handful of fear-filled images/sounds that have caused me to jerk my physical to break the spell, so to speak.  However, I've never been 'stuck' in paralysis. 

I class my entry into the hypnagogic state as beginning to hear/see non-physical things.  I'm more of a 'hearer' - I can listen to a non-p radio or voices all day long these days, although it took many months/years of practice to get to that state without falling asleep.  Even now, it's hit and miss, I will often fall asleep before entering the state.

Finally, I'm about as intellectual as a pregnant elephant - but thanks anyway!!!  I'm more of your "simple" type of person (not meaning stupid, just down-to-earth) 

Sarah