astral projection in the eye of the public

[scarred]

 :?is astral projection and all forms of obe and etc. considered to be practicing in witch craft atleast as far as the bible would interpret it

[Magickist]

Maybe to some people that don't understand it very well, but it's actually the complete opposite. It's mentioned as a very good thing in many sacred texts including the Bible.

[David Warner]

Scarred,

Read the bible, the holy qur'an, and any other biblical docturen and you will see legitimate communication between god, angels, and the individual who experienced the trance state, false awakening, or obe.

Its all based on "intent" and how you learn, educate yourself and use this information. The deeper you search you will arrive to your own truth. Do the work and don't base everything on judgement.

Tvos

[Awakened_Mind]

Can anyone point me in the direction to whatever keeps these questions coming about whether OBE's are an act in witchcraft?

Scarred,

This was discussed recently in another thread.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_world_religions/is_astral_projection_witchcraft-t26753.0.html

-AM

[David Warner]

Scarred,

I've been avid practioner of astral projection for the last twenty years. I am and have a closer relationship to God/Christ, attend church, hospice volunteer "being there for patients", take part in community fund raisers, attend church, work for a christian organization and help people through my web site:

www.invisiblelight.us

So does any of this sound like to you that the "devil" or "evil witchcraft" doing? Remember the movie "wizard of oz" and how there were two witches. One witch was all loving, helpful, sincere and the other witch was evil, selfish, and jealous. Its the same with anything you approach "intent". How you use this information for love, helping community, building a closer relationship with God, family, friends, spouses, and enhancining your life positively.

The biggest mistake that people make is "lack of education, questioning and making assumptions. Thinking what is "right" for them has to follow the same guidelines for the next person.

There are a million and 1 ways to find God, being a spiritual person - just because one leaves his or her body doesn't qualify as witch-craft.

Thank You,

Tvos

[scarred]

i realize everything can be good and bad. i just have a deep paranoia that all this quest will lead to is an open third eye, which i from previous experiences with people of that nature werent good and associate it with the mark on the fore head of the beast. so i probably am tripping out but it is what it is

[Awakened_Mind]

There's no beast. It's something used to scare you into believing. "Come with us and we'll protect you. By the way we need your money."

-AM

[Doringo]

I believe that the devil is just a metaphor for humanity's evil. Today's imagery regarding the devil is probably borne from a greedy Middle Ages priest (when fleecing the sheep/congregation was the norm) who took the idea of the beast a little too literally in order to scare people into joining the Christian church - and then paying tithe, of course

[iNNERvOYAGER]

"i just have a deep paranoia that all this quest will lead to is an open third eye"

Hi,
Can I interpret  "quest" to mean, the practice of meditation or prayer?

I believe that all Saints experience(d) spiritual inspiration during prayer and meditation.

You have a good point about concerns of what the public might think.
Ignorance and evil breed hysteria and panic.
A common plight of humainity through out the ages.

[Magickist]

There's no beast. It's something used to scare you into believing. "Come with us and we'll protect you. By the way we need your money."

-AM

Don't let the devil fool you. There is a creator.

[Awakened_Mind]

I never said there wasn't a creator. I said there was no beast.

-AM

[Magickist]

And what do you mean by beast?

[Novice]

"beast" is another word for the devil.

[Magickist]

Yes, I was asking for AM's opinion on the word. Why would the Bible lie about such a thing? Who do you think runs the lower planes of the astral? Do you think that God himself would create them for torture, or even be the creator of hell? Do you believe in God at all?

[Doringo]

The planes run themselves, surely? Birds of a feather stick together, and all that. Evil people probably gravitate towards each other that way, especially on the astral.

[CFTraveler]

Yes, I was asking for AM's opinion on the word. Why would the Bible lie about such a thing? Who do you think runs the lower planes of the astral? Do you think that God himself would create them for torture, or even be the creator of hell? Do you believe in God at all?

The bible doesn't lie about such a thing as the devil because the devil doesn't talk about such a thing as the devil the way modern christians understand it.  The terms in the bible talk about Lucifer, who was an angel of God and Satan, which was an ancient term that means "Prosecutor" or "Adversary", whose job was to test humans, and he worked for God .  Lucifer was associated with the planet Venus, and Satan was associated with the planet Saturn, and were two separate characters that symbolized different things.
Both mythological characters were rolled up in one and turned into a 'boogeyman' when Jesus became the symbol for God, and needed an adversary, so 'humanity's adversary' became Jesus' adversary, and by proxy God's adversary, although anyone who believes in God as an omnipotent being understands that God has no adversary.
The lower astral realms are created by us according to our beliefs, which is why those of us who have gone there can report different experiences according to our religious beliefs.  So who's in charge? If you believe in God then no one else can be in charge.

[Awakened_Mind]

I see the beast as the devil, Satan, Lucifer etc but I don't believe it to be a physical entity or hell to be a place. Likewise, I don't believe God to be a man or heaven to be a place.

I don't think the bible is 'lying', in fact the word is probably not appropriate because it suggests 'no truth'. I would say there is some truth in the bible but it is written metaphorically, not literally. The story of Lucifer falling from heaven and working for God are like the stories of 'Noah's Ark' or the 'Garden of Eve' and 'God creates the world in 7 days'. The truth is often introduced as a story. I think the problem is that a lot of these stories were/have been/are taken literally, then these misunderstandings are used to form dogmas. So it's not really that anyone is 'lying', everyone thinks they are acting with good intentions. Unfortunately dogma is clung to, leaving little room for adaptation. Science on the other hand does, but offers no reassurance of the existence of a spirit.

This is why I am such a fan of the notion of an evolving consciousness. A public enlightenment. It seems both necessary and inevitable. If this does occur, both ontology's will suffer. The very foundations of religion and science will be shaken and collapse, forced to reshape themselves in the new world or be discarded. They must cooperate at some level.

-AM

[Synergy]

Before my Dad married my Mom and had me... he spent three years in the cemenary learning to become a Catholic Priest....  He passed away 6 yrs ago, but prior to that, he did know about my OBEs.  He would openly try to tell me how it was frowned upon by the church (I dont really follow the Catholic upbringing... I am more new age) He would tell me about possesion etc.  But I caught him talking about things they had learned in the cemenary etc... about meditation and altered states of consciousness.

I believe that the higher ups in the church, fully know about OBEs and do not want the general population to be able to possess this ability.  It comes down to fear and control... which is at the heart of religion.  How can the church maintain any control over the people, if just anyone can have divine experiences without even stepping into a church?  They know about it, and how to do it... and it's not witchcraft, though the Occult speaks more openly about it.  In the church, abilities such as altered states pf consciousness and OBEs etc, are reserved for the leaders, while the people never get to experience it, and blindly follow their leaders.  Although more and more people are realizing this ability on their own in recent times.   Scare tactics like saying that OBEs are just a product of witchcraft and evil, are a way to keep us under control by fear, and keep people from experimenting with it 

[Awakened_Mind]

Well that's similar to our current situation and the 'war on terror.' A new breed of fear for control. 'Protect your children and your families!'. That to me is the same as 'Obey god or go to hell!'. How do you Americans feel about this imminent identification card? RFI chips? How close is that to a police state.

Your right Synergy, I think a lot of new age people are beginning to see the deception of the church.

-AM

[Novice]

I didn't vote for Bush the first time, but wasn't too upset....till 9/11. He pulled the typical republican ploy to win the second time -- throw abortion and gay marriage into the mix -- which hadn't been issues up till election time. Thus ensuring that all staunch christians would turn out to vote. When he won the second time, I thought I would get physically sick.

I remember seeing a cartoon years ago about him. He was standing with a bible in one hand and an oozie in the other. To me, that's the perfect representation for him....

Sorry, got a bit side-tracked. (sore topic for me).

[Embodied Words]

I've decided that until I visit the astral and find out the answers to these questions, I'm not going to form a solid opinion. I plan on finding out myself if there is a God and Devil.

[scarred]

how would you know if your not being run by an evil force you wouldnt you might be part of the antichrist movement and think that its not true. Then again this stuff has been going on forever its not like meditation is a new thing  its not like the egyptian didnt do it and they were here before everyone, excrement they probably used thier jedi power to move lift the pyramid stones like all the other unmovable stones suspended in the air. But the real thing is what will happen at the end of this world thats what everyone is waiting for the mayan calendars almost up  :-oooooooooooooooooooooooh and i like that awakened "we need your money"$$ $$

[scarred]

  both of these were written by awakened mind "This is why I am such a fan of the notion of an evolving consciousness. A public enlightenment. It seems both necessary and inevitable. If this does occur, both ontology's will suffer. The very foundations of religion and science will be shaken and collapse, forced to reshape themselves in the new world or be discarded. They must cooperate at some level."
"Well that's similar to our current situation and the 'war on terror.' A new breed of fear for control. 'Protect your children and your families!'. That to me is the same as 'Obey god or go to hell!'. How do you Americans feel about this imminent identification card? RFI chips? How close is that to a police state."
first of all awakened we were talking about how there is no beast no  antichrist and your out look on this subject in your qouted words is about the exact definition of the armegeddon: "the very foundations will collapse and and have to reshape themselves to the new world order or be discarded", thats one step away from the chip in my right hand and the mark of the beast on my forehead which will be what an evolved concious and i suppose you wouldnt allow any trading or buying without it, but you were talking badly  about  turning into a police state so are you for it or against it sounds like you want it but you want to do it a little different. let me guess unenlightened people will have to get a chip and then that will be for credit like thier already trying to make in effect and you enlightened ones will just identity theft everyone why would you want this do you not realize that would be considered the armegeddon maybe you should look a little more into it before you think about peoples cooperation

[Awakened_Mind]

Scarred, I don't know what you're on about.

I was answering Magickist "Yes, I was asking for AM's opinion on the word. Why would the Bible lie about such a thing? Who do you think runs the lower planes of the astral? Do you think that God himself would create them for torture, or even be the creator of hell? Do you believe in God at all?".

I don't think there is an exact definition for Armageddon. In fact I think it's changing.

I'm against the notion of a totalatariun society. It's inevitable when man distrusts the natural world. Which is really what we are seeing in todays culture. As a global culture we have one decision, go green or die. Governments seem more focussed on creating a global economy at the moment. The Asian, African, European and North American unions, are the first stages of creating a global economy.

I'm not sure you've understood my posts if you think I want to force people into the RFI chip.

-AM