I have three ideas about how to leave my body forever

[zorgblar]

1.Use affirmations to convince my subconscious to let me leave.
2.Let a spirit take over my body while astral projecting and leave.
3.Ask my higher self to take over my body while I leave.
So would any of these ideas work???   

[Novice]

You forgot the most common option to do this: suicide.

What you are asking is how to die, which is what leaving your body permanently would be. Why do you want to do this?

As for your 3 ideas, I don't think any of them will work -- of course, I've never tried it nor do I have any desire to do so. However, I think 1 & 3 are essentially the same thing. My understanding from many theories I've read is that your subconscious is your link to your higher self. And your higher self knows why you are here at this time. Given that, unless you opted to a physical act to end your life, I don't think your higher self will intervene to help you with this. I also have never heard of a spirit taking over a body and essentially 'booting out' the individual born with it. So I don't think that will work either.

Perhaps, instead of looking at ways to leave permanently, you focus on experiencing an OBE and then, while out, ask for a spirit guide. When they come, you can ask them these questions. But I would expect their answers would be to turn the tables on you and ask why you want to do that. My experience with guides is that they know more than they tell, and that you tend to be on the 'need to know' side of the equation. Meaning they may not give you the answers you want, but they may help you identify your need to do so and work through that so that you can live the life you came here to do. I liken them to spiritual psychologosts in some aspects. 

These are just my thoughts, and I don't necessarily subscribe to some of the definitions, however they are common so I used them. However, I would urge you to look deeply at what you want to do and why.   

[lily moonsong]

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[Bird]

I see, this is just some theoretical musing, you want to know if this would work.
Interesting questions.

1. I think it is possible to influence the body with the mind so it shuts down,
    but it would take a lot of training.

2. To invite some spirit to take over your body
    could get you into serious trouble.
    If you end up possessed, it may be very hard to get rid of that entity again that
    you invited, because you gave permission to be possessed.
    Even if it is just something created by your own subconscious mind,
    it might be very hard to get back to normal again.

3. And with asking "the higher self" to take over, don't know if that would work.
    It's probably this very "higher self" which is already in charge anyway,
    which determines if you live or die.
    I've never seen any "higher self " because I believe that there is only one consciousness in this
    universe, so why should there be as many different separate higher selves as there are people,
    if everything personal is ultimately just an illusion? ( might collide with other belief-systems here)
    But I doubt that I could tell "it" what to do.
    Would be more likely the other way round, otherwise it wouldn't be "higher", would it?

[Awakened_Mind]

The essence which will leave your body is exactly the same as what is making the decision to do so in the first place. You can't ask or convince anything to do something that you want because it's just reflecting back on you. There is no other entity to do your bidding.

Why do you want to know how to leave your body forever? Do you see this as a kind of peaceful, controlled death or are you unhappy with something?

-AM

[zorgblar]

Im not really unhappy about anything I just im kinda bored with life.

[zorgblar]

I was going to try to have a walk-in happen to me but know im reconsidering it.

[zorgblar]

You forgot the most common option to do this: suicide.

What you are asking is how to die, which is what leaving your body permanently would be. Why do you want to do this?

As for your 3 ideas, I don't think any of them will work -- of course, I've never tried it nor do I have any desire to do so. However, I think 1 & 3 are essentially the same thing. My understanding from many theories I've read is that your subconscious is your link to your higher self. And your higher self knows why you are here at this time. Given that, unless you opted to a physical act to end your life, I don't think your higher self will intervene to help you with this. I also have never heard of a spirit taking over a body and essentially 'booting out' the individual born with it. So I don't think that will work either.

Perhaps, instead of looking at ways to leave permanently, you focus on experiencing an OBE and then, while out, ask for a spirit guide. When they come, you can ask them these questions. But I would expect their answers would be to turn the tables on you and ask why you want to do that. My experience with guides is that they know more than they tell, and that you tend to be on the 'need to know' side of the equation. Meaning they may not give you the answers you want, but they may help you identify your need to do so and work through that so that you can live the life you came here to do. I liken them to spiritual psychologosts in some aspects. 

These are just my thoughts, and I don't necessarily subscribe to some of the definitions, however they are common so I used them. However, I would urge you to look deeply at what you want to do and why.   

Thanks for your reply I will give talking to a spirit guide some thought.

[Mez]

bored with life? how old are you? theres a whole world full of things to do.

[zorgblar]

bored with life? how old are you? theres a whole world full of things to do.

Im 19.

[Bird]

I had times like that too, they pass when you love somebody.
When I'm by myself I often wouldn't mind too much to leave either.

Here I found some story about taoist monks who seemed to have left their bodies for good:

"The emperors of China traditionally were fascinated with the Taoist yogis reputation for seeing into the minds of others, controlling the weather, and in some cases manipulating or harming others at a distance. They would attempt to cajole and sometimes force their Taoist advisors to use their magical powers for political ends. An unfortunate effect of this was that great secrecy and intrigue grew up around the Taoist practices. The original esoteric system was often taught only piecemeal, lest any one individual become too powerful. As a result, the teachings became scattered or were held secret by a select few. Communist suppression of religion in the 1950s and 1960s forced many Taoists underground or to Taiwan. One story, told to Master Chia, is particularly chilling. Apparently soldiers of the People's Republic of China, out combing the countryside for a periodic census, stumbled on nearly a thousand mysteriously immobile old men sitting in meditation in caves of the Five Sacred Mountains of central China. These hermits didn't respond to any stimuli, didn't seem to have any need for food or sleep, and didn't even seem to breathe. The soldiers collected them and placed them, still sitting cross-legged, in a grassy field. Then they tried to wake them. But nothing the soldiers could do would rouse them. The old men were apparently absorbed in deep meditation and were out of their bodies traveling in other dimensions - a very high state in Taoist practice. To the Chinese army, however, these silent meditators were a menace. Word of their existence might spread among the populace and rekindle the peasants' deep-seated reverence for the ancient teachings. The Chinese government, still embattled with traditional Chinese culture, could not afford to have the people learn of these remarkable adepts - so the army doused them with gasoline and set them a fire. In the light of such stories, it should not be surprising that Taoism has only begun to reemerge in the last few years."

This was from an article about Mantak Chia and Taoist esoteric.
I googled that name and found this:http://www.universal-tao.com/master_chia.html

[Zarklon]

Hey zorgblar  .. Your not alone feeling the way you do "bored with life".  I too have been feeling that way for a long time.. What Bird said , "they pass when you love somebody." , is very true.. In many ways it will give you something , or someone , to live for.  If anything you should learn to love yourself and learn to appreciate life for what it is.. Look at things in a whole new light even.  I just came out of the most horrible relationship I have ever been in with a girl and I had a baby by her so it makes things even harder to get this girl out of my life.  Instead of looking back on how horrible of an experience it all was , I can look back and appreciate what I've learned about myself and about the many individuals I had to deal with because of meeting her.  I learned to hone my intuition so well because of that relationship.

What I'm saying is , you might want to find out something about life that interests you.. Theres something for everyone and if you search hard enough you'll end up realizing what you are really here for.  Its not to die or commit suicide.. Thats nobody's reason for being here.  Love yourself , search yourself , and appreciate life by seeing it in a new light.  Maybe you could use a boost of self-esteem.. One way to do this , strangely enough , is to do things for other people.. total strangers even..  Open the door for someone as you walk through it before them.  Pick up the change an elderly person dropped and hand it back to them to save them the back-ache.. Anything you can do to be courteous and allow yourself to feel good about it.  It will not only bring you good karma but you may find out that you enjoy doing it and only good things will come of it.  I don't know what it would take for you to enjoy life and find your renewed interest in it but I do know one thing.. You are here for a reason and you have certain obstacles to overcome.  Don't take these obstacles as negative things.. take them as challenges and make them goals for yourself to overcome.  That will bring a renewed interest in life right there.  Then you can look back and realize one day how much you've changed and what you've accomplished and maybe appreciate the fact that you didn't go through with committing suicide to accomplish it.

I hope I've have some positive influence here. You can contact me and talk about things if you want.  I'm a good listener and I won't judge you no matter what you've done. 

Peace!

[DriftingConscience]

[To invite some spirit to take over your body
    could get you into serious trouble.
    If you end up possessed, it may be very hard to get rid of that entity again that
    you invited, because you gave permission to be possessed.
    Even if it is just something created by your own subconscious mind,
    it might be very hard to get back to normal again. ]


How Is that different from Schizophrenia if you are copossessed alongside your higher self with another entity.

[Mez]

just find something to do. theres heaps to choose from.

[AndrewTheSinger]

Exactly, life is much more precious than what we can even begin to understand.

But, since he is curious, there's something he can try.

Whenever you're Dreaming or A.P.ing pretend that you're an interviewer and ask 5 random questions to anyone that you find there. Start your questions with "In your opinion..." and make sure that the questions are short.

After doing that, force yourself to wake up and immediately place your hand on your forehead and temples.

See?

Death is every blink of an eye, forget about death, you can do much better than that.

[Bird]

[To invite some spirit to take over your body
    could get you into serious trouble.
    If you end up possessed, it may be very hard to get rid of that entity again that
    you invited, because you gave permission to be possessed.
    Even if it is just something created by your own subconscious mind,
    it might be very hard to get back to normal again. ]


How Is that different from Schizophrenia if you are copossessed alongside your higher self with another entity.

Don't know. Maybe schizophrenia is a lifelong condition while possession can be just a temporary calamity?

[zorgblar]

The essence which will leave your body is exactly the same as what is making the decision to do so in the first place. You can't ask or convince anything to do something that you want because it's just reflecting back on you. There is no other entity to do your bidding.

Why do you want to know how to leave your body forever? Do you see this as a kind of peaceful, controlled death or are you unhappy with something?

-AM

Im not unhappy about anything Awakened_Mind im just kinda bored with life.And yes i do see leaveing my body forever by choice is a peaceful and controlled death.