The validity of UFOs & ETs.....

[Old Dood]

I have been on a quest as of late to read and view as much as I can on this subject.

I firmly believe we are being totally LIED to about our Universe.

This thread is about what 'proof' we can all share to the reality of what is really going on.

Here are some links that will get it started.  I will admit that these testimonies will shock some of you.
It has totally changed my outlook on what is really going on....anymore!

LINK: http://www.projectcamelot.org/bill_holden.html
This is a man's named Bill Holden.  Very likeable.  I get a positive feeling from him.
The kind of person I would feel totally at home sharing a cup of coffee with and having a chat...

LINK: http://www.projectcamelot.org/jim_sparks.html
This man's name is Jim Sparks.  He has been abducted hundreds of times. Fantastic story to tell all of us.

LINK: http://www.projectcamelot.org/dan_burisch.html
This man's name is Dan Burisch. This is a total 'eye-opening' experience for all of us.
Here is his Biography: http://www.projectcamelot.org/dan_burisch_summary.html
The top set of videos is from July 2007.  The bottom set of videos is from July 2006.
I suggest using the Windows Media link.  For some 'reason' Google has deleted some of this websites videos.  Hmmm...I wonder why?
They are not illegal in any way shape or form.
This is Dan's blog: http://www.neweaglesforum.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=mongrel&action=display&thread=1176967560&page=1

Just amazing things here.  Spirituality is at the very core of it all. 

[Greytraveller]

Thanx for the links Old Dood
I too have taken an interest in this field and in related material.
I'll check some of this out and get back with a comment or opinion.

[Greytraveller]

Right, I just finished taking a perfunctory look at the projectcamelot website.

Some of the interviews are quite interesting, paricularly the interview with Robert Dean.

Yet some of their information seems contradictory. And the idea that the 'aliens' who crashed at Roswell in July 1947 were actually humans time travelling back from the future seems to me to be a bit too far 'out there'. Also the notion that there is an invisible brown dwarf star in the solar system coming closer to earth is a bit farfetched.

Could it be a case that the people of projectcamelot actually are on to something but have drawn the wrong conclusions from the facts???

[Old Dood]

I have to run out and do 'things' (Wife's Honey Do list) and I will get back to you....

The Dwarf is a well known secret.  Planet X is the other term used for it. Sumarians spoke of this in their text....

[Synergy]

. Also the notion that there is an invisible brown dwarf star in the solar system coming closer to earth is a bit farfetched.

Actually its not that far fetched.  As you may know, the new planetoid Sedna was descovered in recent times, having an elliptical orbit that takes it far out from the rest of the solar system and in the region of the inner Oort cloud and the kuiper belt.  What has the scientists so baffled is Sedna's orbit patten.  At first they thought Sedna's odd orbit was caused by the large planets in our solar system, but this theory was proven wrong.  The conclusion is that there must be something else there that we arent seeing yet (or maybe we have but it was catalogued as a more distant object) something affecting Sedna.  I read one article that suggested that Sedna may be orbiting a sub-brown dwarf star that has yet to be discovered but would account for Sedna's orbital pattern.  And since Sedna does approach a time in its orbit nearer to the rest of the planets in our solar system, so too may be the brown dwarf..... the brown dwarf having the actual orbit in our solar system and Sedna being in tow.   They are trying to correlate this possible brown dwarf, to the fabled Nibiru. 

Here is a link talking about Sedna, Nibiru and the possibility of a brown dwarf, as well as other theories about this...
http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/sedna.htm

[Old Dood]

That is a good website Synergy...

Also people are just becoming aware that the whole Solar System is having changes.  All the planets and some moons are going through their version of Global Warming.

This is an older bit of info (2004 I believe) but very interesting: http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-27-2004_Interplanetary_Part_2/InterplanetaryDayAfter-Part2.htm

As for Time Travel WE did it in the Philadelphia Experiment.  Yes, that was real. I do not have a hard time anymore looking at the Roswell Aliens (Greys) as future Earthlings.  They are on a different 'Time Line' then we are. They have their own agenda and it is not in our best interest. There are 'other' ETs that are trying to help us.
I am learning more and more about this.

There are no paradoxes like we 'think' there would be.  The Roswell Greys were the ones that gave us tech (not because they wanted to either...we took it) that we ended up 'Back Engineering'.  Why do you think we jumped so far ahead with technology break-throughs right around that time?  Transisters, Micro Waves, Digital, LEDs, DNA was discovered in the early 1950s.  The list goes on and on.  EXCEPT...they kept some of the greatest Tech surpressed.  Zero-Point Energy is an example of that. Just think of where we could be if all of us here on earth had access to that?  We would actually have Jetson Cars...  However, 'they' can't put a meter on it and make money.

Also I too agree with the Bob Dean videos. They are some of my favorites too. Very 'believeable'. 
As well as this man Clifford Stone: http://www.projectcamelot.org/clifford_stone.html 

What I like about these two men is that they will tell you if they do not know something.  Very important. Anyone stating that they know it all about this subject is lieing.

Project Camelot is not the only resource for this. They are a good one in my opinion because they have collected some of the best ones and they will not post anything with out some kind of credibility.

EDIT: Oops....I forgot this little guy Boris Kipriyanovich: http://www.projectcamelot.org/boriska.html   

This is a very deep subject.  A lot deeper then I thought it would be once I started using a web search engine to look for more info.  There is tons of it out there now.
More and more everyday.  Of course we have to be skeptical with most of it. We would be foolish not to be skeptical.  Still, it is getting easier and easier to believe what people are saying....AND...NOT SAYING.  Meaning the Media.  With all of this latest influx of information in the last 5 years then why isn't the Media looking into it more and more?  Sci-Fi TV shows still sell well.  Same for Sci-Fi movies.  So the interest is out there.  Then why isn't the MSM (Main Stream Media) looking into this more and more?  I firmly believe they have been compromised.  Look at politics.  They are not asking the 'real' questions as pertaining to our Constitution being shredded.  Then I don't expect them to be asking the 'real' questions for ETs on earth at this time. Because of that this proves to me that the MSM has been compromised for a very long time now... 

David Rockefeller said it best on the Media:
"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." - In an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

[volcomstone]

    This is way off topic, and probally has little bearing on the purpose of this post (whatever it might be).

All of these things are frightening aspects of a infinite and complex physical universe, but what of the metaphysical and astral?

   Technology and scientific advances are only relevant in physical reality, what technology exists in the astral that we cannot yet create?

  sooooooo, I'm saying that whatever aliens exist unknown (or known) to us are all most likely mortal, even the fabled Annunaki of N'biru no doubt are mortal, physical, biological entities.  Which means that they are subject to the laws that govern existance (in this physical reality) . 


  However going even more star trekish would delve this into a fantastical debate about pure energy beings and whatnot.

   I just don't see any real reason to believe that there is any threat to humanity . I say this because our existance (as brief as it may have been) has permanently etched our memory into the very fabric of non-physical reality (astral , subspace whatever).  We cannot be erased, and our immediate destruction would be followed by infinite echo's of our existance perpetuating through the fabric of space indefinatly. (no doubt influencing stars creation and demise, or being perverted into television signals)

damn I lost my point,,,,,  I guess I'm just tripping out...... 

   

   

[Awakened_Mind]

Very interesting stuff. It is a lot deeper than what appears on the surface. Re-occuring theme here being that there is an elite group of people who don't care about the rest of us. Whether the theories are true or not, one must still ask why the idea is in the human psyche.

-AM

[Stookie]

this is related:

http://www.yahoo.com/s/734750

[Awakened_Mind]

I'd also like to point out some of recent understandings of a theory of the bible to be taken metaphorically for events of astronomical significance rather than literally. One such being that the end of the age of Pisces would be signified by the coming of a man with water, or the star constellation Aquarius. Now in my understand the J-Rods from timeline 2 come from the Aquarius constellation. Interestingly enough the UFO convention is to be held next year in the Aquarius casino and resort in Navada. This does raise some confusion because it's also in my understanding that we are assumingly inclined to pursure the path of the Orions, the spiritual humans.

What are people's thoughts on these coincidences with Aquarius?

-AM

EDIT: Another thing I'd like to say is Terrence Mckenna says in a lecture on UFO's that a possible explanation for UFO phenomenon is that it's ourselves from a future time that have come back because this moment effects the future as well as our present. I am very fond of the idea of these ET's as being future human's rather than a species on a completely different biological evolutionary line. The hardest thing probably to get around here is the paradoxes of time that are created. Wow.

[Greytraveller]

If I may, I would like to briefly return to the ideas of
1) an unknown brown dwarf star somewhere in Our solar System, and
2) The Roswell 'aliens' actually being future humans coming back in time on Earth.

As to 1) Would not a brown dwarf star constantly emit copious amounts of radiation in all wavelengths? And would not that radiation have been monitored by someone on Earth long ago. Maybe my knowledge of brown dwarfs is faulty. I thought that a brown dwarf is many times more massive than Jupiter and generates its own UV, thermal and IR radiation. (??)

As to 2) The time traveller explanation seems unduly complex to me. I have a lot less trouble believing that an advanced civilization of ETs has found a way to go faster than light than to believe that Roswell was the result of a time travel experiment gone awry. Wormholes/stargates/energy portals could account for interstellar travel with relatively low energy needed. Yet time travel, according to scientists like Michio Kaku and others, requires nearly an infinite amount of energy to accomplish. IMHO I tend to favor the simpler explanations. The idea of Earth having been visited by ETs (or currently being visited by ETs) seems to be the simpler explanation.

[Awakened_Mind]

In terms of infinite energy I think we're looking at technology that has accessed the zero point field.

In tems on complexity I'd agree. There are two timelines, one with many visitors from the same linear time. Why did they have to wait 24, 45 and 52 thousand years to time travel back to earth? Are we dealing with the one space with multiple timelines existing at once or many spaces and timelines?

This question is complex but bare with me, the J-rod's didn't know the Orions survived until they met them in our time, why isn't it written in their own history that in 2012 they dealt with them? Why isn't it written in their history that they travelled back in time? I mean with this technology they've almost made their history their present as well!

Seems to me that 2012 for us is a pivotal point both for us and for them. If the P-45's succeed in perturbing the catastrophe then they'd know 7000 years later as P52's. However the P-52 j-rods are here as well. So everyone seems to be travelling a long at the same speed about what's going to occur on different timelines? All different variations of humans are moving a long on the same front on different timelines. On our level this front is about to cross 2012, and p-45's 45 thousand years on p52's 52 thousand etc. Effecting all at once? How does time work in that respect being that 4 times are linked by the same speed?

Definately complex and raises a lot of questions, these time problems create many paradoxes as well.

-AM

[malganis]

this came out recently

http://www.serpo.org/release27a.asp

It's a very entertaining read although it's probably a hoax.

[Old Dood]

this came out recently

http://www.serpo.org/release27a.asp

It's a very entertaining read although it's probably a hoax.

I do not believe it is a hoax however, there is a lot of disinformation on the subject.

Read from page one.  The same man that started that site is now involved with this one:
http://www.projectcamelot.org/interviews.html

Talk about interesting....that is an understatment.

That FACT is that we have been lied to for a very long time. It is now time for Full Disclosure on the subject about all ETs & UFOs.

[volcomstone]

  I thought we are a precious metal mining colony, hoarding gold and copper to be injected into n'biru's atmosphere for its long, sunless and  comet-like journey.

   The Rg-veda describes flying vehicles powered by mercury tornado's.

  Or is the gold and copper just used to power ufo's?

  and what about the "trans-dimensionalists" ,shadowpeople, mothmen and other "aliens" that are said to transubstantiate (sp?) out of thin air?

[Awakened_Mind]

I looked into Nibiru recently. I'm not particularly interested in the 'Reptilian theory' but it's probably best if I generally educate myself in the area. Has anyone got any sites on the science of Nibiru, more from perhaps NASA or some recognised space intelligence agency? Preferably free from the enslavement theories to offer a different perspective.

-AM

[Old Dood]

  I thought we are a precious metal mining colony, hoarding gold and copper to be injected into n'biru's atmosphere for its long, sunless and  comet-like journey.

   The Rg-veda describes flying vehicles powered by mercury tornado's.

  Or is the gold and copper just used to power ufo's?

  and what about the "trans-dimensionalists" ,shadowpeople, mothmen and other "aliens" that are said to transubstantiate (sp?) out of thin air?

You got me.  I am still trying to learn myself.

As for the Gold...I was reading that it was used in the atmosphere to 'reflect' sunlight or something to that effect.

Point is...there IS something going on and of course WE the PEOPLE are the last to find anything out.
The internet is a great tool but, even that is filled with Fakes & more importantly 'Disinformation'.

[Stookie]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Zecharia Sitchen and his books on the sumarian tablets regarding the Annunaki and Nibiru. It's the original source of the information. However, there is no good scientific evidence to support the idea of a Plantet X or Nibiru. If it were to come 5 years from now as claimed, it would already be effecting the solar system.

[Old Dood]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Zecharia Sitchen and his books on the sumarian tablets regarding the Annunaki and Nibiru. It's the original source of the information. However, there is no good scientific evidence to support the idea of a Plantet X or Nibiru. If it were to come 5 years from now as claimed, it would already be effecting the solar system.

Got that right here: http://www.sitchin.com/

I have a Bookmark of him and about 30 other people.

[Old Dood]

A Video Short named: Have you seen a UFO?

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Jyot6NsfA

"Mission control, Please be informed, there is a Santa Clause..."
NASA Astronaut James Lovell flying with Frank Borman and William
Anders, emerging from the dark side of the moon during their historic
first circumlunar mission, Apollo-8, in December of 1968.

[AndrewTheSinger]

Hey Old Dood, have you seen the nasa tether incident, from 1996? Check out, this is the best evidence ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-wYmFYb3I

Craters found on Mars on the left, and on the right one of the flying objects, those things are huge! The smallests are a few miles in diameter:
comparison

Search for pictures of Iapetus, this is cool. I'm a believer now.

[Old Dood]

I will check them out Andrew later when I am on my home computer...

At work now...must be 'loyal' to my employer.  Well, at least somewhat...hehe!

[Old Dood]

Hey Old Dood, have you seen the nasa tether incident, from 1996? Check out, this is the best evidence ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-wYmFYb3I

Craters found on Mars on the left, and on the right one of the flying objects, those things are huge! The smallests are a few miles in diameter:
comparison

Search for pictures of Iapetus, this is cool. I'm a believer now.

Sorry Andrew,
For not getting back to you sooner. That is some awesome 'evidence'.

Just look at the swarms of UFOs around that tether.