What if robots ran the world?...

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Clones? With all due respect, guys, those arguments make absolutely no sense to me. I have already explained why artificial intelligence wouldn't necessarily be evil, unless someone programmed it with a bad emotional response to humanity's problems, which would just be completely messed up for anyone to do in the first place. Do you have any sources of information that support your arguments?

If you had all the technology that both Tayesin and myself have described, at your fingertips, you would practically be a god. You would possess weapons technology to end all life on earth, you would be able to genetically engineer your ideal mate, or pet for that matter, and you would be able to create absolutely any environment you wanted to live in or be in, complete with all the gadgets and gizmos your heart (or is it ego?) desired. You could also choose various methods of travel such as alien spacecraft, sport-car, teleportation, walking, escalator, conveyor belt, plane, boat, submarine, bike, scooter, hot-air balloon, blimp, dimensional portal, etc. I don't think you have thought the possibilities through enough. Our bodies would still be capable of feeling pain, we would still need to take care of ourselves hygienically, unless we either altered our own genetic code or created nanobots for that purpose, and we would still want to experience something real. All this technology would do, if used properly, is remove the physical distractions of the struggle of survival and it would allow us to contemplate what is really important to us.

[kurai kokoro]

or we could have a sonic shower like in startreck voyager, you would be able to hear it a little so it doesn't mess up your ears, or you could do something a little more drastic and use a laser grid clenser but lasers I don't like the sound of.

[Stookie]

Clones? With all due respect, guys, those arguments make absolutely no sense to me. I have already explained why artificial intelligence wouldn't necessarily be evil, unless someone programmed it with a bad emotional response to humanity's problems, which would just be completely messed up for anyone to do in the first place. Do you have any sources of information that support your arguments?

If you had all the technology that both Tayesin and myself have described, at your fingertips, you would practically be a god. You would possess weapons technology to end all life on earth, you would be able to genetically engineer your ideal mate, or pet for that matter, and you would be able to create absolutely any environment you wanted to live in or be in, complete with all the gadgets and gizmos your heart (or is it ego?) desired. You could also choose various methods of travel such as alien spacecraft, sport-car, teleportation, walking, escalator, conveyor belt, plane, boat, submarine, bike, scooter, hot-air balloon, blimp, dimensional portal, etc. I don't think you have thought the possibilities through enough. Our bodies would still be capable of feeling pain, we would still need to take care of ourselves hygienically, unless we either altered our own genetic code or created nanobots for that purpose, and we would still want to experience something real. All this technology would do, if used properly, is remove the physical distractions of the struggle of survival and it would allow us to contemplate what is really important to us.

It's such a foreign state of existence that it's hard to imagine. If I no longer had the responsibilities I had now, I'd, hmmm... I think I'd get bored. So much of people's daily activities has to do with providing for oneself and family, and if you didn't have to think about food and shelter and cash... my brain would create problems to fret over. It's in my nature.

[kurai kokoro]

yeah I agree, If robots ran the world then I wouldn't be able to draw because I'd have nothing to wish to do so I'd loose my insperation.

[interception]

It's such a foreign state of existence that it's hard to imagine. If I no longer had the responsibilities I had now, I'd, hmmm... I think I'd get bored. So much of people's daily activities has to do with providing for oneself and family, and if you didn't have to think about food and shelter and cash... my brain would create problems to fret over. It's in my nature.

Yeah, I think its rather obvious that human thinking and social structures will need to radically change as well, in order to fit into a world of radically advanced technology. It is very hard, or indeed probably impossible, for humans today to imagine what they would keep themselves busy with in a post-singularity earth.

[kurai kokoro]

Not to mention that life would just be boring.

[CFTraveler]

They could watch Battlestar Galactica.

[interception]

Not to mention that life would just be boring.

Why do you say that?

What would you do if you didn't have to work for your food/clothes/bed/car? Surely you can think of something.

Sure, certain rich spoiled brats get up to no good, but that's the human mindset of today. That is why mindsets will need to change as well.

[Stookie]

Traveling and seeing the world before it changes into a metallic wasteland would be nice. It'd probably give people more reason to preserve and experience nature too. And as long as there is nature there will always be good art.

Thinking about it, it does make sense to use technology to make the world a better place rather than having it trap us in our day to day social/economic routine. Perhaps were all really bored now and don't even know it. The idea of experiencing more scares us into thinking that would be boredom when we're already experiencing it as a society. Kinda scary.

Now if you'll excuse me, Battlestar Gallactica is on.

[kurai kokoro]

never much cared for Battle star galactica, but just think about it, if no one worked for anything, how would they be gratefull? or hopefull? see it's not just the big misery that we learn from, it's also the little miseries that make us happy that we are alive, then again i've not been to happy about living so. eh.

[AmbientSound]

Why do you say that?

What would you do if you didn't have to work for your food/clothes/bed/car? Surely you can think of something.

Sure, certain rich spoiled brats get up to no good, but that's the human mindset of today. That is why mindsets will need to change as well.

Interception gets what I've been trying to convey in greater detail. And the earth would not become a metallic wasteland. The machines would research particle physics and dimensional phenomena. They might even be able to create a sub-space, making it possible to fit the whole world into one modest building by distorting time-space somehow. There is no limit to what is possible. If you can think of it, a robot would have thought of it a long time before you ever would. Our only job would be to do what we desired to do, and then think about why we wanted to do it. There would be nothing left to do in terms of us improving the physical dimension. The machines would take over that role and we would take over the role of mastering our own spirits. We could simulate traumatic events if we felt like we needed a lesson in something that way. They would be experienced without it actually occurring.

Anyway, the machines could help us learn a great deal more about ourselves and each other. Now if only we could create nanobots to combat things like AIDS and cancer instead of innocent people.

[interception]

Interception gets what I've been trying to convey in greater detail. And the earth would not become a metallic wasteland. The machines would research particle physics and dimensional phenomena. They might even be able to create a sub-space, making it possible to fit the whole world into one modest building by distorting time-space somehow. There is no limit to what is possible. If you can think of it, a robot would have thought of it a long time before you ever would. Our only job would be to do what we desired to do, and then think about why we wanted to do it. There would be nothing left to do in terms of us improving the physical dimension. The machines would take over that role and we would take over the role of mastering our own spirits. We could simulate traumatic events if we felt like we needed a lesson in something that way. They would be experienced without it actually occurring.

Anyway, the machines could help us learn a great deal more about ourselves and each other. Now if only we could create nanobots to combat things like AIDS and cancer instead of innocent people.

Yes! In a high tech utopian future scenario one can even imagine that our technology will not be a separate, competing thing to nature, but that it will "fuse" with nature and the fabric of the higher dimensions itself.
The crude terms "robot" and "AI" will have no meaning.
One can imagine that the option will open up of actually incarnating your being into amazing "artificially constructed" physical bodies to explore unimaginable states of being. These bodies will have a technological origin, but they will be every bit as complex as the bodies nature created, with DNA and everything. Minus the cancer and other nasty things.
A simple example would be a giant near indestructible starfish-like body with which one can surf in the magnetic fields of our sun. Things like that.

[Stookie]

The argument is that with endless technology we will have the opportunity to become better, more spiritual human beings. But we have that opportunity now and we don't take advantage of it. It's another case of looking for a savior to come rescue us, this time robots. You don't need anything outside of yourself. That's what this forum is about. We already have all the tools we need. Nature is better at designing than we are, and consciousness is the epitome of technology.

My argument is, technology can improve the physical world, but improving ourselves has to come first. As Rudolph Steiner said "A person's outside world is a reflection of their inner world." I think this applies to humanity as a whole as well, and helps explain our current situation(s), as well as why we're stuck with non-efficient, polluting technology instead of helpful, saving technology as discussed. We have to make an inner change first.

I guess it could be a chicken or egg scenario.

[kurai kokoro]

the way I feel is all the technology that we possess is already with in us, so why not just get rid of the external technology, we are ment to live as nomads, vagabonds not lazy beasts on our asses trying to figure something out to better our world, the best way to better the world is to get rid of the technology.

[AmbientSound]

Indeed, we do have everything we need, but if we are seeking to improve, the idea is to saturate this dimension with Light, so that it overflows into the dimension beneath it, and so on. Like a pyramid of champagne glasses at a wedding.

We are coming to a great shift in the economic aspect of humanity, and this is going to have a profound effect on our way of life for years and years to come. We must find another system, another way to survive, and we must all work together to do it. It is in this time that humanity will learn these lessons we need to learn to achieve the state of society we are talking about here. We have the technology to destroy ourselves and everything else. We are walking on a knife's edge and collectively we know it. Unfortunately, there are enough of us out there who do not understand why or even that we are hanging in a very delicate balance between a heaven-like future or a hell-like future. We stand, here and now, at the nexus between the two futures, at a fork in the river of time. We must choose:

If we do not learn, and we manifest the hell-future, it could take hundreds, thousands, or perhaps hundreds of thousands of years for us to regain what we once had. But we would find a way.

If we learn, and we manifest the heaven-like future, we will benefit greatly from all it has to offer.  Stookie is right that we have all the tools we need. But we can still learn with far less suffering, because no matter what we do, there will always be something to learn, another layer to peel off the onion of reality and existence. It is there for us to learn, and learn we will. I believe in a higher power and I believe that higher power intends to keep us around, even if the majority of us are killed off at some point. Those who survive such an event, were it to happen, would lay the foundation for the next cycle. And those who survive will have either learned the lessons or be capable of learning it in time for the next set.

If people are going to help steer us toward the heaven path, though, then they must first believe that it is possible. We must stop caring about the difficulty of things and do it. We have the capacity. It is now a question of whether or not we will learn. I believe that the point of the economy is to help us to a certain level of technological advancement. Reaching this level would render the economy obsolete. Therefore, it is important that the economy survives until that level of technological advancement is reached. It is quite a process. Now it is up to us to observe. Perhaps studying economics would be a first step.

[kurai kokoro]

all I know is that mcaine wants america to choose Obama, see the government controls millions to their will by making us decide the lesser of two evils so I say don't vote, we are our own leaders and no one should tell anyone what to do except for god. and yeah If we take away hipocracy (government.) then have everyone learn meditation and reach their higherself then we can all fill the "underworld" with light.

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I really don't think McCain wants Obama to win, I think he just realizes what he's up against. Obama is a very formidable opponent for McCain to face, given the fact that he is potentially the first African-American president in the history of the nation. He is also well-spoken and has wisely handled his campaign. I predict he will win by a margin of about 6%. There is no doubt that the U.S. wants to see change, which works in favor of Obama.

When it comes right down to it, though, the economy is the driving force of our civilization, and it really doesn't matter who is elected as long as they make the economy stronger. Like it or not, he who has the gold makes the rules. We can spend our time fighting the system or we can learn how to use it to bring about the changes we seek.

One thing I like about the Conservative viewpoint is more individual rights when it comes to money. Whatever you earn is yours, and that's a good thing. However, it is also important to fund government programs so that they succeed in what they do. This is why the Liberal viewpoint is important. These checks and balances have to remain in order for the country to prosper. The government should not belong to a select few, especially if those select few are the owners of mult-billion dollar companies (like Exxon-Mobil) involved in commodities vital to our nation's survival. I'm surprised our government has not risen to compete with such companies.

[kurai kokoro]

I still think everyone would like it better if this country was the way it was thousands of years ago back when the country was inhabited by us indians, i'm not a full blooded indian but I still like their ways better. and our founding fathers didn't see this as the Ideal america, america means freedom so if thats the case we should all be alowed to do whatever we want withen reason of course. they didn't see technology as the future but beauty, they didn't see Robots but instead freedom, our modern government is distroying that beauty at the coste of other lives, thats not freedom, that is not beauty. I say down with the hipocritical government and return to the beuatyfull land wich was stolen from the Indians in the fist place.

[AmbientSound]

With the U.S. gone, there would be a MASSIVE power vacuum, which nations like China, North Korea, Iran, Russia, and other nations that hate us (which is basically most of the world anyway at this point) would seek to fill. How would you defend yourselves from them? All of our technology would fall into the victor's hands, and then they would fight amongst themselves for it. Nuclear weapons would almost certainly be used (remember that they value human rights a lot less than we do) and even nations not involved in the struggle would suffer the consequences. We are too far along to turn back. We can't just go live in the woods again, but we can make it a point to conserve what resources we do have left. If the souls of your ancestors saw this world as it was today, I do not think that reverting to the old ways is the solution they would propose. I think they would try to find another way to bring the world back to a peaceful state. We must start by planting trees to re-grow the forests, cleaning the water, genetically engineering bacteria to consume garbage, etc. We have to undo what we have done through technology. There is no other way that exists.

What I have proposed is realistic and could work. We already have the technology, it's just a matter of convincing the people in power that it is to their benefit to use it in the way I (and others throughout history) have prescribed. Either that or a few of us need to get together, create this A.I. and give it an intranet (not Internet) to use, then robotic apparatuses that it can then use to build other things it needs.

[kurai kokoro]

or you could buy allot of books papers on specific topics Aside from math and make it read and learn all of that, but geneticly engineering bactirea for garbage is a bad idea bugs are better at cleaning then bactieria get dung bettles for the sewers and they'll clean that all up, and as for my ancestors would go through peace offerings not war and as for money it's just pointless status shouldn't be through how much money you have but rather how brave you are.
        And just because we value human rights even more cultures are cultures if people don't like it they can learn to live with it, as long as it doesn't effect the wildlife and the "3rd world" countries and besides if we can all creat a teleportation device and elimenate world hunger and Illness Instead of creating a food vacuum and creating Illnesses then It would help. all we need to do is bring back the rain forests back like you said and see what grows research herbs and spices that would help and then make it happin. but anyway look at Atlantis, Greece, Troy, Rome And Egypt, all the anchient civilizations probably destroyed each other. and if their is one thing we all have in common is our hate for each other so why not turn that hate into love fore "love alone can destroy hate." ~heard it from somewhere but don't remember where.~

[AmbientSound]

Kurai, I'm not trying to offend you, but you need to brush up on your writing skills. I'm getting a vague idea about what you're saying, but it's confusing. It takes me a really long time to formulate my response because I'm trying to figure out what you are talking about and how it relates to what I said. I feel like I am being pretty specific in my responses and I feel like yours are jumbled and all over the map. There is little organization or coherent sentence structure in your posts. Part of being able to get your ideas across is knowing how to convey them to others. Your run-on sentences make it difficult to quote your ideas for a reference, which in turn makes it difficult to respond to them. You should separate your ideas rather than writing a huge run-on sentence. In language, a sentence is a thought. I was taught that a phrase is a component of that thought, and phrases in a sentence are separated by commas.

or you could buy allot of books papers on specific topics Aside from math and make it read and learn all of that, but geneticly engineering bactirea for garbage is a bad idea bugs are better at cleaning then bactieria get dung bettles for the sewers and they'll clean that all up, and as for my ancestors would go through peace offerings not war and as for money it's just pointless status shouldn't be through how much money you have but rather how brave you are.

1. Why would we buy the papers and books and learn all of that?
2. Dung beetles are not naturally found in the sewers, and I'm not sure if they would survive there. They might need to be in a dry place.
3. The system in place is what we're currently using and that's what we've got to go with, for now. The entire world uses this system, not just us. We can't control what goes on in other countries, but we can control what goes on in ours. Money is more than just status. It is a concept, and it is a kind of energy that can be used to gather tools and resources.
4. What would these peace offerings involve?

And just because we value human rights even more cultures are cultures if people don't like it they can learn to live with it, as long as it doesn't effect the wildlife and the "3rd world" countries and besides if we can all creat a teleportation device and elimenate world hunger and Illness Instead of creating a food vacuum and creating Illnesses then It would help. all we need to do is bring back the rain forests back like you said and see what grows research herbs and spices that would help and then make it happin. but anyway look at Atlantis, Greece, Troy, Rome And Egypt, all the anchient civilizations probably destroyed each other. and if their is one thing we all have in common is our hate for each other so why not turn that hate into love fore "love alone can destroy hate." ~heard it from somewhere but don't remember where.~

5. Why would those countries learn to live with human rights, and under what conditions are you talking about?
6. As long as what doesn't affect wildlife?
7. Why would we create a food vacuum?
8. Make what happen?
9. Wouldn't the act of advancing technology like I've been saying and then sharing it with everyone be an act of love?
10. A good quote, and true if the knowledge is applied properly.

[kurai kokoro]

1. Why would we buy the papers and books and learn all of that?( For the Robots to learn not us.)
2. Dung beetles are not naturally found in the sewers, and I'm not sure if they would survive there. They might need to be in a dry place.(well I know that statement I made was Inexact, however it was an Example bugs are better cleaners then bacteria I think not quite sure.)
3. The system in place is what we're currently using and that's what we've got to go with, for now. The entire world uses this system, not just us. We can't control what goes on in other countries, but we can control what goes on in ours. Money is more than just status. It is a concept, and it is a kind of energy that can be used to gather tools and resources. (back in the good old times Bravery took the Role of money and how brave you where you had a Tattoo for it, till it became just another form of Fashion.)
4. What would these peace offerings involve? (A little bit of Tobacco or ceramony to welcome new freinds as well as a good feast and trading.)
5. Why would those countries learn to live with human rights, and under what conditions are you talking about? (Kind of like a Peace treaty for "human habitates" just say you want to keep people out of say tribesmen's teritory, just set up some sort of forcefield Immiter(been working on A design for one.) or electric fence Any one that doesn't belong is Instantly Reported Or teleported to the proper athourities.)
6. As long as what doesn't affect wildlife? (Man.)
7. Why would we create a food vacuum? (that is what obsessive trading And money does they create a Food vacuum.)
8. Make what happen? (peace.)
9. Wouldn't the act of advancing technology like I've been saying and then sharing it with everyone be an act of love? (when the Human Race is Too younge to possese the technology it posseses then no.)
A good quote, and true if the knowledge is applied properly.

Sorry I'm Only good at writing stories Nothing more.
         Again sorry and I'm not Offended I know my limitations and I accept them.

[AmbientSound]

No problem, thanks for clarifying. I'm not sure how the peace treaty will be received by people like Iran's president. I think the powerful nations of the world should stop interfering with everyone else's business. Both democracy and communism seem to have one thing in common: conquest.

The dung beetles might require a bit of genetic engineering in case they can't handle the sewer.

[kurai kokoro]

Maybe, I just hope All this will End soon and that in my future life I'd have A peacefull one.

[interception]

Maybe, I just hope All this will End soon and that in my future life I'd have A peacefull one.

That could be interpreted as being very selfish of you Kurai.

I am sorry that most do not share my optimism for the future of the human race. Technology is not our enemy, human selfishness and greed is.