Meeting Hitler in the afterlife.

[dbmathis]

Hi All,

So I have a question for anyone that may have participated in the program "Lifeline" or any such program like it.

Has anyone encountered a person who has just died who was very evil (or should I say cruel) who killed, raped or tortured innocent children in there physical life? I would like to know if this evil (or should I say cruelty) passes over to the other side?

I am not looking for opinions, I am only looking for information from those who have actually experienced meeting someone like this in the afterlife.

It just seems like if I can bring my good intentions to the afterlife, why would a cruel / ill intent person suddenly lose this part of them when crossing over after death and sudden become a good soul?

After finishing Robert Monroe's last book "Ultimate Journey" this week I didn't see much mention of this.

Best Regards

David

[Stookie]

I read an after-life experience once about a guy who constantly stole from others here on earth, and after he passed went to an after-life where everyone constantly stole from everyone else. While it was like heaven to him at first, he was also constantly being stole from, and after a while realized the futility in a reality like that and was ready to move on to better worlds.

In other words, perhaps there are places where we are weened off of our bad habits and negative thinking before experiencing the "more". A baptism of fire. I bet Hitler's is a huge fire.

[CFTraveler]

I was led to the lower astral (hellplane) and met a very well known serial killer who was punishing himself for the crimes he had committed.  I didn't get a sense of evil from him, more of a pathetic sadness and regret.  I don't know if he ever transcended this, or if he's still there.  I believe this was the 'belief system territories'.  Not a fun place to be, I tell you. Thinking back I think that though he still was immersed in pain, he was close enough to the entrance for me to think that he was starting to 'work it out', so to speak.

[CFTraveler]

Commenting on that last bit of what you said David- you may bring your 'good' intention  to the afterlife, but you're still in possession of your senses- you still have a body that perceives, and a brain that can access memories and a nervous system that emits and processes emotions, both 'good' and 'bad'.  When you project, you are not 'leaving' your body empty, you are processing what you perceive 'over there' in terms of how things work 'over here', and you do this with your body (brain, nervous system, etc.) when you bring the experience back to waking life.
A person who has died may or may not have access to memory- it really depends on where memory is stored- and they have lost touch with their body- so that means there is nothing to compare what they are creating in the afterlife and possibly no memory to compare it with.  So things that we take for granted, mainly judgement- the act of choosing to act from one experience to another, and the emotional drive that makes us act this or that way may be lost when someone crosses over, so that what they create may not be based on rational thought (or at least linear thought) because they no longer have a brain to think in a sequential way.  So it's very difficult to decide what someone takes with them, and how it may affect them.
That may be why some get 'stuck' in hellplanes of their own making- they have no context to compare their creation to.

[dbmathis]

CFTraveler

I was mostly basing the question on the Robert Monroe book "Ultimate Journey" I just finished reading. He has a program called "Lifeline" where he trains people to listen for help signals coming from what he calls focus level 23 (People who have died and got stuck). He claims to have gotten infomation from people who have died back in early 20th century that related to their physical life such as name, address, when they died, how they died etc. He was then able to validate some of this to be accurate.

He also refers to the "I-There" which is a cluster of consciousnesses and previous lives that he has lived. He claims to be able to relive any of these lives is perfect detail and to also be able to pull any memory from any previous life in perfect detail.

I am now 100 pages into the book by William Buhlman "Adventures Beyond the Body: How to Experience Out-of-Body" and he as well makes references to OBE where he communicates with dead family members that he never really knew.

It seems to me that the only point of our lives on Earth is to bring back human experience to the astral planes. These accounts that both Authors describe seem to somewhat contradict what you state above. I think I get what you are saying though, which is that some people forget that they were once human over time.

Best Regards

David

[CFTraveler]

I've read all of Monroe's books and most of Buhlman's.  I think the point of what I was trying to say is that there are many models of the afterlife, and they can be interpreted many ways.  My own experience for example is one of the belief system territories, much in accordance with how Monroe described it.
As to the validity of the memories, I  don't think you got my point-maybe I didn't describe it clearly enough (wouldn't be the first time) their idea is that it is necessary to bring linear thinking to what is essentially a nonlinear phenomenon- something which I agree with technically-but the question is why?
So here is what I think:
If consciousness is disintegrated after death and memories get recorded in the Akashic records and part of one's consciousness (the part of us that has no access to memories) goes on to reincarnate, then it would make sense that the object of OBE and lucid dreaming is to bring consciousness (or linear thinking) to what is unconscious- or, to coin another term- to make the collective unconscious into a different type of entity- 'the collective conscious'.
So I don't think it is contradictory at all, just a different way to describe an evolutionary experience, and find a reason for it.
But that's how I think.

[dbmathis]

Yeah, I agree with what you have last written above. Maybe I did misread you first post .

[Lighten]

Don't know where I read this but.... When you get to an extreme level of negative vibrations then you just literally cease to exist. You just go back to the source. Just like when you get such positive vibrations you return to the source. Anyways, again i don't know where i read that.

[Lighten]

sorry for the double post,

I also head that Hitler was a demon, one of the 7 maybe? Because if you believe in the exorcism of Emily rose She channeled like 4 or 5 different people and 1 of them was Hitler. they were all arguing over who would take her over or something like that. Christian propaganda? possible.