Tiredness and exhaustion?

[Star_gazer]

Hi i'm new here. I was just wondering if anyone else feels extremely tired and exhausted after projecting? as if you haven't actually slept, well technically you haven't but had no rest whatsoever?
Like the actions you perform when projecting are as real and tiring, if not more so than if you did them in this 'reality'. 

[galaxy_storm]

Hi i'm new here. I was just wondering if anyone else feels extremely tired and exhausted after projecting? as if you haven't actually slept, well technically you haven't but had no rest whatsoever?
Like the actions you perform when projecting are as real and tiring, if not more so than if you did them in this 'reality'. 

Yes I feel exactly like that. After an hour of unsuccesful "trying" I always feel extremely exhausted, almost like after some physical work, and I find it really difficult to fall asleep in these nights.

This is the thing that is discouraging me from trying more.

[CFTraveler]

Sometimes-this happens more at first, for various reasons- but the best cure is  extra rest at first, do energy work and take  time off occasionally and go back to it.  Once you've adapted, you won't feel that way.

[newmethod]

Yes I feel exactly like that. After an hour of unsuccesful "trying" I always feel extremely exhausted, almost like after some physical work, and I find it really difficult to fall asleep in these nights.

This is the thing that is discouraging me from trying more.

I also use to feel like this years ago when i was first attempting to project. Spent a few weeks attempting AP and this exhaustion and disruption to my sleep pattern a (as well as other "worldly" stuff) caused me to quit my practice. I've returned to practice after a long absence and on this return i haven't had any of the old symptoms that you describe. Not sure if my energetic system is stronger now but i think the main three reasons are that i don't feel this exhaustion now is:

1. I have less attachment to the NEED to project. I've resigned to the fact that it may take as long as a year to experience my first projection via the awake state and not entering through a LD (i have had a few successes OBE'ing through the LD)
2. My normal times to attempt projection would be in the moring after i awake and in the middle of the day (if i am not at work)
3. If i am attempting to project at night (before sleep) if/when i start to feel the 'tiring/exhausting' energy begin to dominate i simply roll over to sleep and leave it for another day.

I believe if i did my main projection attempts at night and attempted to push through this feeling (3. above) i would begin to tire and probably have difficulty sleeping as i have done in the past.

My current practice seems to energise me now unlike my old practice...

[CFTraveler]

Sounds like you've covered all the bases quite well, newmethod.

[Star_gazer]

that's strange, i didn't know there was a technique to it. i often can't stop myself from projecting, i find it difficult to stay inside my body and not float away and when i wake up suddenly i'm extremely worn out and it feels like where i project too is more real than reality.

[newmethod]

that's strange, i didn't know there was a technique to it. i often can't stop myself from projecting, i find it difficult to stay inside my body and not float away and when i wake up suddenly i'm extremely worn out and it feels like where i project too is more real than reality.

interesting.. i definately need to attempt to project. Otherwise currently i am not conscious of the experience.

I would simply go to sleep and start dreaming..
& when i awake i may or may not remember the dream...
  let alone a full OBE ....

Do you find it a positve experience?
many others i have read of that simply CAN'T stop themselves from projecting seem to find it unpleasant..
You?

[Star_gazer]

interesting.. i definately need to attempt to project. Otherwise currently i am not conscious of the experience.

I would simply go to sleep and start dreaming..
& when i awake i may or may not remember the dream...
  let alone a full OBE ....

Do you find it a positve experience?
many others i have read of that simply CAN'T stop themselves from projecting seem to find it unpleasant..
You?

My feelings change, sometimes i feel a bit nautious and even fearful and I try to restrain myself but other times i like the freedom of just 'escaping' (for want of a better word) to God knows where and flying really flying there's no better experience i tell ya.

If ur having problems projecting, try going into the 'twilight zone' that's the name i give to the place in between sleep and waking, If ur going to project that's the easiest place to do it, keep maybe half an eye open (by using ur pillow to hold ur eyelid up) and just let ureself slowly drift to sleep but try and stay aware, not 2 aware but just enough to know what your doing. I hope this makes some sense.

[newmethod]

@Star_gazer:

I like your new avatar it fits your username well..

[blackcat]

This has probably been mentioned but one way to project is to have a lucid dream.  Once lucid, run or fly at a solid object and tell yourself over and over that when you hit the solid object in the dream, then you will project.  This works!  I used to use it. 

Now I just ask to have the OBE before sleep and hope it happens.  I also tend to wake up for a few seconds now and then, especially in the morning hours, so I tell myself in those seconds that hey, what no OBE yet?  Well I better have one after I go back to sleep this time!  Then I go back to sleep. I just kinda keep needling my brain for one and I will usually get it in a few days.  But personally, I think a lot of it is just remembering what you are already doing often. I think we all OBE often but we just forget.  The trick is to remember.  Anyway that works for me.  Maybe it helps take the mystery out of it.  Think of it as normal and natural and I think that makes it much easier to do.  Plus try to let go of expectations. I think if you have an expectation about what OBEs will be like, and then you are trying for the expectation, then you are trying for something that is not an OBE.  Because your expectation will not likely be accurate.  So let go of all expectations.  Open yourself to 'whatever cool thing' or some such more vague plan and that can help.  Cuz you can never really describe it or imagine it accurately in advance.  The reality of it will always be different than what you expected.   

As for tiredness, trying did not make me tired cuz trying for me was just keep reminding myself to do it.  Either I had one or I didn't.  I have found that when I do have an OBE, I do often feel tired afterwards.  Extra sleep after the experience helps cut back on tiredness.  I remember Monroe said he would get tired after doing lots of OBEs and people even remarked that he looked tired and should cut back!
-Eva

[newmethod]

Now I just ask to have the OBE before sleep and hope it happens.  I also tend to wake up for a few seconds now and then, especially in the morning hours, so I tell myself in those seconds that hey, what no OBE yet?  Well I better have one after I go back to sleep this time!  Then I go back to sleep. I just kinda keep needling my brain for one and I will usually get it in a few days.  But personally, I think a lot of it is just remembering what you are already doing often. I think we all OBE often but we just forget.  The trick is to remember.  Anyway that works for me.  Maybe it helps take the mystery out of it.  Think of it as normal and natural and I think that makes it much easier to do.  Plus try to let go of expectations. I think if you have an expectation about what OBEs will be like, and then you are trying for the expectation, then you are trying for something that is not an OBE.  Because your expectation will not likely be accurate.  So let go of all expectations.  Open yourself to 'whatever cool thing' or some such more vague plan and that can help.  Cuz you can never really describe it or imagine it accurately in advance.  The reality of it will always be different than what you expected.   

Thanks for this.. i do have expectations.. Your words may help me in the future,

Thank you

[blackcat]

Newmethod,

Thanx, hope it helps. I read it once myself long ago around the time I was having trouble getting my astral self to pass through the door. I had read a bunch on how cool it feels to feel all the inside parts and layers of the door as I passed through them.  I was eager to feel this but could not get through the door after a few tries.  Then it occured to me that maybe my expectations were stopping me so I made a big  point of saying to myself right before the next attempt that I am purging all expectations and let what ever happen happen. And it worked!  I got through the door, felt the layers, etc.  Of course, i am not sure it worked because the expectations were the prob or because I had confidence in the plan and confidence was what I needed at the time.  Maybe it was a bit of both!
-Eva

[Star_gazer]

@Star_gazer:

I like your new avatar it fits your username well..

Thanks, i thot so 2.

As for tiredness, trying did not make me tired cuz trying for me was just keep reminding myself to do it.  Either I had one or I didn't.  I have found that when I do have an OBE, I do often feel tired afterwards.  Extra sleep after the experience helps cut back on tiredness.  I remember Monroe said he would get tired after doing lots of OBEs and people even remarked that he looked tired and should cut back!

Maybe i'm wrong, but i didn't know that you could actually try to project, i thot it was a case of u either can or u can't. That's how it happened to me, it just happened and i knew immediately that it wasn't a dream. I was actually quite terrified the first time it happened, i'm still convinced i saw death, someone, a hooded figure in black was standing near my bed and i felt an icy touch on my wrist, it took all my effort to pull away, i remember thinking, 'i'm going to die' then  i woke up in a cold sweat.  But yeah, i tend to feel extremely worn out after i've projected. But does anyone else feel like its almost an addiction, once u start u can't stop! once u can truly fly u feel like u can do anything!

[blackcat]

Well there are the stages like you can feel the vibrations, and then you could feel just your arms float out, or you could go just above your body but you feel it and are aware or it, and then you move away from the body.  So I would guess the acclimization of the process could make your tired.  Personally, I think there is a whole process in the body related to this stuff that can make you tired.  When I first started actively trying to have OBEs some 10 years ago, I mostly scoffed at the idea that it could really have much effect on me.  But since then I have gone through some stages early on during which I would get REALLY REALLY REALLY tired from what I was doing at night, even if I had no memories of any OBEs.  I do think some stuff goes on that is out of the range of good understanding and that can be tiring.  I think there can be something to that whole thing about once you really open the door, you can't close it again.  The only way after that is forward.
-Eva

[Star_gazer]

I would get REALLY REALLY REALLY tired from what I was doing at night, even if I had no memories of any OBEs.  I do think some stuff goes on that is out of the range of good understanding and that can be tiring.  I think there can be something to that whole thing about once you really open the door, you can't close it again.  The only way after that is forward.
-Eva

This happened yesterday, i became extremely tired and actually and to fight to stop myself from projecting, i ended up having to sit up and stay more than half awake. it was a very strange sensation.