A Whole New Type of Experience..AWESOME!!

[Drift]

Now this one was awesome!!

I watched the football this morning and then decided to go try an hour for OOBE. The results were bizarre!

I lay down in bed and used my usual technique, on my back letting my body go numb and trying to visualize myself out. In the end I failed although I did get disconnected I couldnt achieve the actual exit point.

Anyway, I decided to have a nap and see maybe if I could will myself to control the dream and how awesome the results were.

I lay on my side to sleep and I DID manage to take control of the first dream and turn it into OOBE. The only thing is I didnt realise it. I thought I had failed and decided to sleep again in a comfy poisition (actually I was in OOBE at this time).

So my OOBE self lay down on my wifes side of the bed to try sleep and take control of the dream. And guess what I succeeded!!!

From being in OOBE my OOB self went to sleep and the room started spinning ( I still didnt know I was OOBE at this point, I thought I was just starting) and I fell out again into an OOBE-Lucid Dream. I could tell this one was a dream because everything was kind of disordered, things were where they shouldnt be, the old dogs bed was still there. Anyway I used the details to gain control and I gained FULL 100% control of movement within the second level dream.


When I say full control I mean perfect, I could walk, turn, jump all perfectly as I wanted to. I believed at this point that I had just regained control of movment within a lucid dream and was well pleased. In fact I came back from OOBE six times during this and each time tried again and got the same results, I was able to control movement and shape the world around me at will. I was even able to interact with the physcial world.

Its gets better though. I woke from the in OOBE and I got up, and lay down afted verifying my facts and realised that many features of the OOBE I had been testing in my own home were wrong, the dogs bed ect. I lay down to check them again, and then I woke up.

This time I woke up normally on my ownside of the bed where I first lay down and realised that BOTH other levels (my awake state and the Lucid Dreams I was controlling) had actually been WITHIN an OOBE that I had without ever moving. The covers were still neatly folder across to my wifes side so I had never moved them or lain there.

Really awesome, have to say when I woke the left side of my forehead felt like it had a nail in it but it passed in a minute or two.

It seems I had full motor control and conscious control TWO LEVELS deep into an experience. Really cool stuff although from the way my head was when I gueninely woke up, im sure my brain was running at its very limits retaining both OOBE+dream states at the same time without me ever being aware of it.

Coolest and newest thing ive had for some time!!!

You cant imagine how much control I had. I mean I was waking up and retesting, I tested all motor function, ranges of movements, I could jump high, control all movements perfectly. In one of the sequences I even created myself a First Person Shooter type experience CONSCIOUSLY and was able to run, dodge and shoot the shotgun, couldnt actually see the shotgun in my hands though oddly enough but I created everything else perfectly AND had full control of movement.

I was so excited when I woke up one level at how much control I had gained. When I lay down and woke up again, then realising this had all be done two levels into an OOBE+Dream I was just seriously impressed.

Anyone ever had something like that?

Ive never had such control. Im serious, I was trying to test the limits of control each time I "woke" and went back in, thats why i created the FPS scenario just to see if I could and it worked perfectly. I was even telling myself it truly was like having a free presonal VR console.

Got to say this left me really excited about the possibilitites, this was altogether a whole new type of experience for me. It was a blended multi level Dream and OOBE something I never realised was possible before. To get that far into my own experience and still have full sentient and logical control and the reasoning to test the theories I first started with was really pretty amazing. To actually gain control two levels in was just mindblowing!!

I should add that the actual state where I could control everything was a high % of Lucid Dream, almost like a hybrid between OOBE and dreaming. It had many dream traits, spontaneous imagery, I visualised the scene but the content was unstable. I visualised a cityscape which I wanted to be old, mayan sort of imagery and there was mayan segments, but it was also tainted with other more modern images, council houses, skyscrapers, like a collage which suggests my mind was dreaming. Its a really strange and to be honest, very cool sort of hybrid though. Another more entertaining aspect of OOBE I hadnt considered, far more interactive.

For example because I was still testing OOBE and wasnt aware I had gone into a whole new kind of dream within it, I was testing interaction trying to move things ect in the house which worked, whats interesting is that the interaction between the second level and the first was correct. I removed a cup and placed it on the study floor and when I woke (not really but what seemed to be me waking) the cup was moved. So in a sense I created a fully interactive sort of inner reality. The more I think about it the more it fascinates me. OOBE into Lucid dream into Lucid OOBE Dream and the end result was a very potent hybrid. The headache I had on waking properly suggests my brain really worked ten to the dozen on the maintanence of this state. Have to say the mind is a truly fascinating thing and im really enjoying my experiments more than ever. I seem to have reached a whole new stage of experimenting with this and while genuine answers remain elusive, there a load of new concepts and questions I hadnt considered before.

Playing FPS is a curious thing to do but given the extreme level of lucid control i had, I really needed to test it beyond basic movement, and also to really test interaction and in the end the results were fun and worth every minute

Im not exactly certain on how I got into this kind of hybrid but its something im going to try to achieve again, whether or not I can im not sure, I hope so though. Also im hoping that what I learned about control and movement in this will apply also to normal OOBE experiences and give me a level of bodily control byond the rudimentary and clumsy form I had before.

[Cleric P]

A fascinating experience, you were fortunate to have such lucidity for so long ! Your experiments were interesting too, I am amazed you didn't fall prey to wanting to fly about or other mad stuff. I once asked out loud in an LD to be taken to Atlantis and after a 'whoosh' I was over an amazing cityscape, alien and familiar at the same time, a bit like your hybrid Mayan thing. It's stunning isn't it what your mind can create, the detail in mine was incredible, but oddly no people ?

One other thing in your post struck me - you say your brain hurt because it was working hard making the LD. So you must think then that the brain and the mind are the same thing (materialist / reductionist), but then you talk about being out of body (idealist), ie. so the brain does not 'contain' the mind. Two opposing views there Anyway, I won't take away from your cool experiment, please let us know more if you get into this state again !

[Greytraveller]

Hi Drift

I just had a long post replying to you experience report completely lost.

So I am going to be concise.
Several people have reported (on internet forums) experiences similar to yours.
Your use of the term 'Hybrid" is very appropriate as it may have been part OBE, part dream/LD and part something else.

If states of consciousness can be conceived of as huge transparent and overlapping spheres....then your experiences may have been the "spheres"/states of consciousness of a)OBE and b)dream and c) something else each overlapping one another.

Grey

[Th13rteen]

A fascinating experience, you were fortunate to have such lucidity for so long ! Your experiments were interesting too, I am amazed you didn't fall prey to wanting to fly about or other mad stuff. I once asked out loud in an LD to be taken to Atlantis and after a 'whoosh' I was over an amazing cityscape, alien and familiar at the same time, a bit like your hybrid Mayan thing. It's stunning isn't it what your mind can create, the detail in mine was incredible, but oddly no people ?

One other thing in your post struck me - you say your brain hurt because it was working hard making the LD. So you must think then that the brain and the mind are the same thing (materialist / reductionist), but then you talk about being out of body (idealist), ie. so the brain does not 'contain' the mind. Two opposing views there Anyway, I won't take away from your cool experiment, please let us know more if you get into this state again !

The brain is only the physical vehicle of that which conveys thought, feeling, and emotion. It is also the physical unit of which that conveys experience and sensations to the astral or light body. As they say in the matrix, the body cannot live without the mind. The brain is dependant on the mind to function but the mind is not dependant on the brain to exist/function. You have all heard of accounts of people being brain dead, there have been accounts to which peoples brains are dead but their bodies are kept alive by machines. No one can exist without the function of the brain, why do yuo think that is? The same can be said with people that DO exist but with physical brain defects. They cannot function in normal every day capacity such as you and I, and this is the reason why. It is because certain parts of the brain needed to have full cognitive awareness to function as you and I on a daily basis and those parts that are hindered so to speak are the areas in which you carry emotion and thought from nonphysical awareness or soul and make them manifest into the physical. Also, think of consciousness as a frequency, and your mind (the non physical brain) and your brain are the radio antenna's or tuners.

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[okaykaykayli]

i`m jealous !! hahaha

[starfire1725]

I loved this post lol...

If you don't try to hard to leave your body it will happen..
Even try bringing yourself out of the pure sleep stage, when you feel yourself about to completely drop off, once you make yourself aware of this, you'll be in such a relaxed state that you'll feel the vibrations and then completely consciously leave your body.

Truly, this does work.

Please post if you do consciously leave your body, I'd love to hear your story.

Once you start you can't stop!

[blackcat]

I have experienced and also heard of some pretty interesting experiences within experiences.  Actually, was just blogging about a sorta similar one last week, except I was getting confused about who I was cuz I was waking up as some other person and then waking up as me.  I have had one a long time ago that was like some kinda really short version of 'Ground hog day' because time kept sorta resetting each time I went back to sleep and I kept experiencing the same thing over and over, except each version was sometimes just a tiny bit different, with some versions more preponderant than others.  (I haven't thought about that in years!  I think I may blog that story next or soon..)  As for the thing where you keep thinking you woke up but you didn't , I don't know the current prefered terminology, but I have always heard that called a 'false awakening' event.
-Eva
My blog of weird experiences:
http://www.realmcrawler.blogspot.com   

[Glacius69]

    That is very interesting. Its amazing when you do that, I have done it a few times. I'f you are familiar with Carlos Casteneda's book, what you did is called dreaming using the "twin position's".


      Basically the sorcerer's that he learned from told him this in one of his books called the art of dreaming. Its an ancient sorcerer's technique. They spent many many genorations learning how to perfect the energy body and came up with many wonderful ways on how to manipulate perception and cognition while in the energy body. In his book the method that is explained basically goes like this.... Oh by the way...The sorcerers that he learns from don't really see a difference between dreaming and OBE or astral projection the way we do. They call everything involved with the second body simply "dreaming".


   The technique goes like this:

Once a sorcerer has gained sufficient control over his/her energy body, they can utilize the twin position technique.  When you are in a dream(astral projection/OBE), what you do is you fall asleep again in the dream(OBE) in the same position you fell asleep in originally. What this does is fixates your assemblage point(sorcerer term for point of awareness) very well, better then normal, thus you get an amazing clarity that you would not normally get in dreaming (OBE).


   Its very interesting. You should read his book "the art of dreaming" to get a better conprehenssion of the technique. Anyways I think its amazing that you discovered it for yourself. I have done it and I know how amazing the clarity is