OK, what's the problem here?

[saberdog]

I start trying to project, and I relax my body.  my mind thinks as much as possible right then.  is there any way around this?

If I can get it to quiet, i try an exit technique, and nothing happens...   am I overdoing something?

example:

I relax lying down (sensing weight and letting the part go numb), then i think about this, that and the other thing.  I try the counting, i try not thinking (which ends up thinking of nothing), i don't seem to focus.  if I can get past that, I feel rocking in a hammock, which leads to seeing it, then i think.  if I feel my bed rising up from the feet, i think about it...

Anything I can try?

thanks

Pierre

[dbmathis]

I start trying to project, and I relax my body.  my mind thinks as much as possible right then.  is there any way around this?

Practice.

if I can get past that, I feel rocking in a hammock, which leads to seeing it, then i think.  if I feel my bed rising up from the feet, i think about it...

I know this sounds odd but don't think about what's happening, just observe it (which is thought). Meaning don't have any thoughts that create a reference point back to physical. That's what I try to do and sometimes I hit and sometimes I miss. It's basically practice and trial and error.

[Psan]

Try focusing on the breath.
Whenever the mind drifts, bring it back to breath gently.

Chanting a mantra also helps. So does counting backwards.

[saberdog]

Thank you... I will try that tonight

[dbmathis]

Actually I have found that if I focus on anything exclusively, I can reach out of body state.

Best Regards

David

[EscapeVelocity]

saberdog,
I agree with dbmathis...practice, practice, practice. You have a lot of 'data collection' to do before things start making sense or can be organised in a workable fashion. We are all slightly different in what works as OBE triggers and positive, observable signposts along the way versus what are, for us individually, dead ends ( no pun necessarily intended ).

Personally, I spent the last twenty plus years experiencing just what you describe, and honestly, getting probably nowhere. That's not to say that possibly tomorrow, you could find a workable exit technique from where you are currently. Again, we're all different.

Everything you describe, I experienced as well...what I came to realise, at least for me, was that I was still not relaxed or deep enough. My conscious mind was still too much in control.

What finally worked was the Wake Back To Bed method (WBTB), where you sleep normally for 3 to 5 hours, wake up for half an hour or so, then attempt a meditation/OBE exercise---your physical body is sufficiently rested that it won't drag your consciousness deep down into sleep but it can easily return to a very relaxed state; your mind being rested but not such that it demands center stage and overpowering the process.

Additionally, there is discussion of the MindAwakeBodyAsleep condition, necessary for projection. I always thought of this as a highly relaxed state which I believed I was achieving in my evening attempts...well I wasn't even close! Early one morning, doing the WBTB method, I relaxed for 20 minutes or so...and then realised someone was snoring...and it was me!! For the first time, I realised my body was comfortably asleep and my mind was still clicking along...what an epiphany! Maybe all my previous meditations had served to get me here, but in retrospect I had never really been close to this! And that's just one springboard to the Great Beyond.

So that's a condition I would suggest aiming for.

Finally, I would suggest spending literally ten or twenty hours researching the archives here on AP. Go back to page 313 on this section and start reading forward anything involving Frank, Adrian, tvos, Ginny, Selski, CFTraveler and other veteran posters and you'll find most of your questions answered, and multiple new questions raised. The information here is invaluable, you just have to invest your time.

Start with the Frank Kepple Phasing Resource

Best of luck and see you out there.

EV

[owl]

Nice post Escape velocity. I now reallize I am probably not relaxed enough. I can recall times that I have been sleeping and heard myself snoring and was aware that I was sleeping but did not have enough clarity of mind to really do anything. Your post gave me something to shoot for, hope it helps saberdog too.

[saberdog]

Yes, thank you for the info... I will look...

[EscapeVelocity]

owl and saberdog,

you're very welcome, I'm happy to share what I know (or at least am pretty certain of  ).

Twenty years ago, I didn't have all these different techniques and bits of theories to work with, therefore I stuck with the plain old 'meditate in the afternoon or evening' technique. What I should have tried was getting up at 2 in the morning, or 3 or 5am; or taking a nap in the middle of a quiet Saturday. Reinforcing my OBE desire by reading, or using affirmations all the while.

At some point, the connection is made, often seemingly by accident...and then we have a couple OBEs. Then if that connection can be steadily reinforced, it becomes more permanent and useable.

owl,

you mentioned 'clarity of mind'. Yes, once you get a taste of your first few OBEs, many people find a tremendous variation in their clarity. Sometimes you're dumb and stumbling, sometimes clueless as to what to do next, othertimes you feel SuperSmart...it seems to vary according to your energy level and your intent.

It is always an adventure!

EV

[The_One]

 
You lot are talking about something I need help with, I made one post but nobodys responded to it so I'll paste it here:-

I've been trying to do conscious projection now for weeks. (I will say I do it before going to bed cause it's the only time I can relax).
I've been doing it with binary beats and with out and I can get to stage 10 ish. I've gone deep and went to sleep and came back out of it, but at no time did I hear any sounds or any vibrations. I still have all my senses (but my legs are tingling and heavey).
Do the vibration and sounds happen deeper then sleep state? I really need advice on this.

I hope some one can shed some light on this.

[EscapeVelocity]

The_One,

Everybody is different to some degree; nobody has an answer as to what will absolutely work for you.

All I can say is to keep trying; the result is worth it!

We all have different situations and triggers that may work for us, so experiment.

You may not get vibrations or sounds; maybe you're more visual.

In my own experience, I may try hard for weeks on end with no results; so I walk away and just drop it for a month; then something unanticipated happens all by itself. Go figure...

Research this site and fill your mind with all the information these people are sharing; it's invaluable and at some point something will resonate with your experience.

Read the books; I have accumulated over thirty on this subject.

Vary your attempts. Try getting up for half an hour in the middle of the night, reading for awhile and then observing yourself fall back to sleep. Monitor your consciousness like you were fishing on a river, with the current (sleep) constantly tugging at your lure (your consciousness), and you gently maintaining its position, giving a little line then slowly reeling it back in, all the while observing what's occurring.

If you get sick, catch a cold or get the flu; this can be a great opportunity, though not the most desired one, while you're in one of those fitful sleeps, your mind is tired and off balance--you might find an exit opportunity.

What you're looking for is that 'accidental moment' where you 'apply your intent' and achieve an OBE. And your mind/subconscious says, in response, "Oh, is that what you were looking for?" And the all important first connection is made.

In my understanding, the vibrations and sounds are not beyond the sleep stage, they are precursors or just before it.

Hope some of this helps

EV

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[The_One]

Thanks for the response m8y, I go into sleep state and then suddenly realise that I'm dreaming and then I suddenly jerk and wake up. I've tryed not to, but it keeps happening. I know this is the area I want to be, so it's just pratice?

[Steele]

sometimes i rise and fall like my body moves perfectly up and down. sometimes i try to just fall other times i stay still it's all hit and miss, if you feel a natural rhythym start to follow it. alot of times your body (or mine at least) hints at what direction to follow. try sitting and relaxing until you feel something. Best Of Luck!

                                                                                Steele