Idea for validation experiment....

[SkepticBoy]

K someone probably has thought of it before but here's an idea for someone to maybe get some evidence of the validation of an OBE.

I've read on how animals seem to react crazy by the presence of ones astral being in the etheral roaming around.
Why doesn't someone, with a pet, film record the pet in a room (you'd have to keep it there for an hour or 2) and then you astral project elsewhere from another room then come and visit the animal in the room in the etheral to try and get some sort of reaction from it. If you document it on camera you'd probably see the animal casually sitting there then suddenly going nuts for seemingly no reason.

Anyone here willing to try this and document it? and pls try and give a definitive YES or NO. ty.

[Stookie]

Check this:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_experiences/bad_bad_leroy_brown-t20730.0.html

[iNNERvOYAGER]

Years ago I helped my daughter with a school science project about hamster nutrition.

We fed the hamster regular feed pellets, and supplemented with dried alfalfa grass.

To test the benefits of the alfalfa, we attached a bicycle odometer to the hamster wheel and took readings for a couple weeks with and without alfalfa.

We found that the hamster turned the wheel a significantly greater distance when it had the alfalfa supplement.

You can try the same method by using the hamster as an AP entity detector by measuring hamster activity and the time to validate the presence of an AP visitor.

Be sure to note  that no hamsters were harmed in the course of the validation experiment.

[SkepticBoy]

Well is anyone going to do this or?!?

[Stookie]

So if I post a video of a dog suddenly barking for no reason, you'll believe in OBE's?

[Lighten]

Hahaha!

[Astral316]

So if I post a video of a dog suddenly barking for no reason, you'll believe in OBE's?

I think you stole his eventual counter-argument.

Listen, real evidence of OBEs or any other mysterious phenomena brought to the table can and will be discredited by nonbelievers. Reality accomodates perception rather efficiently. Here's an idea for a validation experiment... put the time and effort into finding out for yourself.

This may be just my own opinion but I don't think you can even OBE in the RTZ as we know it... as in present spacetime. The best you can do, again in my own opinion, is enter the passed/future RTZ or a close parallel/alternate outcome-type dimension. Think of a tv cable box with a bunch of channels. It's like our brain is tuned to a certain channel and we are living in a stable OBE. It wouldn't make sense that we could access the same channel when shifting consciousness. If we're tuned into channel A, and decide to change channels, how the hell can we while expecting channel A to be the destination? It seems paradoxical to me.

[spark]

Hi.  To date, after 20 years of OBEing, thousands of OBEs of all types, I have never been 100% successful to get a clear validation.  But, I have had very many really close and intriguing semi-validations.  Statistically, they probably weigh in as validations.  But, I am still hunting for the golden gem.  I have a friend that is another frequent OBEr, he actually logs on here from time to time under TVOS.  I think he moderates this site too.  Anyway, he did an experiment videoing his dogs.  I dont recall exactly, but the dog(s) did look around.  Seemed interesting.  Personally, I think folks need to stop making so many presumptions about what is or is not happening or what can or cannot happen.  As an FYI, I have found that validating names of things can be difficult.  For example, if you see a person that is perhaps deceased, then you have them tell you their name.  I find it very hard to hear the names clearly.  I think it "might" relate something to that what we "hear" is kind of an interpretation of a thought.  Actions or subject identifiers are easier to interpret.  But, a name is just a name.  So, interpretation might be off.  Anyway, I think there is a degree of muddyness that is created by a variety of factors... e.g., I think to really validate, if it is really possible, one might need to have an extreme amount of mental control (i.e., control not to be controlling, to request and to perceive accurately).  I think this also requires folks to realize what is really being perceived.  Else, one tends to run amoke in the OBE land ... Anyway, I have not read too much about what others write.  I recall reading some of Monroe's stuff long ago, and I still recall how he seemed to be a bit presumptive that what he saw was what he saw.  And, I read Castenada's books, but I think he was really smart and went over the edge to make some bucks (i.e., I would estimate that he made up the whole Don Juan thing as a means to have folks believe his tails ...).  Much of what he writes is really close and helpful.  Some, I think made him rich.  But, i don't really know.  Perhaps, it is all true.  If so, next year, I expect to be able to fly to eternity and back ... When I do, I will take videos, and address it all to the world.  Then, we can all turn into mainstream folks, and everyone will OBE at school just after lunch.  Anyway, I am being sarcastic.  I tend to think that if such wonders were really so attainable, the world would be a different place.  I think that validations at 100% might be hard to do ... Anyway, of course, lots of theories point the other way too.  And, of course, folks that can achieve miracles, likely are so grand and wise that they choose to hide in their garages and eat twigs over presenting themselves to the mortals of the world.
See you,
Spark

[Stookie]

I agree. Why spend time trying to validate the experience instead of just experiencing and learning from it. The validations tend to come on their own. My experiences have been very personal, and I have no need whatsoever to convince anyone of how it impacts my life. Though I do feel the need to help others experience it for themselves.

[SkepticBoy]

Hi.  To date, after 20 years of OBEing, thousands of OBEs of all types, I have never been 100% successful to get a clear validation.  But, I have had very many really close and intriguing semi-validations.  Statistically, they probably weigh in as validations. 

K 20 years of OBE's and never out of an entire 20 years of OBE have you been able to properly validate ANYTHING? I would had thought after 20 years you would have had just 1 I mean come on 20 years is a hell of a long time!!!

Also please what would define as a semi validation. Please give an example of this and your closest validation please.

[spark]

Hmm ... semi validations would include, e.g.,
1. Recently, I have been trying to contact my son from the OBE state.  Afterwards, I would say to my son "Did you have any dreams this morning?"  And, he would recant a dream very similar to what I did.  For example, in one OBE, I crawled over him in the bed.  He racanted that he dreamed that our dog crawled on top of him.  (We do look alike, of course.   In another, I went to him and reached down to him in the OBE.  The scene was very white and kind of near the vibrational state.  In that, he said that he dreamed that we were both in whiteness and I was above him.  He said in his dream he said, "there you are, lets go."  Anyway, personally, I think that the language we use in dreams is more accurately concepts that are kind of translated by ourselves.  But, those things are pretty interesting.  Oh yes, I did once contact my wife as a child, and I asked her to tell me a fact, and she said that she was happy that her parents allowed her to skip swimming at the school's indoor pool.  Anyway, I did not know that her school had an indoor pool.  I think that is unusual.  Anyway, there are a lot more.  I think the totality tends to push towards validity.  Actually, I also have a client that has a lamp that supposedly in alterable by one's mind -- see www.psyleron.com.  I have found that in the pre-obe state, the lamp changes very frequently to what I desire.  I have had some experiences changing the lamp correctly about 10 times in a row.  The chances are very low for that to happen.  Although that is a pre-obe state, I think it is all rather similar.  And, actually, i think that the method of making mental requests is similar too.  Anyway, sorry to rant, there are a lot more examples.  I generally have never taken notes, etc., of these experiences.  recently, i started to a bit.  but, i am more into improving technique than recording things. 
also, as an fyi, i tend to get into rythms, such as, e.g., spending months mostly trying to validate something, spending months going down tunnels, spending months talking to dead folks, spending months trying to see my body and go thru the roof to the sky, etc.  recently, i have been focusing on trying to heal my son (who has some health issues).  i have had all sorts of conversations with entities about him ... and, have tried to heal him in the OBE state -- actually, that was one of the co-obe's i mentioend above, etc.
Okay, I better go to sleep... else, I wont obe tomorrow...