Over passing fear

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So I've been off and on with OBE the past few years, most of the time I stop trying because of something that freaks me out. Ever since I can remember I have seen spirits but when I was 15 (20 now) I went to a church with my mom and they told me to pray for it to stop and it did. The thing is, when I start getting vibrations and can feel myself coming close to leaving my body something really weird happens.

For example my last time, I was laying on my couch and dosed off I was suddenly awoken to very strong vibrations (this would happen maybe 3 times a month) and was thinking "well lets give this a shot" but only a few seconds into the vibrations I felt a presence kind of kneeling next to me. Dont ask how i know that she was kneeling i just know for some reason almost like i could see her but with my eyes closed  . Well this presence was saying my name in my ear "Chris, Chris, Chris" just over and over. The more I heard it the more intense my vibrations would get. I ended up thinking "f this" and forced myself out of it that took over a minute to do.

I know that you cant be hurt, but i would really love for once to be able to do this without being bothered by a presence. I have had one oobe where I left my body without anyone "bugging" me. Is there something I could do to maybe get over this fear, what helped you guys? I almost want to just go for it and maybe confront my demands per say. Just hard to get over my fear

[sminson]

Is it the observer at the threshold, hypnagogic imagery, or an actual spirit?

Work on building trust with the creative power of the universe.  If you trust it to take care of you, regardless of what you see or hear when you're trying to project, you won't be afraid.  At the same time, if you're not afraid to begin with things that would be potentially frightening don't tend to happen - whether that's due to your perception is a valid question.

Work on building this trust when you're not trying to project, IMO.  The creative power has endowed you with all the strength and power you need for every experience you may have, but it doesn't hurt to kind of let loosen up on the reins now and again.  You may find you have more control with a looser grip, and only pull tight when you want to change direction - just like riding a horse.

[ancient_one]

In the beginning, I was tormented by something I had felt the presence of, but not seen fully yet.  got fed up with this, and confronted it. It turned out that this thing that had been my tormentor was actually trying to get my attention to help me.  The way I dealt with this entity tormenting me was to confront it-

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I was actually home alone, thats why it freaked me out a little bit. The ony thing that weirded me the most is the fact that this "voice" knew my name. Part of me regrets not trying to communicate back but all i need to do is project and have someone in my house chilling there next to me. Ancient_one after reading that it really makes me wonder what/who was calling my name and I wonder if this presence has been the one "Bothering" me the whole time. I've had a lot of experiences and It always sounds the same as far as the voice i heard. One time I just hear this woman breathing very heavily next to my ear, almost like she went and ran 3 miles and stopped by my house to breath in my ear haha. I think I'm going to just go for it, I'm sure whatever happens to me cant be worse then what has already happened in my life time.

[spark]

Hi.  It is funny.  I signed onto the site trying to locate some other very advanced OBErs.  I am finding, however, questions like this kind of refreshing to me.  Anyway, I am not one that completely buys in to everything.  I maintain doubt all the time ... despite having all of the various experiences with entities, etc.

Anyway, i have found that good entities tend to stay out of view.  i think it is because they are being very respectful.  If they were to present themselves to you, you would perhaps jump in fear.  I have also found that it helps to absorb in feeligns of love and bliss.  I think that is kind of a way to be empowered.  I have come to think that love is actually really more like acceptance.  And, that this acceptance is really like riding on the harmonic frequency of the world around you. 

Anyway, you could try asking them who they are, etc.  But, to be honest, if you are talkign to someone, I dont think you probably have too much time to adjust positions, etc.  If your conversation lasts more than a minute, I think you may risk falling asleep and not remembering well later, if at all.  I have had many hundreds of OBEs like this where I have focused on non-sense, rather than just to listen to what the entity had to say.  Perhaps, you should just relax, feel love, and say.  I am listening.  Anyway, another key point is not to force things.  If you do, you will probably awaken.  That is actually how I learned to abort dreams when I was freaked out.  By forcing everything very abruptly.

Anyway, sorry for the banter.  Good luck.

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Thanks for the reply, to tell you the truth I really dont know how to take your comment (if you believe me or not) lol. I'm really not sure why I let fear over take me like that, It may be because I really dont want any extra stress on my life. A couple nights ago I believe i had an OBE with out even relizing it. I remember looking at my room and it being full of trash, like i had clothes piled up and i thought at the time "I dont remember my room being so messy" and dont remember anything after that point. I woke up and looked at my room being clean and was thinking "wtf". It may have been a dream, but it seemed so real it felt like i just sat up in the middle of the night and saw my room. It felt like past obe that ive had only i had no idea that I was having obe.

[jub jub]

If it were me, I would confront it, plain and simple. Ask it what it wants and tell it you'll get back to them after having time to think about it and then go about your OBE.

You have to overcome the fear. Negative entities feed on it.

[spark]

Hi Chris:  I not only believe you, but I have experienced exactly what you are saying many many times.  For me, I used to OBE a lot in the 1980's.  I am 45 now.  I then had so many encounters with negative entities (or what I perceived them as) that I really had OBEs more rarely, like once every 2 months, for many years.  Then, I decided to figure out how to deal with fears.  I found that the answer is, yes it really is, love.  If you have feelings of love, it really empowers you.  Anyway, as for folks that say to "face it," I think they are wrong.  I have done that many times and actually kind of said f-you to entities and fought them.  But, I always awoke very drained.  I find that the best thing is to maintain some level of caution, but to replace fear with love of the universe.  If something feels off, think about feeling love, and not forcing things, and even think ... good bye with a smile, and mentally decide (i.e., request to go elsewhere).  That world is all thought (sort of).  So, you change things in a blink of an eye... by requests.  But, just because you request something does not mean it will exactly happen.  You may be surprised what you see.  And, dont force outcomes.  Anyway, I still have fear.  I know 2 other OBErs that have thousands of experiences, like me.  And, we all exercise caution.  No need to be riddled with fear.  But, no need to force yourself to be an idiot and face the unknown with open arms.  But, always having faith and love is how to overcome it.  Anyway, I still tend to get negative images, etc., negative entities at times, and I tend to smile and go away.  Sometimes, I can end up aborting and awakening.  But, mostly, I try to relax.  Anyway, I also find it a bit difficult to identify good entities verses bad entities sometimes.  Bad entities always seem to keep encroaching on your space.  A good entity seems to stand away and not encroach.  Anyway, I also think it is important to keep a skeptical view of everything.  Are they really entities?  Who knows.  Perhaps, we are just multilevel beings.  Perhaps, OBE-state is just an easy place to see that.  We forget that we dont decide our words as we type, or where to place our feet when we walk.  But, in the real world we are wrapped up with all this sensory input.  But, in OBE-land we can see this separation more clearly.  Anyway, whether we are multi-level, or there are other entities, etc., sort of may not even have much difference in meaning anyway.  And, I think our minds are perhaps not so geared to even understanding that.  Anyway, overcoming fear is a long term exercise.  I envision that there are likely folks that OBE and dont have fear.  But, I also envision that they are sort of beginners.  Perhaps, not trying new things -- always trying to fly to the stars or something.  there are various points that bring on fear and caution, such as, e.g., following entities into tunnels, etc.  Anyway, I also find that there are more creepies at the onset to an OBE ... kind of at the threshold.  So, if you get by that, you tend to have less trouble once inside.  But, keep feelings of love and embrace the vibrations.  Some folks say to raise the vibrations when something scares you or to go to higher vibration levels.  I think that is kind of the same thing.  To do that, you embrace in feelings of love and kind of relax and ride the vibrational wave.  Anyway, there you go...
good luck.
SPark   

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Thanks for your reply, it really makes alot of since when you put it out there like that. I took what you said and today (about 15 minutes ago) I had two OBE. My first one I just kinda floated there looking around and wanted to see myself laying there and when I did that i just stared for like 20 seconds and all of a sudden I was back in my body with the vibrations still going strong. The second time I asked for assistance not really knowing if someone would be there, I felt myself sort of ripped out really fast and backwards. It felt really weird and I felt almost dazed after that, I saw a man in my Family Room next to my dog (that just passed away). I just stared at him for a little bit and tried to speak to him "who are you" I tried to say but I couldn't speak, it almost felt like my mouth was forced shut. After that he looks at my dog and looks at me and smiles and gives me thumbs up. After that I went back to my body and jumped up right after so that I would remember. This may sound weird but when I got up I felt happy, I feel different. I've had many OBE but none where I tried to communicate. I may not have had a convo with this man but I felt peace with this man. Thanks for your help, It really made me step up my game you could say lol. I'm actaully going to post this experince because I have some questions about it

[spark]

Hi.  Actually, it really made me feel good to help you.  I have gone thru much without guidance.  Anyway, your experiences are similar to some I have had.  I can give you some other thoughts and ideas to try.  For me, I have tried various things.  I cannot express though the great importance of a) embracing in love, b) not forcing things, and c) not being an idiot though (i.e., not going against your gut feeling if something feels off -- to some extent, this is kind of a b) though in that one would kind of be forcing the goodness so to speak.  Anyway, after nice OBEs, there is usually a great feeling warmth and relaxation.  That is nice.  Anyway, here's one thing to try.  When you get to the OBE, relax, embrace the feelings of love, dont worry about if you see anything or not.  And, request to see a tunnel to somewhere beautiful.  You might be surprised to see a tunnel appear before you.  Or, you might just get wisked away right off the bat.  Anyway, going down tunnels is a nice feeling.  But, sometimes, it is extremely scary.   I have had some that were very dark and long ... and, i felt the presence of someone that did not speak.  I had that happen a lot for a while.  But, I started to request tunnels that were not dark.  And, that seemed to work.  Anyway, as your experiences match those of others, you will likely start to bye in to the whole story ... i.e., we leave our bodies, we see dead people, we can remotely view things, etc.  But, i think it might be a bit more complicated that that... or, maybe simpler too.  So, remain the skeptic, but not a closed minded skeptic.  Anyway, take care...
Spark

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Thanks again for all your help, I've always been a open minded kind of guy when it comes to this sort of stuff. For now on I'm just going to take these OBE as they come and not force them away like I've done in the past. From what I gather if this is real or fake (our minds playing tricks on us) either way these experinces have brought alot of people together and it gives alot of people "more meaning" to life you could say. I'm happy with this either way and will continue with this, now knowing that these "people" arent all out to get you.