Is this an obe?help please!

[Fourthdimension]

hey every one i want to share an experience that happens alot.I am not sure wether this is an astral projection/obe or something else.

I usally start by only eating one portion of meat a day and then eat light meals.I have no protein after 1800 and then go for a run and light exercise and stretching aswell as yoga and a shower. then i sleep for 2 hours then awaken and do some energy work and meditation.

here's a page from last nights diary.

Date:19.05.09 Day:Wednesday time went to sleep: 2300hrs Time awoken 0100hrs

I started by using a method simillar to <a href="http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/steel_hawks_hidden_technique-t29534.0.html;msg240495#msg240495>Steel hawks technique</a> followed by deep relaxation and deeper relaxation and some mobile body awareness and tactile imaging and stimulating energy body.

I felt feet a tingling sensation in my feet and the vibrations where in my head.(you cant move the vibrations in your head around unlike the ones you can in your body.but you can increase or decrease the vibrations and will them at any time without any other work been needed. and no i dont have that ringing illness lol. anyways i then decided i would roll over and go to sleep but it was impossible to go to sleep when i tryed it just felt like going back into mediation.

this is when the vibrations grew stronger and then the feeling of "pop" came and then i knew i was presumably out of my body.i opened my eyes and found my self in a diffrent location.i found my self in a bedroom simillar to my old room which in now not in exsistance as things have been moved and new occupants inhabit it lol.  i had a tall bed and a narrow entrance into my room.For some reason i wanted to go and see my mam and dad and fly into there room but of course they no longer sleep in the room i tryed to get in.me and my mam have problems with getting along though so i dont know why i wanted to see her i would of rather go some where more exciting.
anyways i could nt go and see my mam because i was been sponatanously dragged around which felt as if a person was dragging me around and was far more superior in strength and will then my own.
As a grounding exercise i opened my physical eyes and looked at my blue picture of a pier on the wall and then closed my eyes and tryed projecting again. this time i opened my eyes and there was what looked like a replica or a christmas decoration of a sleigh like santas lmao. but it was really dark so objects were hard to identify. and there was a door next to it. this could have been nothing in my house nor anywhere i had visited.i was been dragged again and i shouted and screamed and with all my will demanded for them to stop dragging me cause there was so much i wanted to do but i couldnt cause i had no control. but nevertheless the person continued dragging me around.
so i opened my physical eyes and looked at my picture as a grounding technique and then tryed to project again. this time i ended up in the same place as before but i heard a cry "help me". and i became frightened. i shouted at the person to stop dragging me and tryed to claw my way to the sledge and feel the texture of stuff along the way.with success i felt the textures but never reached the sleigh.i then was dragged again so i got really annoyed and imagined all my energy gathered together as a ball and the ball exploding sending my energy and consiousness far and wide in an attempt to evade the person dragging me.
all i could see was black and diffrent colours almost like the neural discharges our brains give off when we close our eyes and it felt amazing it felt like total relaxation like all there was was here and now and nothing else mattered. i then focused on bring all my energy together again this time though right on top of the sleigh all i could see was blackness so i tryed to feel texture and myself hit off of the sleigh.
i just about reached the sleigh but was then dragged again. and hit something hard this time i was ina diffrent room with a wide screen tv and a big wall picture.i know a simillar setting which was my room but at a much minature scale and dont think it could have been my room.
i began to become very frightened and worried incase i cant get back to my physical i kept trying but it wasnt working so i imagined my eyes open and i was back in the physical.
my room seemed more bright even in the door and i could see every thing in more detail as if looking through a microscope and the was feint lights but this soon faded.
i realise that the picture i was grounding on could not have been the same one as that was behind me but i have a simillar picture in the direction i was looking. i felt the person who was dragging me meant no harm but had hatred in him or mabye that was my own. and i felt a prescense in the room with the slegh that scared me. also all the above was a human setting but did not feel human lmao

[Fourthdimension]

please can someone try to explain my experience and let me know wether it was a projection.

[CFTraveler]

Yes, it was a projection.  What part of it confuses you?

[Fourthdimension]

it confuses me becuase i had no control on what to do and eneded up in random settings
and why was i been dragged around like a rag doll lol.

thanks for your help

p.s what happened to me when i imagined my energy exploding and scattering far and wide it fekt amazing

[Fourthdimension]

also i forgot to add that during these experiences.i feel as if am a conciousness and can see no part of my astral body.

[CFTraveler]

it confuses me becuase i had no control on what to do and eneded up in random settings

Sometimes projections are like that, when you have a lot of energy.  Other than that, I think you were phasing into lots of environments, third eye projections.

and why was i been dragged around like a rag doll lol.

Sometimes an aspect of yourself does it, sometimes you get caught in 'Astral Wind', a known phenomenon but not clearly explained, in which you get sent to places that will be significant to you in some way. 
I think it was a series of third eye projections, in which you don't have an etheric body, it's more abstract, so you wouldn't perceive an astral body.

p.s what happened to me when i imagined my energy exploding and scattering far and wide it fekt amazing

This is a characteristic of third eye projection.
Another reason for the lack of control could be your lower chakras are underdeveloped, while your higher chakras are more developed.  I'd recommend energy work for your tertiary, secondary and lower chakras, and lots of grounding.
Tertiary work (especially brushing) may help with the 'dragged along' feeling, but I'd suggest meditation to try to find out if your Higher Self is trying to show something specific to you.
Cheers.

[Fourthdimension]

thanx again for the help
i m gonna research all this up
in the mean time if you have the time could you explain to me what astral wind is and third eye projections and how they differ from normal projections
also what is "phasing in to lots of diffrent enviroments"

these projections also are hit and miss like the last one i had except this on was a few month back even though i try often but this happneed after lots of energy work
and your right about my charkas cause when i first started i only new about the kundalini

thanx again

[EscapeVelocity]

Thanks for the info CFTraveler,

I have to ask too, can you expand on the idea of 'third eye projections'?

[CFTraveler]

Well, I personally have found that I have 'types' of projections- sometimes they are very 'material' where there are heavy symptoms, I separate from my body and have a feeling of having a body and going through space and things.  Almost physical.  These (etheric/RTZ) projections are theoretically linked or mediated (or whatever you want to call them) with the base chakra, the one that is all about survival in the physical.
I have also found that I have a second type of projection, that happens with different symptoms- usually energetic activity around my heart chakra, there is usually visible energy around me (like vortexes of energy) usually around the heart chakra (which is what makes me think it's generated by the heart chakra itself, or at least facilitated by it) and those have a different flavor to them- they feel stronger, there is speed and power (like I'm spit out of my body like a cannon) and they give me the most colorful projections- When I started projecting I used to get a lot of these, now not so much.  I call these heart chakra projections, for obvious reasons, mainly where I feel the energy before launch.  They are also noisy on the exit, like earth chakra projections.  Just more fantastic, although not necessarily "higher".
Then there are the third eye projections.  I get these more now, and the way I categorize them is that there is usually a lot of clairvoyance associated with them- I will have lots of visions that I can sometimes control before and after the projection, they are the more abstract- after an exit I don't feel an energy body, I'm just a point of view in a scene, and there are visual symptoms when I get these- feeling on my brow or crown area (sometimes a lot of feeling in the crown, as if someone were tap dancing on my head or bouncing a ball, sometimes as if a  vacuum cleaner was connected to my forehead, sometimes just a vortex forming right in front of my eyes.  There is a lot of airiness to them, they are light and floaty, and when I have those I can come back to body and exit repeatedly- those are the ones I can do three or four (like the OP) times in one sitting.

4D, there are many topics on phasing on this site, I'd recommend you take a look at the Permanent Topics, I'm sure you'll find some.
I'll see if I can find a link on Astral Wind- like I said before, the phenomenon is not unheard of, the explanations are few, but they don't satisfy me- though I have no idea of what it is really.  Only that I used to experience it a lot.  Here is a link to a description: http://www.astraldynamics.com/library/astral-dynamics/glossary.html

[Fourthdimension]

thanx again for the help cft traveller

can you control which obe you want heart,base or crown?

now that i am projecting it is in a random nature with no sense of control.the only factors that are always present is my energy work before hand and when i realise nothing is happening i roll over and sleep and then it happens. so basiacally what am asking is, is there away i can induce astral projections at will and be guranteed and exit?

and you said that the projections i am now having is crown and associated with clairvoyancey so is there away to develop my clairvoyancy whilst this is taking place?

i can call upon that noise like vibrations in my head at will but only sometimes can i turn them up to the maximum and feel the point of exit.
there is also the common warmth that you get with energy work even when your hands are physically cold.
and there is one more thing that i havent seen noted any where and that is. when i do energy work my limbs feel as if (i dont know how to say) i suppose like theres insects or something under your skin trying to escape through your skin.
i thought mabye that was my astral double becoming less attached to my physical and slightly moving but am not sure.

what is the next step i shud take to become better at this?

thanks for the help and am sorry for asking lots of questions lol

[CFTraveler]

thanx again for the help cft traveller

can you control which obe you want heart,base or crown?

I've never really tried, but I'd guess that the combination of energy work and intention (using affirmations) could be helpful in that regard.  Some other projectors find that the position they assume makes a difference, but it doesn't for me, so that's the best I can do for an answer.

now that i am projecting it is in a random nature with no sense of control.the only factors that are always present is my energy work before hand and when i realise nothing is happening i roll over and sleep and then it happens. so basiacally what am asking is, is there away i can induce astral projections at will and be guranteed and exit?

There are techniques, but nothing can ever be guaranteed 100%.  The best I can do is direct you to the techniques section and show you mine- it may be what you need but it may not- everyone is different and there are many types of techniques.

and you said that the projections i am now having is crown and associated with clairvoyancey so is there away to develop my clairvoyancy whilst this is taking place?

Yes, but the techs can be more than what you want to do for now, if you're looking for stability and grounding.

i can call upon that noise like vibrations in my head at will but only sometimes can i turn them up to the maximum and feel the point of exit.
there is also the common warmth that you get with energy work even when your hands are physically cold.
and there is one more thing that i havent seen noted any where and that is. when i do energy work my limbs feel as if (i dont know how to say) i suppose like theres insects or something under your skin trying to escape through your skin.
i thought mabye that was my astral double becoming less attached to my physical and slightly moving but am not sure.

Not necessarily- the astral noise is an indication of impending exit, but the tactile sensations you describe may or may not be- sometimes they're just a side effect of blocks being cleared and new flow happening.  The more energy work you do the less strong the sensations will get, as blocks become cleared and energy flows more freely.

what is the next step i shud take to become better at this?

I'm not sure, as I don't really know what you do at the moment to project.

thanks for the help and am sorry for asking lots of questions lol

No problem.  If I find links I'll insert them into the text.

[vladjackguy]

Wow thanks Fourthdimension for sharing and CFTraveler for explaining.

That answered a lot of my questions.More than 50% of my projections were third eye projection.

The "things" that appear in front of your eyes(which the first time i thought they appeared because i got trough the door), and the clairvoyance thing:in the same projection(after i got through that door) I saw my entrance door and someone near it,there was something odd about it but i couldn't guess what.Next day when i get home my door key got blocked in and I needed to cut the door off so i can enter the house.........

Thanks again guys

[Fourthdimension]

thanx again cft and no problem vlad

i m not gonna ask to many questions in this reply becuase i ve been asking you alot and i appriciate your help.

well usally i use to try and get deeply relaxed using monroes countdown method and resonant tuning and other techniques that are present within the gateway series.

lately i have abandoned the hemi sync tapes because i dont think i am ready to go on to set 3 "freedom".
instead i have donwloaded books on astral projection and have been taking tips out of them but at the minute it is usally about my lifestyle in genral such as the way i eat and the exercise i do.

but i have lately began reading NEW and realise that before when i was developing my charkas i was doing it all wrong and so i have started from scratch and followed the new program and it is really a great help
when i have my charkas and energy body properly established i want to work on my projection techniques and wheni feel as if i have made some progress i intend to finish the gate way series by monroe.

symptons i use to get was like pulsating going up my legs but now i dont but the warmth associated with energy work and light buzzing has always been a sympton and has never went away within the 5 years i have been trying.

i feel now though as if i am getting closer to achieving a succeful obe but i am really after the ones where i can travel to places with my astral body but i think that will come in time.

do you think my plan of action is okay cft or would you recommend or disapprove of some of it?

and i use to get really bad astral wind i use to be going in circles around the corner of my room but i was talking to some one whilst doing it and felt scared as if they were doing it to me but now i know its not.
i think next time i project becuase i know its astral wind i will just acknowledge the fact that its there and ask for help but stay calm and mabye it will work.
monroe use to do a simillar technique with the sex drive cause he use to get really intense sexually urges so he just use to aknowledge it and tell it he will have sex when he is in his physical and that is what i will do with my astral wind i ll just say i know your there but can you just leave me and whatever you want we will sort out later.

apart from that the only question i have is about phasing.i understand it to be the projecting of my consesness into another place. would you say that is right cft.

thank again for the help and take care

[CFTraveler]

i feel now though as if i am getting closer to achieving a succeful obe but i am really after the ones where i can travel to places with my astral body but i think that will come in time.

It will- the more you project the more you will get to explore, and the direct astral phasing will come more naturally, to the point that sometimes an RTZ projection may be harder.  At least it was that way for me- I used to OBE to the RTZ for years, and ocassionally would go through a vortex and end up in the astral.  Now I just phase to an astral environment, and sometimes I have to put effort into it to go into the RTZ.  So it's a matter of practice.  Flex those astral muscles.  Or something.   

apart from that the only question i have is about phasing.i understand it to be the projecting of my consesness into another place. would you say that is right cft.

I would describe it in a different way (more congruent with my understanding of reality and worldview):  I believe we are already occupying all levels of physical reality and nonphysical reality- we have a physical body to interact with the perceptile spectrum of reality, we also have sensing apparatus (aka energy body or astral body or whatever you want to call it) that is always occupying (or immersed in) the less physical more subtle aspects of reality- the Hindus say that we have several desire bodies (that is, I desired to incarnate on earth, so I have these perceptile mechanisms we call bodies)- I think of it as the idea that we exist in all levels of existence, and can perceive every possible level.  When we project our consciousness what we are doing is attuning ourselves to that part of us that is interacting with it's environment, and this interaction is done in such a way that is compatible with that enviromnent.  (This is a fancy way to say we're omnipresent, but some people don't want to hear that)- so that we project or 'tune into' a part of ourselves that is already there.
So it's really the same thing said differently.

thank again for the help and take care

You're welcome, and ditto.

[Fourthdimension]

i don think i have any more questions lol thanks for your help
i know what you mean about omnipresent and its a good theory.i think that when we think in thought we are interacting with the part of our self on another plane and that is where we get ideas from