nourished by raw energy

[Fourthdimension]

hi
awhile (few years back)  ago i was whatching gmtv (british morning television) i rember seeing this man who was chinese or budishst or someother eastern religion and he claimed that he had not eaten physical food or drank water for years and that he lived off of pure raw energy.
he descibed it as if he was eating something which was of the astral plane but i think he meant he was taking in lots of raw energy

well sense we only eat to mix to create a chemical reaction in order to form an out burst of energy
and since enrgy is the product that we are afer and the reason for eating does that not also mean that by bypassing the eating and taken in raw energy by some method you can still sustain life

so in theory what the eastern man done should work?

also in a more radical and theoretical view that also mean that breathing air is an unessary task if enery is taken in raw as this is just another method to create the finally out come energy

i know this is all stupid and we cant live without air but am only enquiring about the theory as it interest me

so say that theory is true then we need to ask our selfs. since our body takes energy via our charkas no matter what then why do we need to eat to create energy when we have it directly though our charkas?
what sort of energy is our food providing that our charkas and energy body cannot?

and ultimatley that every thing here comes from a higher level of exsistence or vibration and so bygetting it directly from the higher vibrations can we by pass the physical tasks?

oh well just a thought

share your thoughts please

[zareste]

There are people who can live without food and water - we know that, so the next step is figuring out how.

Nothing in mainstream understanding of biology covers this, so it seems there are holes in our understanding. There must be something we missed. I can't imagine how cells can live on plasma alone, but maybe there's a part of our body that can convert plasma into material usable by cells. That much is possible. Perhaps it's an organ that has gone dormant like the pineal or appendix.

It's like how humans are naturally telepathic - and that would seem like an evolutionary step forward - but quirks in our behavior have blocked that area of the mind. Maybe we've been degrading to the point that we feel a need to eat plants and animals.

Well that's what I think. Earth's energy streams are so messed up it's a wonder someone could live on them.

[no_leaf_clover]

I have read many similar things.  I remember one study was even conducted on a man who didn't eat or drink anything for a few days, maybe a week, and he was monitored in a hospital.  They noticed his bladder filled with fluid, and then the fluid re-absorbed into the cell walls and was redistributed throughout his body, and they had never seen anything like it.

Our bodies are extremely powerful, and what's more, it has its own intelligence.  The healthier we keep it, the better quality food we eat, and the more we meditate on our energy centers and focus on drawing energy into us, I'm sure this is a very real possibility.

[interception]

We are carbon based bags of water that basically burn sugars/proteins with oxygen for energy. Now, there are many types of energy, our body uses chemical and heat energy to run itself yes? So one has to be clear on what this "raw" energy is exactly. Spirit energy? How will your physical body run on exotic spiritual energies? It cant. Not directly anyway.

Unless there is some secret organ in the body that can sustainably convert other forms of energy into the kind of energy that our physical body can use, I don't see how this can be done.

Some sort of exotic conversion process must take place at some point. The design of the body might have to be radically altered. Even if it can be done, there will invariably be side effects.

Not saying it is not possible, we have much to learn still. It just seems unlikely given the way metabolic processes have been designed to work.

[Fourthdimension]

yh mabye some dormant organ that is a good idea but if we cant change how our blood flows through our system or the way our nervous system is rooted.how can we even think about making an organ dormant.
i suppose that when man consiously decided to eat food the organ must have shut down with evolution
for example when people take anaboliuc steriods the testicles stop producing testostorone becuase we are supply enough thru the dosage of steroids mabye thats how it worked with our organ that fed our cells with energy.

but animals eat as a primitive instinct so why would eating be a primary instinct if they were already getting energy though the energy body?
mabye animals have diffrent energy systems?
mabye its just greed or that they are not developed enough to make those sort of choices?
on one hand you can say that animals where not developed enough to make that choice and on the other you can say that man was too developed in that he could make a consiouse choice which led to greed and inevitably the dormant organ?

i written this before interceptin posted his reply so i m gonna add something here.
i agree with what you are saying interception but you say the body would have to radically change.
our bodys werent desighned first then energy body fitted first we could have just as well been an energy body in the womb and our bodys could develop around the energy body and becuase of it.
in which case our energy bodys determine the growth of our body.but say we all ready could change that energy into useable enrgy by the body but an organ has gone dormant that makes it impossible then why would our bodys have to change when the  system is all ready in place and not used.

[Fourthdimension]

i just felt like rambling rubbish above lol sorry

[interception]

I'm not denying there are links between our physical body and other "finer" bodies.

My point is, our physical body have been designed to work in a certain way and utilize energy in a certain way. It can't use "raw" energy.

I think the critical question here is: How do you convert other forms of energy for use by your physical body?

Does our chakra system have that sort of conversion ability? If it does, the process is known to a very select few indeed.

I do feel energized when I do the "NEW" energy raising exercises for example, but it definitely does not have the metabolic nourishing effect on my physical body in the same way that say a fresh banana omelet has. Maybe I am doing something wrong, I don't know. 

[CFTraveler]

Hi interception.  I am going to come in with something that may sound controversial, so I'll start with 'this is my opinion' and take it that way everyone, please.

I'm not denying there are links between our physical body and other "finer" bodies.

My point is, our physical body have been designed to work in a certain way and utilize energy in a certain way. It can't use "raw" energy.

I think we're missing some point- energy is the capacity to do work.  There are no different types of energy, the names just indicate what we have done with it.  You are right (IMO) that the physical body is made to work by taking in chemicals (proteins, sugars, and fats) and turning it into calories, which it burns to fuel all it's processes.  So the physical body uses the energy (capacity to do work) that is stored in food and turns it into pure energy by boiling it (which is why we need water).  So it converts food into energy to grow and make muscle, flesh and bones, etc.

I think the critical question here is: How do you convert other forms of energy for use by your physical body?

Does our chakra system have that sort of conversion ability? If it does, the process is known to a very select few indeed.

No one knows the answer to this question, IMO- I've heard the chakra system described as energy transmutation points, and it has also been described as a descriptive system which symbolizes aspects of reality and puts it in the human body.  So I'd say many think they know what it is, but that doesn't mean they really know.  I have an opinion, like others, but only because it works for my understanding of reality.

I do feel energized when I do the "NEW" energy raising exercises for example, but it definitely does not have the metabolic nourishing effect on my physical body in the same way that say a fresh banana omelet has. Maybe I am doing something wrong, I don't know. 

You're not doing anything wrong- speaking in strictly specifically scientific (as in measured to be accurate) terms, the effects of NEW on the physical body have been shown to increase circulation and endorphin activity in the areas targeted.  The diff. between this and, let's say, exercise, is that you are doing it in a meditative state, so the benefits are combined with all the good stuff meditation does, without the unpleasant side effects of exercise (that is, muscle and cell tearing, etc.)  of course, exercise is good for other reasons, but that's not what I'm talking about now.
So you see how mind-action (such as when you do NEW) does affect the physical body- so there is an effect from it- but it is not the same effect that food has- just like taking an aspirin (or willow bark, for those who don't do medicines, lol) is not going to do the same as a nice stew- they are for different things, affect the body differently, but affect it nonetheless.
But if you break down the components in the aspirin vs. the stew, you will see that eventually, if you break it down to their base particles, they are just that- energy.
You see where I'm going with this?
Energy is energy, how it expresses is what the difference is.

.02
Thank you all and bye bye.

ps., and the reason why I addressed interception:  Banana omelet? Like with plantains, green bananas, or ripe bananas?  Sounds interesting.

[interception]

I see what you are saying CFTraveler and I agree. I meant to refer to energy in terms of how it is used, which is kind of the point of this whole thread. Thanks for clearing that up.

Matter can be seen as a dense state of pure energy. So, theoretically, you simply need to break down some of the matter in your own body and convert it directly into energy. Clean, 100% matter to energy conversion - that's the dream. I am not sure about the conversion ratio, but if you could do that you could probably live of one of your nails alone for a 100 years...

(CFTraveler: Sliced ripe banana and cheese crammed inside an omelet. Nothing fancy, but it's easy, quick and nutritious.)

[no_leaf_clover]

Unless there is some secret organ in the body that can sustainably convert other forms of energy into the kind of energy that our physical body can use,

I think our entire body is capable of this, if properly trained to do so.  I have no scientific proof, but neither is there scientific proof that you CAN'T do it, and neither is there scientific proof for astral projection.

There is already an "organ" in your body that converts/translates between many different kinds of energy, or at least serves as a "superhighway" where they may all be experienced, and that is your spine, around which your kundalini rises and your chakras are set.

I believe our "spirit" (that which is "us" but NOT our physical body) consists of a subtler material than anything found in our body,  yet it can sustain our body when it has sufficient energy. 

[zareste]

I think the biggest hurdle is this planet's unstable plasma streams. When these streams are out of order, psychic abilities become very complicated so only the most skilled people can use them.

If these streams can be perfected, no animals will have to eat each other at all, and the planet could be energized so the environment will respond to thoughts. A lot of off-world cultures talk about this.

We could alter some things in the physical to enhance energy streams. For example, trees were introduced partly to improve Earth's energy networks. Structures such as the Giza pyramids were made to tap energy streams from other stars. Many ancient civilizations were told about these streams as well (Feng Shui makes use of it). We have pieces of this information under our noses.

[Fourthdimension]

so the majority believe this is possible under certain conditions and with certain skills but unlikely to happen within our life time.

i know am going off topic here but
what is plasma?
how does the giza pyramids help get energy flow from other stars?
why is the energy from the stars ristricted to just themselves if thats what you meant about how giza helps retrieve that energy?
and what is the earths energy streams?

has any body heard of ectoplasm well i ve heard its plasm that mediums produce in trances and its a physical manifestation so if a medium can transfomr energy in that way from invisible to visible then that same organ should be able to transform it in other ways?

[zareste]

Wish I knew more, but I'm just recently studying energy streams.

What I've gathered is, there are fields that exist beneath perceivable matter, and these fields govern the way matter behaves on a mathematical level. (which means all objects are held together by these fields and not atomic forces alone) When plasma enters a field, it can organize into atoms and create atomic patterns. Certain humanoids have tools that harness this and create atomically perfect objects.

To create such an object, they setup a field and bombard it with plasma. So surely, it's possible for a human organ to do the same. It would just need the fields for needed nutrients.

I'm no physicist, so my understanding of all this is a bit sketchy.

Plasma is just a collection of free electrons and ions, often traveling in a stream or cloud. It seems simple, but plasmic behaviors can be very complex. There's this study of 'plasmoid life forms', which reveals that plasma can show intelligence. Balls of plasma can retain information and even communicate it with each other. All it takes is a collection of free electrons and apparently, you have intelligence. It's theorized that - under conditions like outer space - a collection of plasma can organize into intelligent life forms. Which is funny because many people have 'past-life regressions' of being a collection of loose energy in space.

It seems - from what I've studied - our minds exist in subtle plasma grids, partly independent of our brain. Chakras maybe. This would store information and compute better than cells would - and explain by biologists can't seem to find any memory banks in the brain.

The planet also has plasma streams circulating around, which we rely on for mental and biological processes. Things like your biological clock and genetics use these streams, as well as your memory. These streams are improved by things like plants and water. They become disrupted when the plants are harmed or the water polluted.

If you've ever been near a clean waterfall, you've probably felt that refreshing, cleansing feeling. This comes from the positive ions released by the water - the same ions found in plasma. Compare this to the way you feel inside your house.
Or, go stand in a field of uncut grass or trees, and notice the way it feels. Compare this to the way you feel standing on concrete. When material is misplaced or processed, it also disrupts energy flows. Our buildings are made from all sorts of materials, melted and burned, mixed together, then shipped, and constructed with no regard for energy flows. We become unable to think straight, and end up with all sorts of diseases and bodily malfunctions that can't seem to be cured.

So you can see why it takes so much skill to do anything psychic.

The Giza pyramids did something to focus energy and make use of new energy streams, allowing the people new psychic abilities that were not possible in the wild. In fact it's said that many megalithic structures used energy in this manner by aligning with stars and equinoxes. Most of these structures don't work so well anymore due to changes in galactic alignments, but it's said that the Giza pyramids are still aligned and somewhat usable for psychics.

[Stillwater]

You're not doing anything wrong- speaking in strictly specifically scientific (as in measured to be accurate) terms, the effects of NEW on the physical body have been shown to increase circulation and endorphin activity in the areas targeted.

Are you saying that there has been direct research on "NEW" itself, or just tactile-awareness exercises? How would endorphin activity in a specific area be measured? I thought endophins only produce reactions on neural tissue, and are measured in blood samples, not locally.

[Fourthdimension]

hey thanx for that info on plasma.its interesting

[CFTraveler]

Are you saying that there has been direct research on "NEW" itself, or just tactile-awareness exercises? How would endorphin activity in a specific area be measured? I thought endophins only produce reactions on neural tissue, and are measured in blood samples, not locally.

No, I mean that there have been tests on endorphin activity related to awareness targeting (I'll have to look at the source, I read this a while ago) and that according to another source (I'll have to go back and find it) tactile awareness has been shown to increase circulation, so I put both together.
I'll have to go back and search for my sources, but I remember reading about these studies a while back.  I'll have more specific answers then.

[Stillwater]

Oh, okay. Thanks- I didn't mean to put you on the spot here, it just sounded a bit odd to me; I could certainly picture there having been studies on tactile awareness, if not NEW in particulary.