Mind Awake body asleep

[Stimpy]

Im trying to have an obe 9months now. with no success.
I cant achieve Mind awake body asleep or  "sleep paralysis" or  F10 however you prefer to call it.
I tried all posible methods, listened to all kinds of hemi syncs, practiced day and night. Im totaly desperate.
Why do i have to work so hard with no results while i have friends who projected in a matter of weeks. Ahh...
Its not fair 
Can someone please comment on how they achieve F10?

[coxx16]

http://www.lucidology.com/

Check this site out. Its free and has all kinds of techniques for obe and lucid dreams. These are physical techiques more than mental. So they should help.

[Stookie]

Here's a great article. And you don't have to sign up for anything or pay for the rest of it. (read their privacy policy: they "generally" do not share this information with third parties.)

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/focus_10_mind_awakebody_asleep-t24783.0.html

Share us your method(s) and problem(s) and maybe we can help narrow it down.

[Stimpy]

Tanks for your help. And thanks for the article. I extremely appreciate everybody's help
Let my paint you a picture:

My most frequently tried method is actually form lucidology 101 (Induction of sleep paralysis). It sounds easy and promising,
but if I get the roil over signal it lasts almost forever and I never end up paralysed. If I get the signal to roll over its during night attempts but that gives an other set of problems.
if i try the lucidology methot during the day i can lay for several hours without any urge to roll over. No roll over signal means no paralysis, no paralysis means no obes. hmmm...

I turned to Robert Bruce's method. When you try enter trance and from a trance state you try to separate... In some lucky cases I maybe even felt some projection symptoms.
But this method was far from ideal because i never really understood if i was in trance or not. Symptoms of trance on the body include numbness but i get the same symptom of numbness by stimulating the energy body (focusing my awareness on my body) So this leads to confusion. Also in order to get into trance and in order to separate to have to do visualizations. With is kind of exhausting and hard to me,
it also kind of distracts me so i fall asleep quicker.

The Monroe style Mind awake body asleep its what I'm seeking now because if you are paralysed or unable to move or feel your body  its 1000000000 times more easy to project.
So now I just try to keep my mind silent and observe  the blackness in front of my eyes my body gets more relaxed and numb I see (usually) a blue blob of light floating in the darkness. Eventually i get hypnagogis they are like very short dreams aren't they? So those hypnotics just knock me out to sleep and i fade in and out from dreaming.
I know that MABA is just behind that hypnagigic barrier but i just cant pass it. So lets say i get past hypnagogics which Monroe calls condition A then should be in condition B..... So what on Earth is contition B?

[thedubdude]

Im trying to have an obe 9months now. with no success.
I cant achieve Mind awake body asleep or  "sleep paralysis" or  F10 however you prefer to call it.
I tried all posible methods, listened to all kinds of hemi syncs, practiced day and night. Im totaly desperate.
Why do i have to work so hard with no results while i have friends who projected in a matter of weeks. Ahh...
Its not fair 
Can someone please comment on how they achieve F10?

I highly recommend using over the counter suppliments in particular Galantamine and Choline as described in the book:

"Advanced Lucid Dreaming the Power of Suppliments" by Thomas Yuschak. I almost always have an OBE after taking these suppliments. They are not mind altering in anyway, however, they do allow you to achieve that mind awake body asleep state.  The difficulty that I find is that when the mind is awake you don't believe your body is asleep so you keep waiting for the right moment to try to project. With the supplements you will notice more easily that you are dreaming and once you notice this you know your mind is awake and your body is asleep you can either project at that point or notice that you are having a lucid dream and take control of the dream....which is the same thing as projecting. More likely though, with these suppliments you will need to project from your body rather than awaken within a dream. Thus you will need to know how to project. In any case, I don't always use or need the suppliments, however, they are good to remind me of what techinques work and what don't. Keep at it...by far the thing that works best is a strong desire to project.

[catstorm3]

I used the timer method from L101 and it gave me 2 obes in about a week. Both at night.

Its still very hit and miss. I'm not sure what works and what doesn't. Sometimes I just lay there and sometimes I fall asleep. The timer beeps wake me up but i'm not in SP. So it is also frustrating for me, but I think I should thank my lucky stars that it worked for twice in one week.

One method I would like to suggest is Bruce Moen's "After life knowledge guidebook". (See http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com). He uses imagination to "prime the pump". Its a much gentler way of getting into the non-physical than through SP and vibrations. Also the imagination you use doesn't have to be perceptible to you - his method is very forgiving.

The thing that has delayed me with his method, is that he is almost too slow in getting going. I want to have the immersive OBE experience, immediately. I need to give it an honest try. Many people have recommended his methods as being excellent.

[Stimpy]

I Cant buy supplements or anything else. Sorry, But thanks anyway.

I don't know, I  been pursuing this goal so hard... sometimes i almost feel OBE disabled. Its sad but i will never give up my goal.

[Stimpy]

hey I tried phasing a few times ( its new to me ) I fell asleep trying  ( happens )

So I'm confused a little about phasing. The technique is almost the same as for a WILD so how i will should tell the difference if I'm in a dream or in the astral or in the RTZ.

Well here is my opinion it might be right or wrong so i like someone Else's comment.

So i believe since a dream is a product of our mind its much more "playable" you can create things make things disappear and so.....
But AP and RTZ are some other collectrive that we cant manipulate as much as our dreams, Right? 
And also what is your opinion on the RtZ is it the real time earth we are living in but we explore it in another body or is it an other separate realm so to speak?

[Fourthdimension]

hi the dubdude

you know when a man use's anabolic steroids how he becomes infertile and his testicles shrink becuase you are manually inputting the needed testrone in your body and so your body does not see the point in making anymore.
is that what happens when you take the two suppliments mentioned.does you body stop producing it?
what do those suppliments do?

[+Explorer+]

We have the same problem. Its been almost a year since i started trying. I started practicting since September 08'. I fee like im getting closer now. I meditate at night everyday now so hopefully I can project soon.

[Stimpy]

Best of luck +Explorer+ I hope we both project soon 

Hey by the way... please share your views  about the questions in my previous post that would be a big help. Thanks.

[Panthau]

Count me in. Im trying since 8 months with little success.
For me i think, its the "letting go". Im training it every day through
meditation.

[Stimpy]

welcome to the club Panthau. Our time will come

[T.L.]

"Why do i have to work so hard with no results while i have friends who projected in a matter of weeks. "

It all depends on a lot of things. Ability to control thoughts, ability to visualize, ability to concentrate, and body chemistry. Some people naturally find themselves in sleep paralysis, like my ex-wife. She would find herself in paralysis, and seeing through her eyelids (she had no idea what an obe was, mostly it just scared the p*ss out of her). As for me I have never found myself in paralysis. I can project from being fully conscious, yet even then Im not in sleep paralysis. Let's say Im in an obe and I completed whatever I set out to do, all it takes for me is to sit up physically. There is no concentrating on moving or getting out of paralysis Im just in an obe, then decide Im done then sit up physically.  As for the time it takes, as I said above it depends from person to person. It has taken me 3 years to succeed from being awake and about 1 1/2 to 2 years to have lucid dreams.

    It takes practice, patience, concentration and time. Don't let the time it takes frustrate you. As people said above the lucidology methods worked for them no problem, I disagree with some of what the guy says (my own experiences contradict some of what he says) but using an alarm technique he mentioned (timer) seems like a brilliant little way to let yourself fall asleep and have the mp3 wake you up. If I was in a rut and couldnt do it from being fully conscious this is the way I'd go.

[Naykid]

I believe it depends on one thing.. is it meant to be...?   

I don't mean, are you ready because you've conquered the ability to control your thoughts, or you can visualize..  I've heard over the years of people whom have devoted their life to having that one moment that solidifies what they've believed all along, only to have a wall hit them in the face.  It happens, when it's meant to happen... period.  Don't stress out about the time, just focus on the intent.

It doesn't make one person better than the next.  I just wanted to say that.. lol.  Patience is a wonderful tool, as T.I states.

Remember..  Guru is... Gee, you are you.