Hypnagogis

[Stimpy]

Maybe somenone can advice me on hypnagogics?the problem is that they just knock me out and i end up dreaming. It doesn't matter how much sleep i had, when they start I just loose focus and end up dreaming. So this problem is driving me crazy because i don't reach the decent focus 10 for projection.

please help 

[T.L.]

Take it step by step. When you get to hypnogogia and you are as deep as you can go without falling asleep, sit up physically. Then attempt it again and again trying to go deeper each time. If you have the time to do this give it a try. I found during a deep part of hypnogogia that I can focus a certain way and have a very solid real scene appear before me, which practice it becomes a really stable image in which I can enter consciously. Practice..practice..practice. Good luck.

[Stimpy]

Hey i got a lucid dreaming manual stating:

When you are in a hypnagogic state
your body is slowly shutting itself down for the night. Chemical processes are occurring which slowly
demobilize your body for the night so you don’t actually swing your arms in your bed just because you
are swinging them in your dreams. While dreaming, your eyes are a few of the only body parts that
remain mobile as we mentioned earlier when discussing REM sleep. Not only does your body shut down
due to this process of sleep paralysis, but due to the lack of external stimulation, your mind starts to go
through changes as well.
As you approach the threshold between waking and sleeping, your brainwaves slow down from a waking
bustling beta through a relaxing alpha and into a highly visual theta. Once you have entered into the theta
zone you are experiencing hypnagogia as you teeter at the edge of full sleep mode.


My question is:
Is the mind really in theta state when you are i hypnagogics?
Is the hypnagogic state deep enough to use an exit method?
are  about to enter mind awake body asleep soon while in hypnagogics?

[Stookie]

Hey i got a lucid dreaming manual stating:

When you are in a hypnagogic state
your body is slowly shutting itself down for the night. Chemical processes are occurring which slowly
demobilize your body for the night so you don't actually swing your arms in your bed just because you
are swinging them in your dreams. While dreaming, your eyes are a few of the only body parts that
remain mobile as we mentioned earlier when discussing REM sleep. Not only does your body shut down
due to this process of sleep paralysis, but due to the lack of external stimulation, your mind starts to go
through changes as well.
As you approach the threshold between waking and sleeping, your brainwaves slow down from a waking
bustling beta through a relaxing alpha and into a highly visual theta. Once you have entered into the theta
zone you are experiencing hypnagogia as you teeter at the edge of full sleep mode.


My question is:
Is the mind really in theta state when you are i hypnagogics?
Is the hypnagogic state deep enough to use an exit method?
are  about to enter mind awake body asleep soon while in hypnagogics?

Deep hypnogogics are a good signpost to show you are at the teetering point of awake/asleep. I would say it's the trickiest part of the whole process. I wouldn't do an exit technique until you actually get to a full mind awake/body asleep.

For me, I might have some light hypnogogic things, quick flashes of blurry color or light... then I might zone out and go unconscious for a second, then come around to a quick, but clear picture or scene that quickly fades. Here, I'll try to grab the "feeling" of that last thing. Not necessarily try to visualize, but to "feel" it again. If I'm deep enough, it's like T.L. said:

I found during a deep part of hypnogogia that I can focus a certain way and have a very solid real scene appear before me, which practice it becomes a really stable image in which I can enter consciously.

[T.L.]

"Is the hypnagogic state deep enough to use an exit method?
are  about to enter mind awake body asleep soon while in hypnagogics?"

The hypnagogic stage is not deep enough to use an exit technique. I'm sure if you practice and use an exit technique during hypnagogic stage that you may pull the awareness of your body away just because of the lack of thinking about it. So it might not be a bad idea, but just know if you use an exit technique you wont get out right away like you would if you were in the right state to use one. In your second question it depends because different people go to sleep (physically) slower than others so it all depends. For me yes, when I get to hypnagogia I know the vibrations are around the corner. However even up until the time I exit I'm never really physically immobilized, and when Im in the experience I can intend to sit up physically and my awareness is sucked back into the body while the body starts to sit up.

Like I said before though an interesting thing to try is to get the hypnagogic images clearer and more stable. This alone is sufficient to pull the awareness away from your body to speed up the process, and if deep enough you can just enter the image you are looking at and it becomes an environment you are in... it's very odd but fun. I don't know what causes the images to be certain things, each time I let it fade and come back it's different. The other day when I did this I seen a scene of inside a book store with a guy looking at books. It had a large front window I could see out onto the street. The next image was of an alley way behind a row of houses. The back yards had fences, it looked like a scene from a part of pittsburgh I used to live. The next was of woods but from the perspective of standing at the base of trees and looking into the sky. It's an interesting experience unto itself, but just a hop skip and jump away from projection.

[radman32]

coolio, i kinda didn't really know all that, TTHANKS!!

[Stimpy]

thanks for the advice .  I like to share with you  my experience of my last attempt yesterday. Its midnight and I'm going to sleep. so i try to achieve "mind awake body asleep" for some fun.
I did relaxation exercises and started looking at the blackness in front. My legs and arms soon became numb. I started getting hypnagogic images. Once they start (for the few seconds that they last) i immediately loose awareness once i understand that I'm in hypnagogics i regain my awareness but the hypnagogics immediately stop. I sort of "wake up".
and this fading in and out somehow confuses me because people say that they observe hypnagogics like TV without loosing consciousness. I tried to reapeat a mantra in my mind to keep my awake in hypnagogics. It  keeps me having just a Little more awareness that i stay awake longer but its not as effective as i want 

also i observed that when i faded in and out of dreams my sense of touch was getting weaker also a couple of times  realistically felt that my arms  were crossed on my chest and my legs felt like crossed. but in reality they here restin on my side. is this the beginnings of he body shutting down?

[T.L.]

   Yes if you fade in and out (which you don't have to do, but takes practice not too) you will notice your sense of touch dulling until it becomes negligible and you don't notice it at all. When you get to that point you will notice other things starting to happen. I can usually get the body to start dulling the senses within only a few short minutes. Then finally when I get to hypnagogic images and most of my entire body is already numb and instead of laying on a bed it feels more like Im laying on a slab of concrete (not in an uncomfortable way) because I do not feel anything anymore then soon my entire awareness of my body drops out.

  As far as the fading in and out, it's not such a bad thing either though. As long as you can decrease the amount of times you fade in and out, and assure your awareness will snap back as soon as other things like the vibrations start you will be fine. It's almost like a shortcut though if you fade in and out, it quickens the shutdown of your body. When the hypnagogics start try to be a passive observer rather than getting excited or surprised about it, that will stop them in their tracks. Just try to look at them emotionless, however don't get too entranced in them or you will fall into a dream. But if you can get them strong, solid and clear and can try to force your awareness into the image. Eventually youll be able to do this. First thing you will find is now you can move.

   When you look behind you, you will see the rest of the scene. You can just explore that place if you want when you accomplish this. Or you can wait a few moments try to will the scene to fade until you see nothing but blackness. When you do that you can just will yourself up and out. At that point usually the vibrations will have already been an ongoing thing and they will be really strong. Or it could be they already passed and you will simply just lift out with the will of doing so. One thing you can do to practice not fading in and out is when you notice you are doing that, just sit up for a few minutes to wake your body/mind up. When you are sure your analytical mind is fully awake, lay back down and do it over again. Do this a few times in a row each time you make your attempt. It will teach you not to go over the edge when attempting, and also will help you practice to go deeper more easily. It takes determination to do it this way. Good luck.

[radman32]

awesome, i really need to catch up to do it THAT well though, i really want to experience OOBE!! Good luck to all, I'm going practice my AP right now.

[Stimpy]

thanks very much T.L.