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[zareste]

That sentence doesn't make sense. Why are you still posting?

[Dusty2010]

That sentence doesn't make sense. Why are you still posting?

Wow, you're really not getting this are you. 

People - including myself - are asking for a bit more information on the claims you've made.  No one's getting angry, but you're dodging my original questions.

[zareste]

That's not the right subject at all. Are you feeling okay?

[Dusty2010]

I'm trying to pull on over on dusty, but it's not working.

[Stillwater]

haha.... yeah, a direct quote, if I have ever seen one

Not to take sides   

[zareste]

Sorry, Lucidity444, it seems you can't post anything here without a few weirdoes raging and derailing the thread

[Dusty2010]

Again with the raging, always with the raging.... with all the bippin' an' the boppin', the hippin' an' the hoppin', they forget- what the JAZZ MUSIC ..... is all ABOUT!

(Bill Cosby)

Okay, time to stop. I really will try 

As will I 

New (to me) idea about 2012.  The Mayan calendar runs in a circle, so in a way instead of it being the "end of humanity" it could very well be a new age, something that we just don't really know about yet.  Maybe a forth dimension, maybe a new revolutionizing thought will come up in the world.  The last time the calendar started over was the age of enlightenment, so perhaps we will have another time like that.

Or we'll all be lizard food!!!  Sorry, I couldn't resist 

[CFTraveler]

As will I 

New (to me) idea about 2012.  The Mayan calendar runs in a circle, so in a way instead of it being the "end of humanity" it could very well be a new age, something that we just don't really know about yet.  Maybe a forth dimension, maybe a new revolutionizing thought will come up in the world.  The last time the calendar started over was the age of enlightenment, so perhaps we will have another time like that.

Or we'll all be lizard food!!!  Sorry, I couldn't resist 

It's possible, since, as you indicated, the calendar has 'ended' before and things have changed, some would say for the positive.  So maybe we'll come to realize that what the ancient mayans may have considered a new beginning is vastly different than what we think it may be.  I do see a change in the way humanity looks at reality.

[Stookie]

I've been reading a lot of anthroposphy lately and it goes into the different epochs that the earth and humanity goes through over periods of time, how during lemurian and atlantean times that humans were much more connected to spirit and still had clairvoyance, and over time humanity has gradually become centered completely on earth, separating our perception of wider realities and making us materialistic. This is a part of human evolution.

Anyways, the idea I'm bringing up is that 2012 is maybe the approximate peak of this epoch into materialism and it's time to slowly move back into a natural perception of wider realities. The feelings that people have associated with this can cause all kinds of theories to manifest, which I suppose is completely normal.

Just ideas.

[Stillwater]

Stookie:

I've been reading a lot of anthroposphy lately and it goes into the different epochs that the earth and humanity goes through over periods of time, how during lemurian and atlantean times that humans were much more connected to spirit and still had clairvoyance, and over time humanity has gradually become centered completely on earth, separating our perception of wider realities and making us materialistic. This is a part of human evolution.

Anyways, the idea I'm bringing up is that 2012 is maybe the approximate peak of this epoch into materialism and it's time to slowly move back into a natural perception of wider realities. The feelings that people have associated with this can cause all kinds of theories to manifest, which I suppose is completely normal.

One of my favorite contemporary philosophers is David Chalmers. He is someone who started his career focused on neuroscience, but started to back away when he realized that the work of the present all carries with it this latent assumption of matierialism; materialism is a pretty attractive doctrine, when one considers how well it meshes with most of our understanding of reality, but, as Chalmers realized, materialism has an extremely difficult time adopting itself to the realm of purely mental phenomena.

Most materialists will argue that consciousness can be reduced to an emergent property that arises from networks of neurons, but they generally ignore their responsibility to state exactly how this can happen- afterall, first-person experiences of qualia in no way resemble physical entities or processes, so it is difficult to see how the latter could cause the former. Chalmers was one of the first in contemporary times to make the charge that materialists are merely solving the functional problems of brain-based consciousness, and are utterly ignoring what he deems to be the "Hard Problem"- namely how a mental ontology arises from a purely physical ontology at all, when there doesn't seem to be any necessity, nor even reason for this effect to occur (Socrates makes the same charge in the Phaedo, and it was made many times since, by Decartes and others, and potentially before).

One interesting thing which Chalmers also says from time to time in his interviews, which I agree with, is that we should look to the example of classical age eastern cultures. Granted, they had a much different view of the world than we today, but one thing which they had which we currently lack is a tradition of introspection, whereby meditation and other mental disciplines are employed to study the mind and the self. I have no doubt that the understanding which a 6th century guru had of his subconscious is of no less value to undertstanding our minds than matieral neuroscience, if not significantly more. Afterall, we are apparently both physical and mental creatures (though arguments are made that we are purely mental or physical), and if we are going to try to understand what it means to be human from a purely physical standpoint, we are ignoring a large and essential part of our reality.

While I don't think that this shift in scientific paradigm would necesserily happen in fulfillment of Mayan prophecies, I do think it is direly needed for advancement of human understanding of the universe, and humanity's place in it.

[CFTraveler]

I'm reading "The End of Materialism" by Tart.  I think both of you would enjoy it.

[Stillwater]

I'm reading "The End of Materialism" by Tart.  I think both of you would enjoy it.

I respect Tart's work, and I do hope to read this one soon  

[Zino]

Zareste. Get a grip and grow up.


Also, to be honest looking at the whole plan of things, of life...Eh, it's too much for my tiny Human brain to handle! If we know why we are here we will have no will to live. Why do we play games and work hard to complete them? After that they get boring. Even if you do find why we are here what next? What will be our goal after that?

So, -why- are we the most important race? We have -WAY- too many vices don't we? Ugh, too many 'ifs', 'buts' and 'why's for me .

[zareste]

This is not a good place to run around trolling - especially in the middle of a thread. You'll do better on another board

[Zino]

Zareste. Get a grip and grow up.

[Dusty2010]

[Stookie]

I'm reading "The End of Materialism" by Tart.  I think both of you would enjoy it.

For some reason, my library won't let me put that on hold. I'm going to go have a word with them...