Is entering astral from LD supposed to be this difficult?

[Gbob]

I've been trying to do this for several weeks now. This morning I tried the method where I stare at an out of place or abnormal object and try to remember and put everything back to normal. Today I saw some objects that were misplaced or bizaare but I couldn't remember how my room was supposed to look! Everytime in lucid dreams I have very bad memory and I can't seem to think logically. Most of the time, all the methods I've been meaning to try out, I forget to do them.

I've tried so many different methods. The only one that has actually 'worked' is the falling backwards method. But even that doesnt always work, it's hit and miss. The meditating while in an LD produced an 'effect'...but it was just a bunch of false awakenings each time.

Can someone please offer some advice? I feel that I'm very close as I am able to (randomly) lucid dream quite frequently but it's just that last step that's very fustrating.

P.S. I've also tried the waking up and not moving method. I did that for like an hour (with exit techniques) and nothing happened...I just seemed to be stuck in deep meditation. I hate that method 

Thank you!

[Zino]

LDing to astral?

I suggest trying to run really fast in your LD or feel yourself being pushed / backed up to a wall and falling through it, tis what helped me. But I think we've all learnt everyone is different.

[CFTraveler]

Why would it be difficult?  A dream is just a private region of the astral- lucidity is the first step to gain awareness of 'where' you are, and just leaving the area should land you in the astral collective regions.  Unless you're trying to go to the RTZ, which is then another story.

[Gbob]

So is lucid dreaming the same as astral projection in a sense?

[CFTraveler]

In a sense- all dreams are projections, except that a regular dream is simply a projection into your subconscious.  A lucid dream is a dream in which you become aware of what you're experiencing, and an astral projection is a trip to the collective parts of the astral.
That's why sometimes you may visit a deceased one in a dream (you've wandered on to the lower/middle astral), and sometimes share dreams, or have precognitive dreams.  The difference is in the quallity of the experience, but not of it's nature.

Most people treat them different, because it's easier to label, until you get into collective dreams, etc.  Then the difference becomes more blurry.

[Gbob]

Oh ok. So how come everytime I'm in my room in an LD I don't see my own body nor the silver cord that everyone talks about?

I also tried calling/shouting out to my spirit guide a while back but nothing happened 

[CFTraveler]

Oh ok. So how come everytime I'm in my room in an LD I don't see my own body nor the silver cord that everyone talks about?

I also tried calling/shouting out to my spirit guide a while back but nothing happened 

Because you're not in the real time zone, you're in the astral.  The astral takes the form of whatever your subconscious is reflecting on it.  That's why dreams are symbolic, because that's how the subconscious communicates with your conscious mind.
As to your spirit guide, there can be many reasons.

[Gbob]

Oh right I sort of understand now. So all this time I've actually been trying to get to the real time zone. So getting from an LD to the real time zone, is that tricky? How would one go about that? Isn't the staring at an object method supposed to get you to the real time zone? Any tips at all?

[CFTraveler]

Yes, going to the RTZ is trickier, because you have to 'change speeds', so to speak, 'downshift', to go back to the RTZ.  How I do it, (and it's the only thing that works for me) is to become aware of my body-by will-, not open my eyes when I start to feel myself in bed, wait for vibrations, and then do an exit technique. 
If you're too late in the dream (that is, about to wake up anyway), stay with eyes closed, and try to 'see' visions, and you will get vibes (it's the only way I get vibrations, btw.) and then use rope or your favorite exit technique and get out.
The projection will most probably be short, and eventually things may get weird, so get your money's worth out of it.

Staring at an object is only recommended to stay in a dream if you are feeling yourself wake up.  I have never heard of it being used for anything else.

[newmethod]

How I do it, (and it's the only thing that works for me) is to become aware of my body-by will-, not open my eyes when I start to feel myself in bed, wait for vibrations, and then do an exit technique.

I also do the same!

I've had some success doing this by attempting to sit up in my astral body directly from the LD once I make the choice to move from the LD to an AP.

just sit up! try it... it works for me.. if i succeed in not moving i find i am in bed. and vibes start almost instantly..
just the thought of sitting up in your astral body will bring you close to your body in bed! Then as CFTraveler said do an exit technique. My fav is rolling out and onto the floor! just need to find what works for you

[Gbob]

Yes, going to the RTZ is trickier, because you have to 'change speeds', so to speak, 'downshift', to go back to the RTZ.  How I do it, (and it's the only thing that works for me) is to become aware of my body-by will-, not open my eyes when I start to feel myself in bed, wait for vibrations, and then do an exit technique. 
If you're too late in the dream (that is, about to wake up anyway), stay with eyes closed, and try to 'see' visions, and you will get vibes (it's the only way I get vibrations, btw.) and then use rope or your favorite exit technique and get out.
The projection will most probably be short, and eventually things may get weird, so get your money's worth out of it.

Staring at an object is only recommended to stay in a dream if you are feeling yourself wake up.  I have never heard of it being used for anything else.

A few nights ago I woke up from a lucid dream and kept completely still for about an hour. I tried doing the elevator technique as well as the rope technique but nothing happened in the end. I was pretty sure my body didn't move at all in that time. I didn't get excited or anything due to the fact that there was nothing to be excited about. I guess the highlight of it all was a slight feeling of vibrations which disappeared after a while. Any suggestions as to why it didn't work? So is astral projection not as simple as body asleep, mind awake?

p.s. my body did feel incredibly heavy but that was all. It felt as if I was stuck in deep trance. What am I doing wrong?

Thank you

[CFTraveler]

It's not that you did anything wrong, is that sometimes lucidity happens when you are 'done' (or shortly before) and you may have just woken up too much.
It's a slippery thing, sometimes.

[Gbob]

So do you think if I keep practicing the waking up, not moving followed by rope technique, my chances of an RTZ projection are much greater than any of the other methods that I use?

It could be useful, as I could use Newmethods technique whilst in an LD, and if that fails I can wake up and do the rope method. That way I have 2 chances.

[CFTraveler]

There you go.  The more methods you learn, the more chances.  Just this morning, I tried rope, switched to floating, and ended up rolling out.  Goes to show, you never know what'll work each time.

[Gbob]

Newmethod: today in my lucid dream I tried sitting up. Nothing really happened, am I supposed to do it for a long time. Whilst sitting I looked at my leg, and my skin was twitching and tingling.

Although I did the falling backwards method and it gave me really strong vibrations over all my body. But then it just ended up as a false awakening near the spot that I fell backwards on.

[radman32]

Now when you say will yourself to sit, is that like thinking to yourself to snap like a mouse trap into the sitting position?

[CFTraveler]

I just sit up (not so much as fast as a mousetrap).  If nothing happens I get up and walk out.  That's because you can sit up and think you're in-body, but actually be projected.  So getting up off the bed is the way to know you actually are not going to float away.

[radman32]

Ok, well i usually sleep in a loft bed, so what if i can't get out of bed easily?

[dbmathis]

I am able to go from a lucid dream to the RTZ very easily, but this was not always the case. It took several months of becoming lucid and trying before it actually happened. My intent was always the RTZ.

I simply set the intention throughout the day and during the lucid dream that I want to be OBE and normally the dream will end and I will find myself laying in bed in vibrations. When I set the intention I simply think about the end result non verbally (like in images). Once I am in vibrations the roll out to the side technique seems to work best for me. I have used mantras too while falling asleep stating my intent. There are so many different methods, just keep trying and you will eventually get what you want.

Thanks for posting and keep it up.

[CFTraveler]

Ok, well i usually sleep in a loft bed, so what if i can't get out of bed easily?

Then sit up and touch the ceiling.  See if you can make your hands go through it.  If you can, the rest is easy.

[newmethod]

sorry Gbob on not getting back earlier.. i'm not too frequent on here..

Newmethod: today in my lucid dream I tried sitting up. Nothing really happened, am I supposed to do it for a long time. Whilst sitting I looked at my leg, and my skin was twitching and tingling.

Although I did the falling backwards method and it gave me really strong vibrations over all my body. But then it just ended up as a false awakening near the spot that I fell backwards on.

Were you awake in bed (still and eyes closed i imagine) when doing the falling backward method.. If so this is a good sign... when the vibrations are strong the next step is your exit technique. You are nearly there!!! There are many techniques, easiest for me is in rolling out to the side.

From the Lucid Dream I imagine my 'physical' body sitting up in bed (with intent of shifting away from the dream & ..going AP).. i usually wake in bed with vibrations.From there the key is to maintain awareness with the process.. remain still.. eyes closed etc.

I found success after practicing AP trance from an awake state (ie.Sat afternoon), & familiarizing myself with the separation process according to others because there are huge similarities between individuals. As Mr. Mathis stated there are many different 'methods' but it also seems to me the separation process is largely similar between individuals. What i mean by familiarization is understanding where you are in the process, how to deepen or lighten your trance accordingly, and have a plan in mind for your exit strategy and understanding when to apply exit techniques..

Hope this helps 

[Gbob]

sorry Gbob on not getting back earlier.. i'm not too frequent on here..

Were you awake in bed (still and eyes closed i imagine) when doing the falling backward method.. If so this is a good sign... when the vibrations are strong the next step is your exit technique. You are nearly there!!! There are many techniques, easiest for me is in rolling out to the side.

Oh. No I do the falling backward method whilst in a lucid dream. Is that totally wrong? It gives me vibrations which I feel during the LD. I don't really understand what attempting the method whilst within the LD achieves...it just creates a bunch of false awakenings.

[CFTraveler]

Nothing is 'totally wrong' with this stuff- always look at why you're doing something and see if it makes sense to you and works.  If it does, embrace it.  If it doesn't, set it aside for 'further study', and try it again when it seems time.
If something you do is giving you vibrations in a LD, then that's not the problem- what you do after you get the vibes may be what needs to be looked at.