It followed me back

[terrance]

Thanks kakkarot
Some interesting stuff you've said here.  Mostly I'm impressed with the tone of your writing - it suggests a very positive attitude with your astral adventures!

"i'm still kinda wondering though, as to whether the thing that followed you back was a created 'being' (like an astral construct), was astral muscle for the real owner of the book, or was the real owner of the book (which would mean the first person you were hiding from would be a bit inconsequential to your overall experience)."

Not sure which it was - once again a gut feeling, but I had the impression it was a guardian of sorts.

"...and that it was mad at you for doing that. does this explain it better?"

Much better... still not sure why it was upset though!

And Wisp - thanks again for your time on these matters - you're helpful and thought provoking for me - I hope I return the favour (although I still can not illicit any response to your past experiences for your archetype it's a little alien to me). "I never thought of any pain being part of it! No way!"  Positive stuff again.  This overall idea of what's to be expected, i feel, will influence all dealings in the astral and is something that I'm taking care to implement in my attitude to these things.  That's not to say I was negative on the outset - i was was more a blank canvass and didn't know what to expect.  Adopting an enhanced positive attitude (along with a sense of being in complete control kakkarot) can only strengthen.

Wisp - I going to quote your whole last bit because I have several things to say... i want to say them in the right order.


"Anyway, to finish about the archetype idea.  I read this little phamphlet once that talked about this very subject. If I can get hold of it again I'll write what it said."

I would be interested to see this.

"Visually I see an opening from this third eye point to an open channel leading from here to the top of the head to then the astral. To open this area the archetype symbol must be released from this area and this then opens the astral channel."

I don't understand this I'm afraid.  Is the archetype figure different to the symbol.  And how do you use it to exit.  Tangent:  Before xmas i spread-eagled on the floor and dropped strait into the black-3d space-star-tunnel place.  I was flying though this, my body vibrating like a drill.  My astral vision detected a shape coming to me - I don't want to use the term angel... but it was white and seemed to have wings.  It held out an object (white and blue and orb like) to me and I took it.  My mind's mouth said some words - energy was pulsing through me.  I then released it.  It flew up and away though the tunnel but it was attached to a cord to the top of my head (i think - it may have been my forehead as opposed to my crown).  I had a feeling I could re-establish this link anytime in the future.  I have not tried to link up again yet... although it could be permanent anyway.  What you said about 'releasing' brought this to my mind.

"This exit point recently was covered by ice on the outside but the ice cracked and the opening is there again. I wonder what the ice layer represents because it hadn't been there except for this one time?"

What's your true gut feeling on the ice.  Could it have been an external influence.  Could it have been astral scare tissue?

"So, is it possible an archetype may be an image or a guide that leads the way? Is anyone else familiar with this channel to the astral? Or am I sounding strange?"  

No.  And once again I'm going to write about me instead:)  Shortly after this experience, just after xmas and towards the end of a mean cold I decided to attempt a full blown OBE.  The differences this time were:
1)I did it in a sitting position, feet on a cushion and a blanket wrapped around me.  I also had a blindfold on (oh! to have been a fly on the wall).
2)I took all that needed answering and placed it into a mental box tied fast with a blue ribbon.  I then took this box a placed it to one side - all this was visualisation by the way.

Anyway, raised energy, meditated, trance and black space again.  I was totally out of it.  At one point I went back to my body to put my tongue back in my mouth (yuk!) which had fallen out of my mouth and gone dry.  Don't get me wrong, I wasn't properly out of body.  I tried different methods to exit but was having a hard time of it despite my trance, paralysis and feeling of pulsing energy I'd never felt before.  After some time I just decided to ask for help.  A white female figure with wings flew to me.  She radiated love and energy.  My hands were out of body and I held these out to her.  I was pulled out by her a few times but kept getting sucked back again.  I then decided to put my hands clasped behind my head.  She took hold of my arms and plop - I was OB.  She then flew with me to strange places.  One place she called the nebulas and said I could come here whenever I liked.  She said I could get to my building from here by holding onto a balloon thing.  At one point I asked her if she was my GA - she said no - but pointed to a bright figure in the distance and said that I couldn't meet him yet, not till I'd sorted those out - and she pointed to the place I'd left my box.  She also told me her name - it surprised me how normal her name was/is.

Since this happened I've found it even hard to enter the black space - which is odd.  Maybe my energy is a little drained.

But Wisp - the focus of my exit seems to be the third eye... still at a loss as to what you mean by using the archetype symbol to exit.........

[kakkarot]

actually, i haven't had any astral projections yet. haven't really been trying actually, i find the "real" world interesting (when i have the time[]) enough as it is.

~kakkarot

[Mclocks]

Terrance,

I wonder if in fact you were actually 'awake' when you saw the figure in your room?

You speak of being paralysed-this can be one of the symptoms of a false awakening.

Just a thought.

Still,not very nice though!

I'm very glad it didn't happen to me.

[kakkarot]

actually that happened to me in a dream just a couple of weeks ago. i was in the dream, and i knew it, when me and the people with me all went to sleep. as we started going to sleep i felt the presence of a hostile being at my back and my fear paralyzed me while i was still in the dream. recognizing i was in a dream, i forced my self to calm down, gathered up my emotions and put on a feeling of anger. i was no longer paralyzed but the dream ended then.

but i don't think terrance was going through a false awakening. he said the paralysis wore off and he was just about to get up to turn on the lights when intense fear made him freeze again.

~kakkarot

[wisp]

I think standing up to it is the key. I had to do that with this very strong dark force. It was a face to face encounter.It was invisible but I could sense it.I wonder what the being behind you means? Besides being strong against(right word?), are you suppose to turn around to it or just go on? It sounds more frightening to be behind you!

Terrance I'll respond more to what you said when I get a chance. I'm seeing if that Archetype pamphlet can be found.

Oh, this dark force I was facing, later on it was in pieces all around my house. I sense this darkness has some good to it. I sense twinkling gold lights within the darkness.  []

[terrance]

Hello Mclocks,
"I wonder if in fact you were actually 'awake' when you saw the figure in your room?"  A very good question and one I asked my self repeatedly after the event.  I've had dreams before where I've woken up into other dreams, and I'll admit that this could have been the case in this instance.  However, there were particular aspects of this experience that have swayed me to negating this possibility.  When I woke up I went up on to one elbow (sort of - I hunched up on my arm)  and then was frozen by the entities presence.  When he came back and swore at me I was still in the same position.  And then when I freaked and jumped off off the sofa it was from this same position.  The were no gaps or changes in circumstances that would have proved a reality/conscious shift.  Saying all that however I'll still admit that I could have been asleep and my dream to reality shift was just extremely convincing.  
If asked to choose I would say it was not a case of a false awakening.

kakkarot, after reading so much on this site, and after making such a great number of posts, are you not just a little tempted to attempt an OBE?

Wisp - have you cleaned all these dark pieces up?

[kakkarot]

well, wisp, i don't think there was any symbolism in my dream regarding the being being ([]) behind me. it just the way the dream was playing itself out. we came into a room through a door, and there was nothing there that we saw right away, so we just dropped to the ground and went to sleep. then the thing came out from behind the doorway and we just happened to have our backs turned to it.

i don't try to read symbolism into my dreams. my dreams are just like my daydreams, cool adventurers.[8D] (well, sometimes).

terrance, yeah, i'd like to have an oobe, but i have other things i'm learning right now, and i don't want to disturb that process by trying to learn something else. if it just up and happened, i'd love to experience it and i'd try to go with it as much as i could, but i don't think oobe'ing is for me anyway. oh well.[|)]

~kakkarot

[wisp]

Kakkarot,
You must enjoy your dreams and experiences.For me, I like to analyse things to death []. This is fun for me. Either way, fun is the main point.

Terrance,
Not to worry about those old archetype figures. I just thought I would give it a shot at getting some possible answers.[]
A positive attitude is good on these astral matters.I read and study dreams. There is also the importance of learning the negative aspect as well, and how to use negative balance in a positive way.You asked if I cleaned up the pieces of the negative or fearful thing I faced. I do not know how to do that. At this time I'm not so sure I would want to do that.Maybe this negative force serves a purpose I'm not yet aware of. Who knows, maybe it's a dark side of me that I'm failing to utilize correctly. The pieces are there and ready to be put together to make a whole, maybe in conjunction with the positive aspect. I study dreams. I've been looking at alot of things of this nature in my dreams lately. I'm hoping to get some answers.

I know what you mean about the blank canvas. When I started having regular dreaming I had a few dreams which pictured the blank canvas.

No luck on relocating the mysterious little pamphlet I had mentioned. Maybe I'll run across a similiar definition in my reading someday.

The black-3d space-star-tunnel place you drop into and fly around in is interesting. Is this a typical astral or obe place?
My only real obe experience is on the ground and walking around. I rarely ever fly. The vibration experience is foreign to me. I usually go directly where I happen to be going. I usually just hang around my house, haha, but true. This seems to be where I need to be right now until I learn more about the astral world. It's like my base station. It's right because of so much synchrony in my life now.

Your description of your experience just before xmas is quite amazing. My experience I explained to you has a very similiar appearance to it. I had a white figure, kind of like the queen piece in chess, off colored white with potential-like wings wrapped around her like a bat. She flew off from me into the astral. I also had a sense she was still available to me for what ever purpose she served. Less clear at a later time a similiar black figure did the same thing. I think maybe some yin yang teaching going on at this time. I felt no negativity with the black figure as it left into the astral in the same manner as the white figure. I had little or no sensing abilities at the time this occured. It was as if the release of these symbols(if that is what you can call it) opened up the channel of learning for me.
It's interesting that your figure came to you as opposed to mine leaving me. I wonder if that's not an indication of receiving and sending of something? I wonder about the orb in your experience. Orbs were very much in my early experiences as well. The orbs I saw were crystal clear.The color of the orb you were given I'm sure has a specific meaning as well. My orbs came from an unknown source.

It sounds like your experience was very spiritual, I like that. Maybe that's why you have changed for the time being about the black space you mentioned.I'm not sure what you mean by the black space, but I kinda get an idea about it.
I want to ask what the spirit's name is but you may want to keep that to yourself.

Do you ever have regular dreams? Do you understand the regular dreams when you have them?

[terrance]

Wisp - I read somewhere (I think it was a R Bruce piece) that to clear away negative 'stuff' you need to create a ball in your house (I think whilst meditating) and have it turning anticlockwise.  The ball is black and sucks in neg' stuff.  As it does this it grows in size.  Once there is no more dark stuff flying to it (in other words all the dark stuff in the local area has been drawn to it) you then change its direction clockwise.  As it does this you convert is to white stuff.  It gets whiter and brighter until you have a great, bright white ball.  Then you blow it to bits.  Thus all the dark stuff is turned to white and you've cleared your home.  

On the other hand I'm sure that keeping this dark entity/neg close by will allow you to learn from it.  And if you're positive I see no reason why you shouldn't benefit from this... in the short term at least.

I first termed the 3D blackness "star tunnel".  It's a place/level of consciousness I have found easy to fall into.  In this mental state I'm able to make my thought = a certain amount of action.  Shapes and pictures fall into my field of view.  Sometimes they move.  Sometimes they're just simple objects like a buildings or a book.

Over the last week I've spent a good deal of time reading though the locked topics in Astral Consciousness on this site.  I think I must have read a part of one of these a topics a month or so ago and tagged 3D-blackness to "star tunnel."  

The methods discussed for projecting here are very interesting indeed.  The concept of phasing into levels of consciousness as opposed to trying to force Out of Body especially.  I think the 3D blackness is termed focus12 and would seem that I've been quite lucky with finding F12.  I'm rambling - what this all highlights is that I have been making a possible error when trying to force OoB.  As I've mentioned before, however, I normally go with the flow and this is why I've probably taught myself to get to the 3D place.

"My only real obe experience is on the ground and walking around. I rarely ever fly. The vibration experience is foreign to me. I usually go directly where I happen to be going. I usually just hang around my house, haha, but true."

When I had the lucid dream the other day I made some errors.  I tried to land at high speed into a run.  I shouldn't have considered using my legs (physical logic) and should have just thought 'stop there'.  A similar thing happened when I tried to fly up to the stork - because of the speed I was flying at my turn was a massive arc.  Wrong misconception again.  You live and learn:)  Your method of going directly to where you need to go makes far more sense.  Also exploring what you you know seems like a good idea.  My problem is that I'm not so interested in projecting onto the earth or RTZ.  I want to explore the astral meet the people/entities out there.

I like the the chess piece description.  As a kiddy at school we always used these semi-translucent plastic chess pieces... I see what you mean.  Have you considered seeking this white-figure out.  It would be fascinating to see what transpired.  I've sensed the one I met with me a few times since.  I don't know why but I feel it would be incorrect to name her just yet... gut feeling.

Your experience with the black figure rings bells.  I've been approached by black figures but they seem harmless... just sort of timid and curious.  I have not been welcoming to these figures.  Next time I see or meet one I think I will welcome it instead and see what transpires.

"Do you ever have regular dreams?"   Had one last night involving a random bloke I saw in a store, his house, an estate agent and a fridge full of bottled pineapple juice.
"Do you understand the regular dreams when you have them?"  Not a bloody clue! []

take care
t

[wisp]

Hi Terrance, I accidently deleted or lost my last post to you.Ah drat[:I].Now I lost my train of thought to write it again, but I'll try. I really like the counter clock-wise cleansing maneuver with the white mass. It really makes me think that is what I should do. I probably need to get into energy work. I don't know why I shy away from that aspect of all this? A friend of mine says my weakness is my lack of assertiveness, this is probably it.

The 3D darkness has caught my attention as well, I hope to read up on it. I'm a little slow on the Phychic Defense book I was going to review with you. I'm still on page 20. Don't think I've forgotten about it.It seems there is so little time in a day to get all the things done I want.

I will try to contact the white figure.I tried once but got 3rd eye visuals, and even the visuals were scrambled and blurred.Just not the right time yet.

I think that sounds right not to force oob all the time.I think loose structure is as good as a strict plan.

If you like I'll give you an interpretation on your dream. It would be interesting how close I'm come to being right. You would get a feel if I was on the right track or not.

I couldn't help but see Cainam Nazier's post under Dream,Projection, or Something Else and then your comment.Now that's the kind of thing that I would want to discover in the astral.I wonder if energy work helps you get to that realm? I had one ascension experience and I believe it is related to Kundelini(and spirit help). This too I've had some experience with. I have an idea I may post there when I come up with the right wording. I believe in the the edge of the universe possibilty. []I think higher power spirit help may be necessary but then again, if your an astral traveler, who knows how far you can go. I seem to travel in a mental way, but that can still be considered astral travel.

[terrance]

Greetings Wisp.  Would you believe I started writing this last Saturday... it's been one hectic week!!!

I wonder why you shy away from the energy raising aspect.  Check out New Energy Ways (if you haven't yet) on this site - I think it's in the download section... did I mention this before?  I can't remember.  Anyway, the energy raising I do is enjoyable in itself and sometimes leads to interesting experiences.
I sometimes to do it before dropping off to sleep - thus it takes no real time.

I've finally ordered the Pyschic Defence book... it's gonna take 3 weeks to get to me!!!  

I think energy work must help when seeking the same sort of experience that cainam had - i would imagine that energy work helps one to sustain the energy body for longer periods and to read the higher planes.

What do you mean that you travel in a 'mental way'?

I would be facinated to see an interpretaion of the dream.

Regards
t

[metaphysics]

What interesting things happen when you energy raise, Terrance? I energy raise, and would quite like something interesting to happen. Do you do anything different from NEW?

[terrance]

Hello Metaphysics

What interesting things?  
The main thing would be the sensations - I sometimes feel really charged and aware... hard to describe.  It's worth it just for that.

If I'm meditating as well then I often slip onto various levels of awareness in the astral etc.

Also if I energy raise, fall aleep and wake up in the middle of the night I get better rsults.

I only know the first portion of NEW so far.  One thing I do do is fill up the bottom chackra first and let the enery build up pop open the chackra naturally.  The energy will then flow into the next and so on.  Sometimes it works through to the crown... other times I might just get half way.  I try not to force anything.... execpt for the flow of energy in.

regards
t

[wisp]

Hi Terrance, It was my turn to have a hectic week. Now, back to normal. I do a little favor for someone and it messes up my world for a week [],just kidding. Anyway it was worth it. I'm making progress with my dream studies. I sent you a email with a more detailed desciption of your dream. Your dream was short and to the point. You have few hindrances so your dream makes for a good study.I may be off in another direction, but this particular dream is expressing identification of your body's energy. I can't exactly say why pineapple but it being known as a sunshine fruit it has to do with sun energy.Sun energy can be male energy or possibly chakra involving the solar plexus. The purpose of the estate agent I'm not sure. Is the agent male or female? The estate suggests ownership, to me I think of inherited. This being related to something about family heritage. It can also be about the agent being you and negotiating something about your property(physical body). This leads to the visual of the stored fluid energy stored. Ready for use (positive) or not being utilized (neg).The random bloke in the store was a trigger to your unconscious about the scenerio you set up in your dream.Since you don't know the dream figure, it is an unidentified part of yourself. Dreams are multifaceted.I pick up up on this aspect of your dream. I find a lot of people want to know if their going to meet someone or what's going to happen in their life.This is interesting too. It seems you have to know a person better to be able to pick up that kind of information. This may also show my lack of experience in this area.  

I guess by mental I mean I don't delve much outside (obe).This is ok to me.I do leave my body sometimes when ready to go to sleep and during sleep. Lack of knowledge may be one reason I fear some about energy development.This is why I have had bad or uncontrolled experiences in the past. I began reading New Wave, so far I identify with what is said. In the mean time I'm happy with my visuals, sychrony, and learning about dreams.

I'm still trying to find the time to continue with the book Psychic Self Defense.Since your copy will not arrive for awhile, I'll zip through the book quickly and give you a rundown on what to expect. This will give me an incentive to run through the book. I tend to use books for reference. Occasionally I read a book cover to cover. I enjoy reading.

I enjoyed reading your last post describing the awareness with your experiences. Things like that give me a better image of understanding. I think body awareness is something I need to work on.

[terrance]

Thanks for the reading - I've replied with the full version of the dream.  What you've said thus far makes some sense to me.  If you want to revise the reading I'd be interested to read what you have to say.

Good luck with the book... you've got about a week to read it:)

If anything I think NEW might give you insight in how to control the flow of energy in and out of the body.  It should also allow you to manipulate your chackras so that you don't get this energy leak again (I'm assuming that was what it was of course).  As I mentioned I would be interested in an elaboration of this 'jump' experience.

Kind regards
t

[wisp]

Terrance, Yes both emails made it to me. I will gladly re-do the take on your dream. I can also take on the stork dream. The stork one is a bit more baffling but worth some thought.The full dream version does change the interpretation a little.

I was thinking the New may be the way to go. I plan to read further on the subject. Thank you for the suggestion.

Energy leak is as good a word to use as any with my abnormal experiences. I've always been susceptible to irregular experiences. The first dream book I bought was because it mentioned about some people get their dreams mixed up with reality. As it ends up I never could find that part of the book again. By identifying this alone made me understand and learn that everyone is influenced by real waking experiences and the more subtle effects of unconscious influences coming in.This area of interest has  been a benefit toward learning so much more. For instance, it's the blending of or the evolving of these two things are what brings about living in synchrony.
I try to understand this vision experience.The after effects were just as interesting. Back then I didn't keep notes, I'll have to depend on my memory about the year after. I will take some time to recall what transpired during this time. My increased energy requirements was the most profound part at first. Once I gained control and understanding of my metabolic changes I had more time to learn. The metabolism change as well as the year spent rebuilding my physical self in the world I actually exist in was a time I realized the fine line between life and death. Back then I called this experience as "seeing two worlds". No one knew what I was talking about when I would ask about this phenomenon. My mental faculties were fine, a few enlightened or inquiring minds just thought I was going through a psychic experience, I guess I was in a clueless sense[]. The other world can maybe be described as a transitional place where the afterlife was the next step.
This astral place I went and returned from left me with the metabolism much like a bird's. Bird's don't store energy, they have to supply their energy in their daily intake of food. Luckily I learned to keep well stocked in food. And no, I didn't develop cravings for bird seed[]. It's just I learned this about birds because a few years ago I raised birds.
I'll write up what the side effects were like.

I'll get going on the dream interpretations too.

[hashpuppet]

I haven't really been into OBE's long. But I like to philosophize and here's an idea I just had. I don't know why but I feel like I shouldn't be writing this. I'm suddenly picking up negative energy.
First off, when you read that book, do you remember what it is about. The fact that the guy read the whole thing backwards to you seems like it was a means of making you forget everything youve read.
What you need to understand about the astral plane is that it basically has every object that has ever existed in anyone's memory. Some objects were obviously destroyed in the past due to the extreme power and knowledge they had that could have had unpleaseant circumstances. The astral plane has every book in it that has ever been written, some books contain knowledge that noone should have and it sounds like the book you read was not meant to be read.

[hashpuppet]

I don't know why but this idea scares the excrement out of me.

[terrance]

Hi Hashpuppet,

Sorry to take sooo long to reply to you - been away from the site for a few days.

I'm interested in why you've got negative vibes about writing your post.

I think your probably right about all information being available in the astral.  I'm not sure who or what this thing was.  And yes it sure did come back to suck some info back from me.

As I've mentioned before in this thread, this was a positive experience for me.  It caused me to become very interested in astral travel and had no longterm negative effects.  In the short term I was scared - yet I see this as a device used against me by the being to prevent me from coming back for a second look... sort of a slap on the hand.

I only have a memory of a memory of shapes and diagrams within the book - one day I may try and put these to paper, however, once bitten....

kind regards
t

[wisp]

Ok terrance, my "jump" experience:
About another diminision perhaps. There seems to be no beginning or end, therefore a continuum.The only way to measure the year after the grand celestial exposure is by way of the body/ energy use connection. Really I've retained the other place but it is more in a balanced sense.For a year I was in a transition I believe. The beginning of the year began with not understanding some things. The sun seemed to be filtered with a dark veil. This was a right/left brain thing. Left side bright and sunny, right side shaded with this veil.This caused a slight odd appearance in my overall vision. A sense of impending doom loomed at times. The sounds of planes I could hear through low clouds in the sky(vibrational activity I understand now).Other people seemed a little distant in a way hard to discribe. Their perception of me seemed not to be what I saw of them. They thought I was dieing but kept their thoughts to themselves. I sensed something orb-like was coming(more vibrational stuff I don't yet understand fully). The orb was a crystal ball I envisoned in the air, but not in my immediate sight. Some people were more colored in their fleshtones, others were very pale. People for the most part seemed robotic in their actions. I found it hard to take anyone seriously, they seemed to be just playing a role. Many times these actors seemed like the walking dead to me. They really didn't seem to connect to me or anyone else for that matter. Everyone lived in their own world as me in mine. Sometimes it was as if things were happening in slow motion though regular movement was occuring. Somethings would manifest to me but not seen by others. I learned quickly about this, haha. For instance a woman I know was sitting accross a room from me, her eyes were red and she looked as if she was silently crying. I asked why she was so sad. She spoke up saying she wasn't, no longer did I see her reddened eyes. I began to see synchronocity but didn't understand it at that time.
It was as if I had arrived at a new understanding about the world I live in. Things that once mattered didn't anymore. This new way of seeing was sad but yet it had an appeal I learned to accept. I maneuvered through life in a new carefree way. I let my natural energy propel me. It was as if nothing can go wrong. I began to appreciate humor more, for this was a rather humorous situation I was in. I bagan to figure I was between a life and death situation. This of course being what life is about. I knew I had to reestablish the correct level of physical orientation, but I functioned just fine in this state as well.But, in this state I was a bit aloof, and was more or less an observer in my world than a participate. It was like being half in and half out of my body.
Most people were afraid of me before I regained my ability to appear alive. Before I looked like death walking, I was diagnosed as terminal(I gathered myself together at this point,a reality check I guess). People were more receptive once I looked alive again. I didn't feel as isolated,however I was the same person. I gained a keen understanding of people from this. I think the main thing I learned was, don't judge a book by it's cover. What someone looks on the outside is different to what they look like on the inside. I hesitate to go on with the perceptions I received on this subject.It would not be fair and can easily be taken out of context in the realm in which we live. I learned to see the unseen, and hear the things I need to hear. I guess I began to see the world and the things in it in realistic way. Before I always wore rose colored glasses, not anymore.I survived the experience and I'm better for it. The world is not what it seems, I'm better for it. []

[terrance]

When I first read this I didn't know what to think, and in many ways it's still not easy to comment on all the details in your episode because much of it seems alien.  On reflection, however, there are parts I can comment on... I hope I'm not a million miles away with the thoughts that follow.

One response of course, is to say that you were just sick in some way.  This caused your energy resources to be consumed at a vastly increased rate so that body could fight the illness.  However, I don't believe this to be the case and I think you would have realised tis if it was.

I remember from a previous post of yours (in another thread) that this episode began very suddenly - you were suddenly split between the here and 'there'.  The first thought was that your energy body suddenly opened up all its energy centres and kept them open.  This would explain you different perception on the world.  If my knowledge is correct this would also cause a drain on the physical body - this was either stated in NEW or in another post here about NEW.

You said that there was a veil over most things.  I'm not sure on the left/right brain explanation.  As a kid I used to like playing with binoculars - one of the things I used to do was to look through one bit with one eye and look at my target in the usual way with the other eye - like using a telescope with both eyes open.  I would then have to images sitting over the top of each other, one more detailed than the other.  My gut feeling is that you had the same thing but with your normal eyes and with your 3rd eye.

The Orb is quite odd, and so was your perception of people.  As you know, a lot of what we see that is not of this world is often translated into our brains as weird symbolism.  Any thoughts on what the orb might be - or might mean.  To me an orb symbolises the request for a link to be established by way of a cord from the crown - as per my orb experience some months ago (not the George orb).  My understanding is that this would be a positive thing to take place and nothing to do with Negs and the like.

I see now why you have a great interest in synchronocity, with things happening like the time with the lady and her sad eyes.

I suspect what I write next is off the mark but it's the strongest impression I have at the moment with the detail that you've given:
You wondered about in a robotic life with rosey shades on.  You had had many mystical experiences through the course of your life (curtains, trees, archetypes, messages etc.) but these hadn't significantly altered your path - in essence you was not prepared for what was about to happen.  And then it did happen - this jump - what ever it was (I feel the orb is significant here).  Your body (either physical, energy, astral - or all) rejected this change.  Reality check. You then adapted.  Things are less robotic, less rosey and far more amusing.

Sorry about the last paragraph but you know I like to rant when I think I'm being clever:)

Anyway that's my brain fried on the subject for now.  On the positive side the whole experience seems to have been positive and life changing.  You've certainly taught me a thing or two about synchrony and harmony!

Take care
t

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Wow Terrance, I'm impressed with your take on this. Your explanation is closer to any other thing it could have been.I've been trying to understand what had happened here for a long time.I believe some of your ideas will lead me to understanding more, thank you.[]

Before this all occured I did have a strange and somewhat unexplained illness. Since the beginning of the same summer I found myself extremely intolerate of the heat. This was very unusual for me. The heat problem got to me so bad after a while I found myself bedfast. One day I had an obe (I didn't know what an obe was then). I was looking at my body in the bed. I thought this experience meant I was dieing.I prayed for God to heal me of whatever this illness was.There was a white light that came into my abdomen. Somehow I knew I was going to be alright. For a few days I tried taking care of myself but I wasn't doing a very good job. I never even took my temperature (I may have had a fever all this time). Finally it dawned on me that I may need medical attention (duh!). I went into this dr. who had blood work done on me. He said my white blood count was very high and he wanted the test done again. He thought I may have some kind of abdominal infection.The test was repeated but this time the blood work came back normal. A few days later I was getting sicker and I ended up in the hospital.I was found to have a partial intestinal obstruction. They found that I had had a recent stomach ulcer as well. Anyway the problem corrected itself spontaneously and I came home from the hospital. I was suppose to be taking it easy.I was home from the hospital only for a day when this episode occured.
I changed drs. and had more tests done.There was no indication I had had anything wrong with me at all. I didn't want any more blood tests and just went home to deal with this situation on my own. I felt like this problem could not be dealt with in traditional medical ways. I did go back to the second dr. again so he could see my improvement a couple  weeks later. He was the one who saw me when I was looking my worst. I  didn't want him to think I didn't appreciate the care he tried to give me. He was astounded at the difference in me. He thought I had some psychological condition(because I improved?), I felt he was wrong about the psychological part. I think it was a matter again of the traditional medical world not being able to treat all  problems. Some problems are up to the individual alone to deal with. Now that I've been learning about energy,chakras etc. I see that I was having a problem in this area. Back then I didn't know anything about alternative treatment methods.I still don't know a whole lot but I at least know more than I did before. Thanks again Terrance for helping me out with some possible answers on this one.

The shading of my vision I can explain a little bit more. If I would cover one eye, the other eye's visual field was half light (looking at sunshine outside) the other half was shadowy dark. The same thing was with the other eye.

Whether this all was a positive or negative experience I would have to say both.

Interesting that you mentioned the rejection part. When I was having my great vision at one point I was in this oval shaped space, seemed like being in a golden flaming aura (I could not have described it like that back then). I was not at all prepared for what was happening to me. I had a sense of all knowing and I thought I was about to take a one way trip somewhere. Due to my lack of knowledge of what was going on I did in fact mentally reject it.That's when this lighted encasement I was in ended. I felt like I had to make a quick decision on this. I could have "gone with it" but I was too afraid it would have been the wrong choice. I guess I panicked.

Thanks, I'm glad I can attempt a verbal description of synchronicity with success. It's a concept hard to put in words. []

[RandomName]

I have mentioned this in the newer topics, but what the hell!

I have come across what I beleived was a phantom in my dreams which is a glowing hot pink humanoid with a horrifying grin. I get shivers thinking about this creature. I am afraid of its looks but I do accept it. I later managed to work the courage to speak with this being and i found it was actually HELPING me in these situations. :-/

[terrance]

Thought I'd share this one with you all.  It''s one of my OBEs that is a defining moment for me - it opened my mind to the possibilities of the astral - before hand I'd only considered what's named as the Real Time Zone.

I was in my flat sleeping on the sofa in the lounge with the light off late one night.  I think I probably had been meditating prior to falling asleep - I was most nights.
I became aware in a corridor.  It was lit dimly and the place was ornate - what you'd expect to find in a really old university.  There were other doors, dark recesses and the place had the feel of OLD. Anyway, as I became aware I found myself trying to open a door but it was locked.  Suddenly I heard footsteps so I darted around a corner and someone (or something) came into the corridor from the locked door.  I was hiding and heard him pass by.  As soon as it felt safe I got up and made my way to the door again - it was still closing as if it had a slow spring.  I sneaked in and knew I shouldn't be where I was.  It was an old library full of old things including lots of books.  I was completely aware and thoroughly enjoying the freedom and bizarreness of it all.  In the centre on the hall there was a stand.  I was drawn to this.  I found an old and biggish book and began to leaf through it.  I could read what was written in this book - the language that I was reading was strange (I was reading it out).  Then there was a bit of a blur and I came to the end of the book - i think the blur was me reading and digesting the book in an uncertain period of time.  I then spiralled up and away, leaving this place far away.

Plop - and then I woke up.  I was a little paralysed but this began to wear off quick.  I was just about to get up and turn the lights on (the only light was a warm glow through the curtains from the street lamps outside) when I felt something enter the room.  I can't put into words the complete fear I felt - I had the impression that a large, dark and cloaked figure was crouched behind me on the other side of the room (I was laying on my side facing the back of the sofa).  I was so terrified I dare not move, blink and hardly breath.  The thing/person then began to do something strange - it began to leaf through the pages of a book and I think it repeated everything I'd said in the astral, only backwards.  Similar to what happened in the astral it started at a normal speed, blitzed through the rest and slowed down for the last few words.  At the time it was even stranger because half of me was saying "you've got a homicidal burglar in the room."

Silence.  I began to ease up as it seemed to have left.  I was just getting up onto my elbow when I was struck with terror again.  The bloody thing shuffled close to me and I felt it's face next to the back of my head. It then whispered harshly, as a threat "You F**ker."

I nearly died on the spot, i swear.  The unnatural, intense fear disappeared (leaving only the normal brown-pants human fear) and I got up and turned the lights on.

After the event I didn't sleep with the light on for weeks.  I couldn't believe I was followed back to the physical.  Luckily some friends (heavy into pagan magic) told me to use protections around the property and around me.  I also went to the trouble of sprinkling salt and water everywhere and telling nasties to bug-off.

I my utter surprise my now fiancé gave me a book - i think it was called 'soul travel' and this is what made the whole experience a defining moment.  For the first time I saw my experiences explained in a book - other people were up to the same sorts of things.

I hoped you enjoyed this because I didn't  However, there's not a lot that scares me anymore because of it.