How to go about attaining more spirtitual OBE's?

[Astral316]

I've been having projections for about a year now. The bulk of them have consisted of me flying around my backyard, outerspace (briefly), other known places, and some unknown places. I've had many experiences ranging from fun to interesting to creepy... but they are all pretty ordinary in that they lack any spiritual significance.

I want to discuss metaphysics with the gray aliens! I want to be taken for flying saucer rides to advanced civilizations! I want to be taught philosophy by a buddhist monk at the top of a tibetan mountain! I want to learn lessons about the foundation of our reality!

I mean last night I woke up at 4 am, meditated a bit, fell asleep and projected... ya know what I did during the projection? I trudged through the marsh near a brook behind my house, hoping to get to the other side before the OBE ended... I didn't make it. My point is I think I'm ready for some more enlightening experiences but I'm not sure how to go about it... more meditation? A certain technique or affirmation? If anyone was in a similar rut and got out of it to have more fulfilling projections I'd appreciate knowing what you did. Thanks.

[kurtykurt42]

I want to discuss metaphysics with the gray aliens! I want to be taken for flying saucer rides to advanced civilizations! I want to be taught philosophy by a buddhist monk at the top of a tibetan mountain! I want to learn lessons about the foundation of our reality!

If you want to discuss metaphysics with these guys then you first have to discuss it with people here. The Grays explained to me that they don't like people from 'less advanced' worlds such as earth coming to their planets (interdimensionally or otherwise) and asking them questions. He emphasized first that you must explore your abilities with the people from your own world until you are 'ready' to visit them.

[Stookie]

I want to discuss metaphysics with the gray aliens! I want to be taken for flying saucer rides to advanced civilizations! I want to be taught philosophy by a buddhist monk at the top of a tibetan mountain! I want to learn lessons about the foundation of our reality!

The most "spiritual" experiences I've had that were life changing were nothing like those things. They were experiences of my "self", what I really am, and how I relate to the world. They are very "inner" experiences. It has nothing to do with where I go or what I see, but what I am. As to how I came to these experiences, I don't really know. I guess I asked for it. A lot came through simple meditation before I learned phasing, but the process of phasing seemed to help bring it out even more.

Edit: I guess I should also add that before the internet I followed Rudolf Steiner's methods of developing "spiritual sight" or clairvoyance. He rarely mentioned "leaving the body". To him it was more of a natural side-effect during the process of developing clairvoyance.

[Astral316]

Kurtykurt42... hmm, interesting, thanks for the input. Out of curiosity, have you visited the grays' planet yet?

Stookie... thanks for the response. The situations I described aren't necessarily what I'm looking for (though I'd love to project to the mountains)... I just want to have obes that I can learn from... not just wake up and go "oh that was fun" or "gee, that was interesting" or "okay that was pretty creepy."

[kurtykurt42]

They all come from different worlds and from what I can tell they usually don't take humans there.

[omcasey]

Astral316,

What really helps me, is the mindset that I am not so much projecting (myself) but rather BEING projected.  Have you ever felt a presence there with you when out of body?  Maybe feel for a presence, the one's whose higher energies are what is resulting in the projection.. (just a suggestion).

btw,
I about peed my pants when reading the sentence following "and you know what I did", hahahahahaha..
(such a stitch how funny the truth is -right next to you there)

[kurtykurt42]

It was explained to me that the energy that we tap into when doing energy body development is not 'ours' to keep. It is borrowed for a small period of time and then returned to where it came from. Usually a beam of light or a large sphere of energy such as in the case with stars or the center of galaxies.

[personalreality]

It's interesting that you post this topic.  I posted a similar question the other day. 

I've been projecting for less than a month now.  I've had about 8 successful projections.  I know I'm not "experienced" by any means, but what has been happening in my projections is very much like what you describe.  I get out of my body, sometimes I'm in my apartment, sometimes I'm not.  Even when I am it never really looks like my apartment, the lighting is always weird and things are moved around.  Though the lighting is more my style than it is in waking consciousness.  But the projection always consists of me just flying around that general area, never really accomplishing much, never talking to anyone, never meeting any other beings, just me, messing about. 

The post that I made was asking more experienced projectors how long it took before they had the kind of control that allowed them to go to other places, the astral planes, other planets, to visit other people.  I am with you in that I want to learn great spiritual truths.  That is one of the reasons that I wanted to learn to AP.  But, I think more importantly to me is just the exploration aspect.  My numerology breakdown labels me as someone who has an urge to travel and explore, to understand why and how things happen, I want to go everywhere and experience everything.  I suppose I'm either clever or on the "more evolved" side of that spectrum because I figured "hey, if it's not really feasible for me to travel the world or to visit other worlds in the physical, why not AP?" 

Still, I wouldn't say I'm dissapointed with my projections (certainly not), but I've been working at this so hard for so long that I'm impatient. 

[kurtykurt42]

I don't know much about numerology but I certainly have the urge to travel and explore the universe.

If you were really clever then you'd be able to build a ship! 

As for your original question, I have been practicing daily for almost 5 years now. With the help of the assistive technology I have been developing I am able to project into any of the spiritual reams or density levels within about 15-30 minutes. I can then stay out for about 30 minutes but have been able to stay out for an hour.

[Astral316]

omcasey... glad I could get a laugh from ya. Yeah, I rarely ever feel a presence or "higher self/power" when projecting. I've asked for my spirit guide a couple times but get no response. 

personalreality... wow man, 8 projections in a month for a beginner is serious progress no matter how ya look at it. When I first started I had maybe one good projection a week. But yeah one of my biggest desires is just to converse with other entities. I rarely ever come into contact with other beings and when I do they're usually just my immediate family... they never have anything interesting to say in the astral (or irl for that matter.) I recieved a "warning" from a librarian once early on in my experiences, and another time briefly conversed with these gnome-like negs before they attacked me... that's about it. I'm looking for some thought-provoking dialogue from a genuine entity.

kurtykurt42... I'd kill for a straight half hour in the astral. You don't need me to tell you that's extremely impressive.... then again meditating daily for five years I can't be too surprised. Perhaps consistency is the key.

[Xanth]

"More spiritual OBE's"?

Your outcomes can be as spiritual as you choose them to be.
If you want more spiritual OBE's... first define what you mean by "more spiritual", then proceed accordingly.

It's all up to you.

[Valkry]

I'm having the same issues because my teleportation skills are atrocious.

Unfortunately I've been unable to leave my very ROOM for the past week now because there are malevolent creatures waiting outside my door and attack me at every chance. I try to go out the wall but they follow. This is really becoming an issue now. I need to learn to teleport to get away from them, and fast.

Plus, teleporting will lead to a lot more meaningful experiences.

I want to go the Akashic Records for one thing, though I suspect I've been there before (a room with a projector in an extravagant stone building - this was before I knew what Akashic record were though so I didn't capitalize on it).

And I'd like to visit higher dimensions.

*sigh* I really need to learn to teleport. 

[kurtykurt42]

What do these entities look like?

[Valkry]

They are all humanoid. I've never seen one that wasn't. I've seen only two female entities (one older looking witch woman and a younger woman with white hair) and many males (some of them just look human-like with slight differences, others like archetypal demons). They either speak English in thick accents or speak different language altogether. They are a bit taller than me, though most nights I can't see well as its dark in the house when I project - however I sometimes receive vivid visions of what they look like when I am accosted. Their touch is freezing cold and they are "physically" very very strong. I cannot get away from them when they attack without resorting to going back to my body.

[Astral316]

They are all humanoid. I've never seen one that wasn't. I've seen only two female entities (one older looking witch woman and a younger woman with white hair) and many males (some of them just look human-like with slight differences, others like archetypal demons). They either speak English in thick accents or speak different language altogether. They are a bit taller than me, though most nights I can't see well as its dark in the house when I project - however I sometimes receive vivid visions of what they look like when I am accosted. Their touch is freezing cold and they are "physically" very very strong. I cannot get away from them when they attack without resorting to going back to my body.

Wow, that's horrifying. Have you tried the "send unconditional love" method? I'm not well-versed in experiencing negs or how to overcome them but that seems to be a common solution to that type of situation.

[Valkry]

Wow, that's horrifying. Have you tried the "send unconditional love" method? I'm not well-versed in experiencing negs or how to overcome them but that seems to be a common solution to that type of situation.

Yep, tried that. I tried loving them and sending them love. They find this hilarious for some reason, it just makes them laugh. I've also tried fighting them, but they're strong. Tried banishment rituals, but they just come back.

I don't want to negotiate with them, but I'm running out of options. Maybe communication with them is the key. I just don't want them gaining any more control.

They always impede me when I try to teleport places. Just last night, I asked to go to the Akashic Records building. I was brought to this creepy room with a projector. I thought... not what I expected, but I'll give it a shot. As I watched I was shown images of blood, guts, people being mutilated, people being slaughtered in the most horrible ways imaginable, pain and suffering of the utmost calibre. They probably thought it was funny. Haha, funny guys. NOT. 

[Xanth]

Yep, tried that. I tried loving them and sending them love. They find this hilarious for some reason, it just makes them laugh. I've also tried fighting them, but they're strong. Tried banishment rituals, but they just come back.

I don't want to negotiate with them, but I'm running out of options. Maybe communication with them is the key. I just don't want them gaining any more control.

They always impede me when I try to teleport places. Just last night, I asked to go to the Akashic Records building. I was brought to this creepy room with a projector. I thought... not what I expected, but I'll give it a shot. As I watched I was shown images of blood, guts, people being mutilated, people being slaughtered in the most horrible ways imaginable, pain and suffering of the utmost calibre. They probably thought it was funny. Haha, funny guys. NOT. 

Actually, that could have very well been your "Akashic Records Connection".
You're not neccessarily going to be shown things that are happy... you might not even be shown things you ask for.
As for these "entities"... you're giving them power by allowing them to find it "hilarious".
They're a part of you, act like they are.

[Valkry]

Hmm.. I hope you're right about that being my Akashic Records connection. That's what I thought at first too.  The only reason I'd doubt it is because afterward while I was there I encountered by one of the creatures, however I was not attacked this time.

They may be a part of me, but why should I accept that they are? Shouldn't I focus on trying to remove them from my aura? Also, how can I help that they find it hilarious? 

[Xanth]

One theory would be that since they're apart of you.. then they ARE a part of you.
There's no point in rejecting that, otherwise you're just rejecting yourself.

There's truth in "Love thyself".  You have to accept yourself *as a whole*, not just the parts you agree with, lest you be at war with yourself forever.

[kurtykurt42]

One theory would be that since they're apart of you.. then they ARE a part of you.
There's no point in rejecting that, otherwise you're just rejecting yourself.

And another theory would be that they are not apart of you... then they ARE NOT a part of you.

Rejecting them may be the only way to get rid of them. Calling upon the ascended masters and angels from the heavens to assist you in destroying them may be the only way to get rid of them for good.

But hey... Listen to Xanth if you want and be their friends, I know I sure wouldn't! 

[Xanth]

Yup!
Hence why I called it a theory.

There are several.

Personally, I think she's dealing with my theory.  But meh, it's up to her to figure it out and deal with it. 

[Astral316]

Yup!
Hence why I called it a theory.

There are several.

Personally, I think she's dealing with my theory.  But meh, it's up to her to figure it out and deal with it. 

I don't know... sounds like if she already tried to show them love/acceptance than according to you she'd be showing herself love/acceptance and all would end well. That doesn't seem to be the case.

[kurtykurt42]

Yup!
Hence why I called it a theory.

There are several.

Personally, I think she's dealing with my theory.  But meh, it's up to her to figure it out and deal with it. 

I don't know about you but I can only see these two theories.

Either they're friendly and there to help or they are not friendly and there to cause harm. By what she has been describing for the past couple of weeks I would have to go with door number two.

[Xanth]

Not if they're a reflection of something within which she hasn't accepted about herself.
But meh... as I said, my theory. 

[personalreality]

Valkry,

I said this to you once already, that I think you're attracting all this madness.

I'm getting on the Xanth train and saying that you need to confront your Shadow Self.  There's a good book out there called "Healing the Shadow" by Ross Bishop that could be helpful.  But there's this book by a student of Carl Jung's whose name escapes me, but it's a small book and it's got the "Shadow Self" somewhere in the title I think.

The Shadow Self is the part of ourselves that contains all the emotional wounds that we've gained in this lifetime (and in others perhaps).  The worlds we see are colored by the influence of the shadow.  It projects itself onto the people and things around us and is reflected back as those qualities that we just can't stand.  It turns out that we can't stand it because it's who we are at our core.  If you have someone in your life and they have a particular characteristic that makes you want to hate them, it's not them that's the problem, its that you have that characteristic and they have been brought to your life to show you whats inside you.

And I'm not saying that there aren't malevolent beings in the existence, but I personally think most of the "baddies" people encounter is a manifestation of their own dark side.  Perhaps 1% actually turns out to be an independently conscious being who has it in for you.  I think you're doing all this tormenting to yourself at a level you can't find.  I think you should try some shamanic healing.  Take a spirit quest.  Find the little girl inside you and make her feel safe.

Of course, this is all just what I think.  And some people tell me I think to much.  And worse yet, I subsequently talk too much.  So take it with a grain of salt.  But taste that one grain and see if it's really salt.  Maybe it's just what you need to tip the balance and make your "life entree" taste great.