Galantamine experiment

[lee46]

After a week I tried to do the experiment again and here's last night's experience:


I finally got the Choline 250 mixed with Inositol 250 (that's the only choline I found), so I woke up at 3am to take it with the galantamine and I went back to sleep.

I have mentioned that I'm a deep sleeper and this time my mind was on all night long, I kept thinking to myself "don't fall into a dream", but I did, I just couldn't help it. This time the difference from a regular dream was that it felt like a "daydream" I guess I would go lucid at times and then just back to unconscious.

Normally I have at least 2 different dreams that I can remember, last night it was the same dream the whole night, the fun part of it is that I was flying with some sort of device and there were creatures in my backyard that could turn into humans or the other way around, I figured out that those men had some sort of powers (by the way the device I was using to fly it was theirs), after a while of playing with it, I ended up in the boarder of India, swiming with some pretty weird animals/creatures until a girl came up in a friendly way and suddenly she was drawning me and said that they were going to arrest me. The drawning felt "real", has that ever happened to you?
Anyway, got off of it and ended up in Israel, I don't even know how, I've never been there neither to India, they didn't try to arrest me so I stayed there and so the dream went on.
Something I found quite amussing and funny is that in my dream I was talking to this guy in english and then he started to speak in spanish to me and I was impressed by that, then met another guy that didn't speak spanish at all, so I was switching from spanish to english all the way through (that seems quite reasonable since that's what I do everyday, I'm an english teacher , but I have never seen it like that in a dream, on and off, lol)

I'm quitting on galantamine for a long time because it didn't make much difference, I took it last week and nothing happened as well as this week, I got some new sensations in the morning, but I know I could've had achieved those just by usual practice (the same way I've gotten all the new experiences since I started practicing) . I guess it works better for those who have experienced an OBE just to get it faster, but as a beginner I guess I need to get there by my own first before taking galantamine again.

[T.L.]

Uh no I have never drowned in my dreams, but now that you bring it up it will probably happen damn you  My wife works tomorrow but the next two days after that she has off so I'll be trying the Galantamine again. Galantamine is great for projections as long as you can stop yourself from becoming locked up in a lucid dream which is what happened to me the first time I used Galantamine. Although it was quite the experience anyway. You're right though using this is not a replacement for the natural way, however even with years of practice lengthening a obe state to the length the Galantamine does is almost impossible so it is beneficial if used once in a while.

[Fourthdimension]

to be honest when i have been experimenting with valerian and st jhns wort and choline ect the same effects has happened just really weird lucid dreams

21.02.10  hours slept 16 hours (i think its cause i overdosed too much on valerian)

today i dreamed that i was in a dark room and there was a zen monk keep coming out of a bright small door too talk to me. i would ask him something then he would go discuss it with the other zen monks through the door and then come back and tell me the answer the group had concluded.
my sister was with me and made a joke saying "looks like your popular with the zen monks"lol
------lapse in memory or phased out--------
my dream continued back in a house i classed or felt as my own house there was a robbery and i was dressed in millitary uniform and had a type of joy stick i pluged into my head phones to give me access to the security cameras but mine had broke so i asked to lend the woman officers she said hers was new and rubbish i said i dont care anythings better than sweeping this place blind.
then i went to sweep and scout the building.
my dad had been shot in then ankle lying on the gound. the robbers was reading the love letters i sent to samantha (my ex) and the ones i got back from her.
then a monk appeared with the letters from sam as well as if they were important and without words me and the monk had a mutal agreement that i should go and get those robbers.
i went chasing after them and they wee about to leave with the stuff that was stolen.
i had a black flick knife and threatened them with it but they had a gun
i told them to kill me , to kill me now
but a blonde man said "no you dont have to die now, you dont have to die here"
but the other man said "no if he wants to die i ll kill him"
i said  i do have to die now cause if i dont my familly will be ashamed of me for not killing you. they ll think am a coward
the young man took the gun from the other man and passed it to me and said go back now
but i pulled the gun and put it at the other mans head everyone was filled with anticipation and then i pulled the trigger but the barrell was empty so i ran back to m amilly in the opposite direction lmao
i thought the robbers was following me i stopped running and it was one of the robbers who was a girl
she said she was nt going to kill me she said she was sorry. i asked her why she was reading my letters. i felt really attached and pure love for this woman the kida love that makes you feel overwhelmed and wanting to break down in tears. when she went i went back to my familly who was ahshamed  at me

for me this dream is nt the kind i would normally have. i can  understand been dressed in military uniform because am in the parachute regiment but the rest i have no clue
the girl at the end has been in more than 5 of my recent dreams and every time shes there i feel pure love for her the kind that makes me not want to wake from the dream lol


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i  have only ever spoke spanish in my dreams once and i said something like "la violencia en la calle"
but i speak kurdish alot in my dreams i dont speak full kurdish sentences but then again at work i dont speak full kurdish sentences not cause i cant but i kinda speak a combination of kurdish and english cause all the kurdish natives do the same haha

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What techniques do you use lee for ap and how long do you mediate for?

[lee46]

Uh no I have never drowned in my dreams, but now that you bring it up it will probably happen damn you

LOL, sorry about that, I hope it wont happen and that you get a nice ride out of your body

for me this dream is nt the kind i would normally have. i can  understand been dressed in military uniform because am in the parachute regiment but the rest i have no clue
the girl at the end has been in more than 5 of my recent dreams and every time shes there i feel pure love for her the kind that makes me not want to wake from the dream lol

Have you thought of the "lesson dreams", what I mean is the dreams where you kinda learn new lessons, I've had some of those lately, where I can see some of the feelings I hide from myself to not feel guilty about, but in those dreams what I've learned is to recognize those feelings, see how they really are and change them for good, not to hide them and repeat the same mistakes. Perhaps that girl is some sort of guide..? I don't know, I'm just guessing it may be.

i  have only ever spoke spanish in my dreams once and i said something like "la violencia en la calle"
but i speak kurdish alot in my dreams i dont speak full kurdish sentences but then again at work i dont speak full kurdish sentences not cause i cant but i kinda speak a combination of kurdish and english cause all the kurdish natives do the same haha

I guess it depends on what your mind is used to, for example I spet 5 months in germany trying to learn german (it's a shame I couldn't finish learning it) and after I came back I had a few dreams with a couple of german conversations, but that doesn't happen anymore, I have forgotten almost all of it for lack of practice, also at university they made me take french so I just ended up mixing them both and now can't speak none of those, just all messed up hahaha.

Forgive my ignorance, but where is kurdish from? Is it like "scouse" in liverpool? God that is HARD to understand, even just to get a burger at MacDonald's, I had a lot of trouble making my order haha, the first thing that came to my mind was "why do they speak english so weird?!" then a friend told me it was scouse.

What techniques do you use lee for ap and how long do you mediate for?

I meditate for about 30 to 60 min, even though I have improved, it's still a little hard for me to quiet my mind, I'm one of those who constantly think of their job all day and is really annoying! 

About the techniques, well whatever comes to the moment, I start by feeling my body, the slight vibrations you get when going to sleep, I also keep focus on the ringing and then the feelings come, it could be spinning, swinging, also a sensation as if I was floating in water. If I try to use a technique I kind of lose focus and everything goes away. What happened to me 2 nights ago about the third eye sensation, I was just enjoying the feeling, if I tried to use a technique I could feel my muscles get tight and back to the beginning.

How do I move foward to the trance using a technique that wont make me lose focus?

[Fourthdimension]

haha not scouse lee. kurdish is a language spoken by kurdistan which in near iraq turkey and syria.

haha scouse is easy to understand . i am geordie which means i come from newcastle and i have a sort of scottish accent. i was dating a girl from londo for 6 month and every time i would get drunk she could nt understand me because i would end up speaking in my native dialect whilst as i had a scouse friend who understood me perfectly lol

have you heard the geordie accent/
when did you visit liverpool?

i have thought of my deam and i suppose i could interpret it metephorically but i dont wanna put the metaphor here cause its a lot more private than my dream haha

but the girl i been thinking about her and she has been in odd dreams since i was 7. amazing lol
mabye she is my guide lol

to be hnest lee i dont know how you move forward into trance without loosing focus because i never notice been in trance lol

i just lie down and then clear my mind for 5 then start with just hearing myself breath and then start breathing deeply imaginign my self exhale and inhale energy. i then would count down from 10 relaxing muscles and then do some energy work and awareness work then i d count down as below
1 to 10
10-2
2-10
10-3
3-10
10-4

and so on untill you reach 10 and cant continue then id  imagine myself sinking
and by that time i  would be too uncouscious to think of what to do next cause if i thought i would spoil the trance so at this point i would do thinks as i feel appropriate mabye do nothing mabye listen to the ringing ect
lol

sometimes when i imagine falling my muscles tightening and it knocks me out of trance lol

are you living in uk? how long did you live here for?

[lee46]

nice to know something new! hahaha Gee I must've sound really stupid! lol! anyway heh, is your dialect similar to scouse? maybe that's the reason why is easy for you to understand lol, but I remember having trouble just at the beginning I guess I didn't notice it later.

I was there only for 6 weeks taking the university summer program in 2008, I loved it, the program also included a little trip every friday, they took us to wales, southport, manchester, chester and lake district. At the end took a week of vacation in london, it's amazing, I really wish I could live over there.

As for the geordie accent, I think I haven't heard it, I guess the closest to that was our tutor who was scottish, it's not the same is it?


I'll try your method and tell you how it went. Oh, I must make clear (I forgot in the previous post) that the way I can reach 60min of meditation is by using brainwaves, I'm still training my brain to be quiet for that long, you're right though (what you mentioned in the other post about brainwaves) but is helping so far, I just let myself listen to the sounds/music as I start to feel my body, hopefully I'll do that without brainwaves soon.

[Fourthdimension]

I had a little success with valerian and stuff last night

before i start though.......

No you dont sound stupid to be honest there is a lot of people who dofnt know about kurdish and kurdistan no longer exsists on the map because it is divided into 4 countries Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria but kurdistan still has a president or what ever lol and it still has a language but it just does nt have a country or nationallity. if a person lives in kurdistan there nationallity is that of which is section of kurdistan is occupied by. so if you lived in kurdistan taken over by turkey then your turkish by nationallity on your passport.

geordies are nt really like scouser apart from we have a diffrent english accent. we have a very broad accent like socts and we use a lot of diffrent words like
" am gannin yem wore bairn"
am ganinin = am going , yem = home (yem is a word that exists in norway that means home so that word must have been added to our vocabulary when the vikings invaded) and bairn = means baby but depending on sentecnce it can also mean son brother or sister or daughter or simply someone thats younger than you
i ll post you a link so you can read about them lol
and nah scottish is nt really the same as geordie lol

yeah the lake district is gorgeus i teach mountain climbing and rock climbing and skiing there reguarly
lol

ok last night was my day of so i took 2000mg valerian, 2000mg st johns wort, 200 mg 200 htp, 750 choline inistol

i ll state just incase its relevant..... i was awake for about 30 hours. I ate lightly and i ran 5 mile and walked about 5 mile.

when i finally went to sleep for a very odd reason i was nt tired. i tried to mediate but the valerian took effect and made me sleep (i had a very heavy jaw feeling never has happened before)

dream 1: i dreamt i was on a farm and ther was an ill horse the farmer said he was gonna kill it and so he scalped it
(dream has significance to a film i watched called fight club where he shooots him self in the mouth)
(the horse might possibly come into this dream because i have been talking to my friend about horse tranquillezer, (ketamin)

then i woke up i must have slept about 10 hours usally after 10 hours am wide awake but i hink the valerian might still have been effecting me cause i just felt like sleeping again.
firstly i asked my self if i had anythin to do today and then answered no and closed my eyes

this is where a false awaken happened and i would wake up and be in a house but my brother and sisters were there so i know its my mams house and so am dreaming..
although am dreaming i dont realise it much and so lie back down in my dream to sleep.

i dont know if the vibrations take place in my false awakening or if they actually happen in my physical but i end up getting heavy vibrations.

(lucid dream 1)
it feels like pulling magnets apart as i lift my astarl/dream arms from my body with my hands
i then place them over my eyes and force them to peel open my astral/dream eyes. now i can see my dream hands and my real hands and so i decide in order to stop myself from phasing i ll focus on the wall and shift my dream body/awareness to there and so it happened.
then i saw my brothers and sisters again and realised it was just a lucid dream.

after realising it was a lucid dream i went back to my sleeping body in my false awakening and realighned my other dream body with it in an attempt to wake up (that sounds weird)

now i open my eyes tyhen close them again and soon as i do vibrations start again . again am not sure if it is oming to my false awakening or my physical but i end up lucid again

(lucid dream 2 / obe 1)
not sure if this is a lucid dream or a projection

but again i seperate my hands then make them open my eyes then decide in order to stop phasing i ll focus on the cieling and float----------(lapse in memory)

(obe 2 / lucid dreaming 3)

cant rember getting back to body and still nto sure if the vibrations are physical or from my false awakening but i felt my vibrations as soon as i closed my eyes

i was in some sort of corridor with lots of doors (mabye a blcok of highrise flats)
i cant stop my self from moving am been pushed every where.
all i can do is turn my self in one direction and wait to be pshed in that direction.
i decide to hold my hands out as if there was an invisible ball between them and then manifest a cude and it happens but my hand goes through the cube so i focus on making it solid and again it hapopens.

i then see some people but by this time my memory of the lucid/obe is weak and vague. i cant remember if they could see me are not but i do remember there was a young boy and i think a man and woman am not sure but i think they were asian. in the end once past the people i decide to throw cude and it explodes and i wake up

although i was nt sure wether this was a lucid dream or obe. it did have a dreamy feeling to it all.
and that pushing moving i can only describe it by using this metaphor
"imagine a piece of peper put right next to a fan in an air shaft and then suddenly the fan starts and the piece of paper is thrust down the shaft  if it does nt make a slight adjustment in angle it would just hit the wall and so it has to steer its self (metaphorically) though the shaft

thats exactly how i felt.

and i think i had more lucid/obes but i just cant rembeber them but i recall vibrations at least 5 times

see you all later i ll find a link about geordies and post it  for you lee

[lee46]

see you all later i ll find a link about geordies and post it  for you lee

Thanks a lot for that! yeah the sentence you wrote there I would not be able to understand that if I hear it, lol! it's completely different!


It's been a while since I haven't had any lucid dreams, a few weeks I had a couple or 3 about going out of body, I don't know if maybe I was actually in trance and then totally turned it into a lucid dream, I've posted some of my experiences where I think that could've happened to me:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/i_hope_this_is_progress-t30884.0.html;msg250412#msg250412

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/is_this_sleep_paralysis-t30946.0.html;msg251070#msg251070


Yesterday I decided to take a nap and see if I could practice, what happened is that I actually feel asleep deeply (what was supposed to be an hour nap turned into a 4 hour nap!) but I can't complain much, there were funny things going on around that I just couldn't stop laughing, I even caught myself physically laughing so I enjoyed it.

Then last night again with the emotions, but this time it was something sad and again caught myself almost about to cry physically (that's not new, once I woke up with my face all wet for crying so much and I was like "but it was just a dream!") LOL I can get pretty emotive in dreams, if I dream that someone is doing bad things to me, have a fight or something like that, I would wake up with those feelings towards that person, lately I figured out those were the "lesson dreams", but anyway, as you can see I do get conscious sometimes while I sleep, but as quick as I get conscious I lose it and get back in the dream or just unconscious (that's the big deal of being a deep sleeper)

dream 1: i dreamt i was on a farm and ther was an ill horse the farmer said he was gonna kill it and so he scalped it
(dream has significance to a film i watched called fight club where he shooots him self in the mouth)
(the horse might possibly come into this dream because i have been talking to my friend about horse tranquillezer, (ketamin)

That happens to me a lot, almost every time I watch a movie I dream about it or pretty similar to it, but I'm in it.

The two times I've had dreams about separation it feels like a magnet as well, I can't really explain the feeling, like tightening muscles but ten times what your body is used to,  and I can see a lot of sparkles (like in my body) I don't know why.

I think that if I take valerian it would just do worst to me, in my case what I need is the total opposite. I wonder what if I just take choline/inositol 500, I'm going to try that to see if it helps the "deep sleeping" thing because I don't know other ways (naturally) to deal with that.

[Fourthdimension]

  Its ok lee
and yeah your right its completely different lol
your spanish and yet you spell alot bette in english than i do lol.
cause am impatient i just type really fast and sometimes miss a letter or two out haha
i was speaking to some russian person and i would type really fast and once i wrote something like "wal"
and she went looking in her dictionary for it and the next day she said "michael i was up for 2 hours on the net and in dictionaries trying to find the meaning of "wal" and i could nt find it" so i said oh oops i meant wall lol

i ll read them links you said and post in them lee.

haha i overslept like that before i was off work today so was gonna lie in and wake up after 10 hours sleep but i overslept and slept for 16 hours lol oops haha.

awwwwww you cry and laugh in dreams thats cute lol 

i do that alot i loose consious and i gian it then loose it. i found that improving your dream recall improves how long you stay consious for lol

yeah its really good were things from films get in dreams i had some really weird ones.
once i was on a camping trip for a week and we checked into a bunkhouse for 1 night and watched a climbing video and the guy falls and dies in it.
that film happened to make its way to my dreams and i woke up and instead of realising it was from the film i thought oooooooooh that dream might mean something
so all week i was paranoid i was gonna fall and die in the mountains haha
that seemed like the longest mountain trip ever lmao


sometimes i sleep deeply other time lightly

but when i sleep deeply i usally try and say to myself like a mantra before bed i will be come consoius
am a deeper sleeper but sometimes i mediate and get insomnia but when i am a deeper sleeper the valerian actually helps to remember dreams and its cheap. you should try and buy the tincture form though

the only down side is it makes you sleep for ages so only take it on your days off lol

[lee46]

That might be because I started teaching english when I was 18, so I have been studying/practicing grammar a lot since then, I even think that I've got better english grammar than spanish, LOL, that's pretty weird.


Wow! I don't oversleep that much, the only times I remember doing it is when I had a terrible hangover haha!

once i was on a camping trip for a week and we checked into a bunkhouse for 1 night and watched a climbing video and the guy falls and dies in it.
that film happened to make its way to my dreams and i woke up and instead of realising it was from the film i thought oooooooooh that dream might mean something
so all week i was paranoid i was gonna fall and die in the mountains haha
that seemed like the longest mountain trip ever lmao

LMAO!! I know what it feels to be paranoid, it's awful, once I slept with a hockey stick because I watched a movie about gansters  hahaha

but when i sleep deeply i usally try and say to myself like a mantra before bed i will be come consoius

It worked once, somebody started yelling at me WAKE UP!! in my dream several times, lol

I'll have to wait until saturday to try valerian then, I hope I'm not the kind of people who gets nightmares with that stuff!! lol

[Fourthdimension]

lol lee if you get nightmares i ll lend you my teddy bear lol.
i really do have a teddy bear my ex gf gave me him and i cuddle him every night haha

i never get hangovers unless i drink wine.

you slept with a hockey street that would have been uncomfetable.

a few weeks ago me and a mate went camping and there was a wild dog and it was keep barking at us from across the tent
so i slept with a hunting knife incase the dog tried to eat me lmao

[lee46]

hehe thanks!  I got a teddy as well, but is still waiting to be washed 'cause my kitty used it as her "mom" when she was very very little lol

Yeah I saw your pic with your teddy, that's cute!

Sleeping with the hockey stick is uncomfortable like you said, but sleeping with a nife! that's dangerous!! lol!


Last night I took choline/inositol before going to bed, actually even before meditating, didn't make much difference, but I can still take it as a vitamin and that wont harm me.

Here's what happened, I started to meditate sitting on my bed with my back lying on the pillows that were against the wall, so while I was meditating I tried to program myself, one thing was to wake up at 3am (kind of an experiment to see if it would work) and guess what? I did wake up at 3:15am, but to find myself still sitting!! hahaha, I was like "when did I just lose it???" I don't know if it was because it did work or because I was in such position.

I'll try to program myself again, this time I hope I wont fall asleep while meditating, to see if it really works.

[joel1212]

i ordered some of that lucid dreamer stuff and me and a friend are gunna try it out. I'll post my experiences

[lee46]

yeah, that'd be great! have you experienced an obe? We're trying to figure out here how that stuff could be helpful, so if you share your experiences that'd be great to keep the research 

Guys I was also thinking yesterday about the NovaDreamer, you know the lucid dream mask, that it could be also helpful without taking any pills, but every time I look for it on the net there aren't any, I don't even know how much it costs nor if they would make the deliver all the way to Mexico.

Anyway since I paid 30 bucks for the galantamine I'm gonna try it once in a while, not this week though, until next week and keep you updated.

[Fourthdimension]

sorry this is gonna be a quick reply cause am in a rush lol

i ll try and find the nova dreamer site n link u to it and find more info.
i hope u have luck with glanatmine.
i ll write a longer reply tomorrow lol
see ya

[joel1212]

last night i tried one 4mg capsule and the first dream i had, in my dream i was sleeping and having a nightmare. i woke myself up from it in my dream and then had some crazy other dreams. I was having so much fun already, i didnt feel like tryint to LD even though i thought about it. im going to wait a day then take 2 capsules and try and LD / AP
what do u guys think would happen if i took 12mg or more?

[lee46]

It would be best for you to wait about 3 days before trying it again, otherwise it will stop working or may cause some damage, and about the 12mg I think is too much, try not to exceed 8mg. I got better results mixing it with choline/inositol 500, but I still didn't AP just got many more vivid dreams.

Good luck!

[Fourthdimension]

hows things going with this guys. this is gonna sound stupid but i got kinda attached to the stuff i was taking i would try it evey night so for the past few weks i have nt took any but am gonna take some tomorrow to see if it does any good

[lee46]

Yeah remember that the more you use it the less it works, but hey I wish you good luck this time and I hope it works.

Last night I set the alarm to try the galantamine again after 2 weeks, so the alarm went on at 3am I woke up and took the galantamine with the choline, in the morning I could still feel the effect of it, but guess what? I looked and the glass was still with water which seemed strange because I had finished the water at night, so I realized I had just dreamt of taking the pills hahaha, it just felt so real, at least I had something to laugh at this morning, guess I was just too tired to really wake up and about the feeling I had I just figured out it was like a "placebo" effect.

I'm going to try again tonight, I hope to really wake up this time and post an update tomorrow.

[T.L.]

My wife has tomorrow and the next day off. I'm going to do it again, it's been a while. Lately I have been having a ton of Obe's but I'm going to do it this way and to prolong the experience and perhaps get more done.