Life after death?

[astralization]

Hello everyone, I have a short question. After you die, do you reincarnate into a different life or do you go beyond the physical plane. I have heard that some people say you must become enlightened and detached from all attachments in this physical plane to go beyond when you die. Is this true, there is a lot of confusion and I don't know what to think. What are your inputs on this?

[CFTraveler]

Many authors and some religious traditions (as in, Tibetan Buddhism) postulate that "all of the above" happen, and you decide what you want to do.

The short version would be- you live and then die, then you go into the astral regions (afterlife regions) where you look at your life, and then from then on go through some sort of training (in which the life review is a part of) then you decide what you want to do next- if you think you need to, you reincarnate, if you decide to do something else, you either become a facilitator in the astral, or if you have 'advanced' enough, you move on to the next level, until (and this is just a guess) eventually you end up merging with the all.  Most of the religious traditions that believe in heaven or hell are not wrong- they are just levels you go through until all aspect of limitation (that is, 'grades, frequencies, etc.' are limited) is gone- then you're ready for 'the next thing'.

There is a book written by Kurt Leland that describes this pretty well, (called Otherwhere) however it's out of print and very expensive.  He wrote another one that is more 'scholarly' in which he does a comparison between the Tibetan Book of the Dead, the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the NDE database accounts, and some of Swedenborg's information,  and his and others' OBE experiences, and comes up with a very coherent theory on the afterlife.  If you like to read I highly recommend it.  It's called 'The Unanswered Question".
Otherwhere is more 'light' but interesting nonetheless.

This turned out longer than I intended.  My apologies.

[Tiny]

Hello everyone, I have a short question. After you die, do you reincarnate into a different life or do you go beyond the physical plane. I have heard that some people say you must become enlightened and detached from all attachments in this physical plane to go beyond when you die. Is this true, there is a lot of confusion and I don't know what to think. What are your inputs on this?

Dear astralization,

yes it's true.

Over in the astral world people drink, smoke, walk and they have sex.
For some reason, the energy mind magnetizes to the ecstasy of physical pleasure.

Desire (=attachment) is a big problem, many people reincarnate because they have formed material desires in their previous lifetimes and over in the astral they realize they can only satisfie their desires by means of the physical body.

There are basically 3 options for these beings:

1) Go back to the material world and attach self to a person who is living a lifestyle where these desires are lived out. The attached entitity may experience some of what the person feels tho the entity will never be satisfied, the addiction is perpetual. If it likes alcohol, it will cause the alcoholic user it has itself attached to, to become more alcoholic and so on.

2) The entity could wait before a viable body comes available, which it is usually not the case i believe. There are many times more souls trying to incarnate than there are bodies available.

3) The entity could simply let go of it's desires and liberate itself from the material world that way. This is why the old masters suggested that people get rid of their desires during their current life, for they knew over in the astral world, everyone faces the temptation to come back again.

There are many more reasons for reincarnation.
There are communities in the astral who believe that reincarnation is for your own good - to learn and experience and others maintain that you reincarnate not for your own purpose but to help humanity and the earth ascend.

The truth is, none of it is true or real, it is all belief and system.
If one feels like he/she is done with the physical, then so be it and he/she should stay away from astral communities who think otherwise! Let him/her rise above.
Noone is any wiser because they are have a fine life in the astral realm with all those bling bling lights and heavenly cities, puffy clouds and trumpeting angels, in fact it is rather the opposite. The astral physics make possible for delusion of grandeur, completly off the scale compared to the material world.


What I am trying to do and what I suggest everyone should do is to purifie oneself from desire everyday atleast once.

Try to center yourself in the present moment and make yourself a mantra or so and while you're saying it mean it.

You want to be free from all material desire, center yourself in this moment neither in past nor future and not desire to be anywhere else than here and now.
Remember that dislike is also a form of desire.

Ive been planning to make a thread about desires because it's such an important topic.

Most people have no idea just how good and connected to the divine they'll feel when they let go off their desires.


peace

[indian]

The short version would be- you live and then die, then you go into the astral regions (afterlife regions) where you look at your life, and then from then on go through some sort of training (in which the life review is a part of) then you decide what you want to do next- if you think you need to, you reincarnate, if you decide to do something else, you either become a facilitator in the astral, or if you have 'advanced' enough, you move on to the next level, until (and this is just a guess) eventually you end up merging with the all.  Most of the religious traditions that believe in heaven or hell are not wrong- they are just levels you go through until all aspect of limitation (that is, 'grades, frequencies, etc.' are limited) is gone- then you're ready for 'the next thing'.

I don't know if this is coming from your own experience or you are just giving reference from any book.

There is nothing called "Heaven/Hell". If you visit astral, you will see it but that doesnt mean it is made by God. It is just your belief, whatever your belief will be, you will get there. Even Angels and everything.

So, whenever you explore astral, just go there OPEN minded.

And yes.. one important thing. I dont think there is anything called Reincarnation. If you explore things deeply, you will know that nothing reincarnates.

Regards

[CFTraveler]

I don't know if this is coming from your own experience or you are just giving reference from any book.

There is nothing called "Heaven/Hell". If you visit astral, you will see it but that doesnt mean it is made by God. It is just your belief, whatever your belief will be, you will get there. Even Angels and everything.

So, whenever you explore astral, just go there OPEN minded.

And yes.. one important thing. I dont think there is anything called Reincarnation. If you explore things deeply, you will know that nothing reincarnates.

Regards

Dear Indian- most of what I speak about is from my own experience.  And yes, some from books.  I am merely speaking to a person who is asking about how all different religious beliefs go together (or don't) in a system.  I am not expousing any belief over the other.
Heaven and Hell are terms that are familiar to everyone, they are descriptive terms.  I have gone to some very unpleasant astral realms (with a guide) that someone of a religious persuasion might call hell- a fundamentalist christian or a tibetan buddhist may understand the term- and I have also used the term 'heaven' to denote an astral region that is more pleasant, where you may encounter positive entities that help you achieve bliss and the feeling of oneness.
I have also experienced the afterlife process of a loved one when she was going through her life review- and we discussed why her fears and religious belief were creating a negative experience for her.  I later saw her in a more pleasant experience, showing that she had transcended her personal belief and was ready for what was next.  She next showed me what was going to happen, and it did.

So please, before you jump in to attack someone else's account, realize that neither you nor me know what really happens in the afterlife- we can only put together theories that seem to explain what we see-but don't jump in and attack what someone else wrote because you don't agree with it.  Instead, look at the information and see where it correlates and where it is different, and have the open mind to think that there is a universality in some belief systems that point at some sort of truth.

[kurtykurt42]

I have been in the astral plane and while I'm there I can't find other worlds. Look up to the stars and their are none. Only memories and faces of individuals that are from your past and future. Past lives, people you once were for thousands of years on this planet.

I have said it before but I'll say it again. the Astral plane along with all spirtual realms are 'internal' and reside inside of your chakras. You journey into them using your mind in a 'dream' like fashion. Ingo swann and many other gifted projectors have seen other planets and described them in vivid detail. Where are all the planets in the astral plane?

When entering out of your 'mind' and into the that of the galaxy. You will find that you are not ready for what's in store.

[indian]

Dear Indian- most of what I speak about is from my own experience.  And yes, some from books.  I am merely speaking to a person who is asking about how all different religious beliefs go together (or don't) in a system.  I am not expousing any belief over the other.
Heaven and Hell are terms that are familiar to everyone, they are descriptive terms.  I have gone to some very unpleasant astral realms (with a guide) that someone of a religious persuasion might call hell- a fundamentalist christian or a tibetan buddhist may understand the term- and I have also used the term 'heaven' to denote an astral region that is more pleasant, where you may encounter positive entities that help you achieve bliss and the feeling of oneness.
I have also experienced the afterlife process of a loved one when she was going through her life review- and we discussed why her fears and religious belief were creating a negative experience for her.  I later saw her in a more pleasant experience, showing that she had transcended her personal belief and was ready for what was next.  She next showed me what was going to happen, and it did.

So please, before you jump in to attack someone else's account, realize that neither you nor me know what really happens in the afterlife- we can only put together theories that seem to explain what we see-but don't jump in and attack what someone else wrote because you don't agree with it.  Instead, look at the information and see where it correlates and where it is different, and have the open mind to think that there is a universality in some belief systems that point at some sort of truth.

My apologies, I never meant to hurt you. English is not my first language and may be because of that i was unable to express my true feeling. I sincearly apologise if I hurt you in any way.

I deny all the belief system because i think that the thirst of heaven has made this earth hell. It has made us less human.

Regards