Lucid dream to Obe or AP

[sublimy99]

I have lucid dreams quite often, but never was able to AP.

I've heard that there is a way to go from lucid dream to AP
The method that was most common was to fold my arms
(in the lucid dream) and fall back. I have tried that several times.
I always continue to fall for awhile, land, and then I'm still in a lucid dream.
I question myself if I am in a lucid dream or this is now an AP, I always feel
it is not AP and just a continuation of the lucid dream.

Does anybody know any other techniques I could try. If I ever do have an OOBE,
It will probably be through a lucid dream.

[Xanth]

I've been practicing Franks method of converting a Lucid Dream to an Astral Projection.

Try reading this post: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/how_to_turn_lucid_to_obe-t2608.0.html;msg16997#msg16997

What you then do is close off your Thoughts and Emotions... and your current dreamscape (which is being fueled by those thoughts and emotions) will fade away and you'll experience the astral proper.

It's what I'm currently doing.

[CFTraveler]

I just fly up and away, and usually find myself in a starfield.  Then I pick a 'star' and go to it, and find myself in an astral environment.

[Xanth]

I just fly up and away, and usually find myself in a starfield.  Then I pick a 'star' and go to it, and find myself in an astral environment.

CF, thanks for the tip.
Could I ask you to do something quickly?

Could you run through your exact processes of what you do?  Like slow it down a bit and explain exactly what you do?

I ask because I'd like to more fully understand the "conversion" process of Lucid -> Astral a bit better and have more opinions than just Frank to go from.

Thanks!

[CFTraveler]

It's simple really- Once you realize you're dreaming, (and realize you can fly) start flying upwards.  Then get as much speed as you can.  Go so fast everything becomes a blur.  Then you will feel a 'phase shift' and a few things can happen- you slow down and are already in an astral realm, or, you may find yourself in a star field.  Look around you (I believe the star field is the 'astral', or 'the Void'- and the stars are gateways to astral locales- then pick a star and fly to any of them.  Now it doesn't matter how fast or accurate you are, because when you do this you just 'melt/phase' into an astral environment- it's almost instant.
And that's it, that's how I do it.  Not really a 'technique', just go up and fast.

[Xanth]

It's simple really- Once you realize you're dreaming, (and realize you can fly) start flying upwards.  Then get as much speed as you can.  Go so fast everything becomes a blur.  Then you will feel a 'phase shift' and a few things can happen- you slow down and are already in an astral realm, or, you may find yourself in a star field.  Look around you (I believe the star field is the 'astral', or 'the Void'- and the stars are gateways to astral locales- then pick a star and fly to any of them.  Now it doesn't matter how fast or accurate you are, because when you do this you just 'melt/phase' into an astral environment- it's almost instant.
And that's it, that's how I do it.  Not really a 'technique', just go up and fast.

I'll definitely have to bookmark this.

Thanks for clarifying

[sublimy99]

CFtravler: That is great you said that. The lucid dream before last, I did exactly that. First I did it and I don't know why,even though
I was lucid, but I started to feel virations and I woke up, so when I went back to sleep I became lucid again, so I tried shooting
upwards as fast as I could and again I got slight vibrations, so when I got so high and I was going very fast, (as you stated) I stopped and tried to roll out of my body. I kept rolling over and over in place and finally moved out, but I still felt I was in A lucid dream, actually, I wasn't sure, I kept looking at my hands and arms and asking am I lucid dreaming or is this an AP? I decided it was still a lucid dream.

I was walking through a maze of tunnels and as I was about to leave the tunnel, something grabbed me at the back of the neck,
as if It had me by one string and was dangling me in the air, then I woke up. If nothing else I was lucid the whole time and was conscious enough
to remember my lucid goals and techniques.

I would like to know what is the stongest, most tell tale sign you are having an AP, instead of a lucid dream?
It sounds like I'm very, very close. Could the thing that grabbed me by the neck be preventing me?

[Greytraveller]

Sublimy99

This is a method which I am currently trying. Two or three times a day I repeat the following affirmation, "I will recognize an incongruity in my next dream." The idea is that I will see something in a dream that is out of place, recognize that I am dreaming and then become lucid. This is something that has worked for me from time to time in the past. Upon becoming lucid it is then fairly easy to induce an OBE. So far my recent attempts at inducing lucidity have not been successful, but if I stick with it long enough then it should work.

Regards 
Grey

[Xanth]

Sublimy99

This is a method which I am currently trying. Two or three times a day I repeat the following affirmation, "I will recognize an incongruity in my next dream." The idea is that I will see something in a dream that is out of place, recognize that I am dreaming and then become lucid. This is something that has worked for me from time to time in the past. Upon becoming lucid it is then fairly easy to induce an OBE. So far my recent attempts at inducing lucidity have not been successful, but if I stick with it long enough then it should work.

Regards 
Grey

Hey Grey, that's a great affirmation to use... and probably more direct and to the point than the one I'm currently using which is similar of, "I desire assistance to recognize that I am dreaming".
I had some good assistance the other night, though, I'll tell you!  LOL
So my request was answered... but I think changing the affirmation so that I don't require the assistance, but to learn *MYSELF* would be more advantageous.

[sublimy99]

Greytraveller, thanks, but The least of my quest is becoming lucid, not that I have it
mastered, it's just I become lucid fairly easy, every night? No. I also become lucid enough
to think about my lucid goals, the most important being going from lucidity to an AP.

Another lucid goal would be to contact a spirit guide, the last time I tried that an entity also did the same string trick,
but that time I was already floating and the strings were attached at two places, one on each shoulder.

I'm sure I can enter the astral plane through lucid dreams, I know I'm close, so, the proper technique for an AP through lucid dreaming and
100% recognizing an AP, is the key, that, an eliminating whatever is holding me back and it's not me, I'm 100% sure of it!

[Oblivion*]

Hi everyone, I decided to register since I've been reading the forums and the subject of obe and ap for about a year now. On and off I've been trying techniques and had some symptoms, but no obe yet. I think it's because I should try it in the mornings more with 'indirect' methods rather than in evenings and afternoons with direct methods, e.g. try it after waking from sleep or a nap instead of after being awake for a whole day.


Anyway, ontopic: Ive been having loads of (semi-)lucid dreams ever since getting interested in OBE/AP. I havent done anything special other than read about the subject. Its probably caused because of the simple awareness of the phenomenon, it must have caused me to learn to recognize the state and thus, becoming lucid more often.

For who is interested I must add: the chance of becoming lucid at least doubles for me, if I try to go as far into body asleep/ mind awake before really going to sleep (or just meditate, focus on blackness, etc.).

Its practically ALWAYS caused by anything that has to do with gravity: I am either falling down to the ground real fast (its not scary, its a nice feeling actually), or im flying straight up real fast, or im just flying through the sky horizontally. But my problem is, as soon as I get lucid and become aware, I start to focus on my environment (I do this subconsciously) and because of that, it disappears! Then I usually wake up. I must add that I'm not 100% lucid, more like 50% lucid, because I cant think as clear like I can when im awake, and its usually afterwards that I can reflect on what I did, and not during the lucid dream.

So my question is, how can I use a lucid dream to go OBE/AP without waking up as soon as I become semi-lucid.

[WASD]

Oblivion, if you wake up when lucidity increases you first need to learn how to stay lucid before trying to AP from a LD. The best way to do that is to simply stay calm i think.

[sublimy99]

Last night/early morning, I was having a dream and became lucid and as always started to
rise in the air. As I started to rise I remembered what was said in this thread about having
no thoughts and no emotions, to go into an AP. So, I focused on the sky and one star and
rmained calm, no emotions, no thoughts, I was still going up at the time and as I remained focused
no, emotions and no thoughts I began to fall and as I began to fall, I had vibrations and buzzing.
I had remembered this feeling from before. As I was fallng , vibrating and buzzing, I remained calm.
Then I wasn't sure what to do and I had this thought, "You wanted it" and said to myself "I do"
I then found myself in bed with my eyes closed about to fully wake up. I was so dissapointed.

Should I not have had any thoughts at all? Should I have been trying exit techniques, or was I
right just to remain still and wait for the outcome?

Please tell me what to do next. The no thoughts, no emotions works, but it didn't just melt away
the dream veil and reveal the astral. So I really need sound solid advice on what to do if this happens again.

[Velvet V.]

You can try another way. Lie on ground in your lucid dream and fall asleep. Then start to have an OBE. It's a dream, so instead of imagining it, act it out, and it will happen. All those sensations of separating from your body and flying somewhere, act them out. That worked for me, hopefully it will be helpful to you, too. But please be careful, it's easy to extiniguish the dream this way, so if you find yourself in nothingness then try to open your eyes or touch something in darkness to get things to appear. Good luck.

[Psilibus]

Just a thought. If you are in a lucid dream I do not believe you should be feeling any "buzzing or vibration". If you are feeling this I say go with the buzzing and vibration and let that feeling surge and increase in energy/volume. It is from this that projection is most easy, at least in my experience. To project from lucid dreaming is certainly possible. CFTraveler hit that nail on the head with his star comment. I like to go for the moon, seems to do the same thing, I never made it to the moon though, LOL. Its hard to not enjoy lucid dreaming and get lost in that experience though.

[sublimy99]

psilibus, I agree, if you are in a lucid dream, that should mean you are in
the astral, so to speak. I'm just relaying what happened and I have had
the vibrations and buzzing before and although it wasn't as intense as the last two times,
I still recognize them. I did just lay still, but I think I thought too much. I shouldv'e
kept my mind quit and focused on increasing the vibrations. I feel so bad I blew it.
I should let go of the anticipation. I do think it's good that I remember everytime to
focus on my lucid/astral goals during my lucid dreams, infact, it's the first think I of.

I've been wanting this for years now. At first, I thought I just be happy I have such great
lucid dreams, but I'm looking for spirit guides and answers and I don't find them in my lucid dreams.

[Psilibus]

sublimy99
My lucid dreams are a more personal, subjective experience. It seems I am most often alone although I feel there are others near. I has been a very long time since I believed I had attained the astral realms. Too long now to objectify the experiences. For me life had moved on as I approached my mid twenties. Marriage, kids and the pursuit of the "American" dream  . Things have moved on now. I feel I am getting older, maybe wiser. Even while I wasn't pursuing the astral experience I read ferociously of esoteric things, ect. Now it is time to get back to what felt best - direct experience. I too am seeking higher guidance. My "higher" self has never let me down but there must be more. What am I saying, there IS more!
I am glad we all are here to share our experiences. For now we are each others guides. Thank you for being here.

[omcasey]

psilibus,

Just to say, my lucid dreams are HIGHLY vibrational.  Any time I am lucid, conscious and making a transition (any transition, as in taking a step, moving to touch something, any transition) I feel not only myself, but the environment and everything in it as vibration.  Kundalini is involved in my experience, though, so this may make sort of difference.  I dunno.  I haven't figured this out yet.  But because vibration, not 'exit vibration' but vibration itself is a steady, key ingredient in my experience, and to-date not in many others who I hear from I try to step forward with my information.  Purely to aid and assist and continue to keep minds open..

[Psilibus]

omcasey,
I only meant "vibrational" in the initial pre-exit sense. I have NEVER felt these while lucid dreaming. I do "feel" while lucid dreaming but the vibrations I am referring to are very specific to where my mind is, in the experience or in my body.
One example, I was dreaming and brought consciousness up to awareness. I flew for quite some time over hiss and mountains, hooping and hollering. I came to ground and the ecstasy was intense. I wanted to make sure I was grounded in the experience so I stomped my feet on the ground, it felt solid. I reached up and grasped a branch of an enormous fir tree, I felt the needles pull through my hand. I cried out loud at how it all was real and flew up and on for some time after. No vibrations, nothing but me. It is so unique that we all have different interpretations of similar things. Makes you wonder.

[omcasey]

psilibus,

Thanks for sharing this.  I understand most people are not experiencing vibration throughout the length of their experiences.  And that only some people experience 'exit' vibrations.  This is why I am peeping up here, to say that I do.  The vibrations I feel throughout the entirety of the experience(s) I am having are as clear and prominent as what many here refer to as exit, or transition vibrations.  Without exception, to-date, this is true when lucid dreaming, OBEing, APing and Phasing.  I often refer to the core sensation as 'bliss waves' or 'aliveness', and others, like when I touch something as vibration- which I feel quite deeply throughout the entirety of my field.  Very unlike the way I experience myself, and contact with other things in my normal day reality.  It is divine.

So, just sharing....

[Psilibus]

Thank you. I will pay a little closer attention next time. Hopefully this evening  .

[vipassana]

Based on what I read in this post and others, I'm wondering if I might be misinterpreting some OBEs as lucid dreams. I've never had the experience of "rolling" out of my sleeping body and drifting around my house, but I have had plenty of experiences where I become fully awake and conscious while dreaming and take control of the situation. I sometimes interact with others in these situations and sometimes I am alone. The realness of it is amazing. As real as typing in this post right now is as real as my experiences are. I'm thinking, making decisions and feeling emotion just as if it was a real world experience. And when I do wake up in my bed, my body is vibrating/buzzing. To me, an astral projection would be that I separate from my sleeping body and look at myself lying there. That is the goal of what I want to achieve. That being said, I'm going to describe a recurring, what I have been interpreting as, a lucid dream. This is very personal, but what the hell. So for a while now, probably a year or so, I become lucid in situation where a female entity (I don't know if "person" is a suitable term in a nonphysical state) has been trying to have sex with me. Just hear me out here... So anyway, I always turn her down because even in this "state" of consciousness, I am married to the woman I am married to now. Well, a few weeks ago, she tried again and I led her on for a while and then said "no, I would be cheating on my wife" and she got really mad and said something like "you are not cheating when you are here" and then disappeared. So a few nights ago, I found myself in the same situation again. This time I decided to see what would happen if I just did it. I thought to myself that this was all in my head. It seems very real, but my body is asleep in bed, so this can't really mean anything. So I went for it. When I woke up, I immediately felt like I had cheated and betrayed my wife. In that state, I consciously and knowingly chose to do the deed to see what would happen.
So I guess how this relates to this topic is a question...if I am conscious/lucid enough to make these decisions and feel the emotions of what I am doing or did, is this a lucid dream or an actual OBE?               

[CFTraveler]

The way I catalogue it is this way:  They're all projections.

A dream is an astral projection to your mind. 
A lucid dream is an astral projection in which you realize you're dreaming, and if you leave the area you turn it into an 'official' astral projection.
An out of body experience is a projection in which you experience an exit from your body.  The usual space you go to is the etheric, or RTZ.  Ocassionally you go into the 'astral', but usually there is a transitional experience- going through a door, a window, through a wall, and/or into a vortex.  However, this is not a rule.  I have exited in the 'traditional' way and ended up in the astral, so it all depends on what you've been doing lately.
To turn a lucid dream into an ap leave the dream-area, you will see the change in focus/area barriers.
To turn a ld into an etheric projection, think of your body, wait for the vibes, and separate.

[AstralNo0B]

Try just saying out loud that you want to have an OBE.  That's how I did it.

[Tiny]

again - dreams relate to the MENTAL plane, astral projections to the ASTRAL plane. They are different dimensions running on different codes like windows and linux do and every serious traveller should be aware of it.
These can not be simplified into one unless one wants to delude himself.

The mental plane is running on a much finer, "higher" vibrational rate than the astral planes.

The travelling projector as he enters each dimension aquires a body made of the respective matter of the corresponding plane he finds himself on in order to function there.

That is why lucid dreams will always be experienced differently from astral travels.

kind regards,

Paul